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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:55:12 PM EDT
http://wjtv.com/2017/05/25/gun-goes-off-at-health-clinic-after-woman-drops-purse-1-shot-in-leg/
According to Ruth Cummins of the University of Mississippi Medical Center, the incident happened on the 4th floor of the Lakeland Medical Building on Lakeland Drive around 11 a.m. This is one of UMMC’s clinics, officials said.
UMMC police said 59-year-old Debra McQuillen is charged with misdemeanor simple assault negligence and felony carry of a concealed weapon in a non public sensitive area. Cummins said the visitor dropped her purse on the 4th floor at the ENT/Otolaryngology clinic and the gun inside of it went off. A patient was shot in the leg and taken to the hospital. View Quote @Nolocontendere Any thoughts? AG opinion http://www.ago.state.ms.us/releases/attorney-general-issues-opinion-to-clarify-gun-carry/ The following list identifies places which by statute you cannot carry regardless of the type of permit you have:
1. Any place of nuisance defined inSection 95-3-1 whichwouldinclude “any place . . . in or upon which lewdness, assignation or prostitution is conducted, permitted, continued or exists or any other place . . . or upon which a controlled substance as defined in section 41-29-105 . . . is unlawfully used, possessed, sold or delivered and the personal property and contents used in conducting or maintaining any such place for any such purpose. See Miss. Code Ann. Section 95-3-1 (as amended). 2. Any police, sheriff or highway patrol station. 3. Any detention facility, prison or jail View Quote |
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someone is not telling the truth. What was it, a glock? View Quote AG opinion http://www.ago.state.ms.us/releases/attorney-general-issues-opinion-to-clarify-gun-carry/ |
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Which members wife? Tons of dudes here talk about their wife purse carrying.
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I think it was a .22 revolver AG opinion http://www.ago.state.ms.us/releases/attorney-general-issues-opinion-to-clarify-gun-carry/ View Quote |
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Just another case against purse carry. Also make sure your carry gun is drop safe We must always try to learn from others mistakes.
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I could see someone trying a civil case, but if it was secured in a holster I don't see it.
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I'm confused. I read the AG opinion page. I don't see carrying in a hospital to be mentioned there. The quote you put up on it mentions where controlled substance is unlawfully possessed..... unless she had drugs.
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I'm confused. I read the AG opinion page. I don't see carrying in a hospital to be mentioned there. The quote you put up on it mentions where controlled substance is unlawfully possessed..... unless she had drugs. So what are they charging her for? View Quote |
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8. Any juniorcollege, community college, college or university facility.
sounds like they are going to claim any of the property the ummc occupies is no carry, smarter people than me can argue where that line really is. as a juror i would look at the building, does it have classrooms, lecture halls, or housing? is it a building full of clinics and offices for patient care and hospital admin? if its the latter and the offices are run buy the college its no diff than a posted office building. id bet they lower the felony charge and she pleads guilty and gets a fine and loses her permit. |
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8. Any juniorcollege, community college, college or university facility. sounds like they are going to claim any of the property the ummc occupies is no carry, smarter people than me can argue where that line really is. as a juror i would look at the building, does it have classrooms, lecture halls, or housing? is it a building full of clinics and offices for patient care and hospital admin? if its the latter and the offices are run buy the college its no diff than a posted office building. id bet they lower the felony charge and she pleads guilty and gets a fine and loses her permit. View Quote The opinion, written to the City of Corinth, outlines the following places where the Mississippi statutes authorize a person with an enhanced permit to carry regardless of signage posted |
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8. Any juniorcollege, community college, college or university facility. sounds like they are going to claim any of the property the ummc occupies is no carry, smarter people than me can argue where that line really is. as a juror i would look at the building, does it have classrooms, lecture halls, or housing? is it a building full of clinics and offices for patient care and hospital admin? if its the latter and the offices are run buy the college its no diff than a posted office building. id bet they lower the felony charge and she pleads guilty and gets a fine and loses her permit. View Quote UMMC does not want guns on its campus. They put all those dumb signs and being a sensitive place because when we passed our enhanced laws, it opened the campus up to carry. The AG is the only statewide elected democrat in Mississippi and not very gun friendly. So he put out an opinion that based on Heller places could ban firearms if they were sensitive/non public places. What he failed to understand was that state law specifically allowed it and restricts where .gov can ban carry of a firearm. This will be a good test case for a variety of issues we don't have sorted out yet. |
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I'm confused. I read the AG opinion page. I don't see carrying in a hospital to be mentioned there. The quote you put up on it mentions where controlled substance is unlawfully possessed..... unless she had drugs. So what are they charging her for? View Quote Made up BS IMO, the last few places I posted in the OP is where we can't carry. Whore house Police station, federal building Jail |
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Been waiting for a test case. We won't hear anything else about it though, the local news only reprints press releases they have been given; no investigative work.
UMC has posted on every exterior door on every building "YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A NON-PUBLIC AREA" etc. etc. At my enhanced carry class several years ago, a UMMC officer was in the class. This was before all the conflicting opinions came out; the enhanced thing just came out. He said in front of everyone that it didn't matter what the law said; you get caught carrying at UMC you will be arrested. You may get off, but you will be taken in. |
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Been waiting for a test case. We won't hear anything else about it though, the local news only reprints press releases they have been given; no investigative work. UMC has posted on every exterior door on every building "YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A NON-PUBLIC AREA" etc. etc. At my enhanced carry class several years ago, a UMMC officer was in the class. This was before all the conflicting opinions came out; the enhanced thing just came out. He said in front of everyone that it didn't matter what the law said; you get caught carrying at UMC you will be arrested. You may get off, but you will be taken in. View Quote |
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MS is one of the few states with enhanced carry. That means we can carry on educational property. Even if it's posted, as long as she has the enhanced permit all they can do is trespass her. If whatever gun she was carrying was being properly carried and a defect with the gun happened to allow it to discharge when dropped, then she probably will get out of whatever negligent crap they charged her with. UMMC does not want guns on its campus. They put all those dumb signs and being a sensitive place because when we passed our enhanced laws, it opened the campus up to carry. The AG is the only statewide elected democrat in Mississippi and not very gun friendly. So he put out an opinion that based on Heller places could ban firearms if they were sensitive/non public places. What he failed to understand was that state law specifically allowed it and restricts where .gov can ban carry of a firearm. This will be a good test case for a variety of issues we don't have sorted out yet. View Quote |
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I'm curious about the stolen firearm charge. @NoloContendere
It it was stolen and she knew it, then that could be the felony that sticks. "knowingly" being the key word. Other crimes that are committed while in possession are another felony on top of that. Attached File |
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NAA Charter arms 22 derringer have a reputation for firing when dropped? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think it was a .22 revolver AG opinion http://www.ago.state.ms.us/releases/attorney-general-issues-opinion-to-clarify-gun-carry/ |
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I'm more interested if they can get the felony charge to stick. View Quote Should just be chalked up as a unfortunate accident. Happens in hunting situations all the time. The only real gotcha, I think, is whether she had a license and was legal to carry in that location. |
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I'm curious about the stolen firearm charge. @NoloContendere It it was stolen and she knew it, then that could be the felony that sticks. "knowingly" being the key word. Other crimes that are committed while in possession are another felony on top of that. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224641/Capture-217106.JPG View Quote |
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I'm just wondering why the person who got shot........ was taken to the hospital....... when they were already in the hospital......
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Possible it went off if dropped, especially if it wasn't in a holster.
But more likely, it's like most cases of "the gun went off by itself" she was fiddling with the gun. |
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Possible it went off if dropped, especially if it wasn't in a holster. But more likely, it's like most cases of "the gun went off by itself" she was fiddling with the gun. View Quote I really don't like carrying guns in bags that have a bunch of other crap in them. It just seems unwise. |
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Lawsuit incoming against gun manufacturer, purse manufacturer, holster (if any) manufacturer. You name it, everyone's getting sued.
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Just another case against purse carry. Also make sure your carry gun is drop safe We must always try to learn from others mistakes. View Quote |
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Ummc wants to protect their little fiefdom. View Quote This opinion does not affect the rights of property owners or custodians as follows: Private landowners may post signs or otherwise prevent carrying of onto weapons onto their private property. State or local governmental entities may prohibit concealed carry by enhanced permit holders into areas posted with no weapons signage if the place is not one of the 13 enumerated places above. Federal installations and buildings can prohibit the carrying of weapons regardless of these state statutes. The opinion likewise points out that an enhanced permit holder who carries a weapon onto property in a place not listed in the 13 places above in violation of a posted sign could be charged for criminal trespass If it was posted, she might be in big trouble. What do the other applicable laws say? Do they make it a felony in certain circumstances? Is it a wobbler The fact that some one was injured to the point they needed hospitalization might kick it up from a misdemeanor to a felony. |
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If they don't have any sort of drop safety, I'm sure they do, and a cheap ass .22 derringer doesn't strike me as the type of firearm to have any sort of safety. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think it was a .22 revolver AG opinion http://www.ago.state.ms.us/releases/attorney-general-issues-opinion-to-clarify-gun-carry/ |
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MS is one of the few states with enhanced carry. That means we can carry on educational property. Even if it's posted, as long as she has the enhanced permit all they can do is trespass her. If whatever gun she was carrying was being properly carried and a defect with the gun happened to allow it to discharge when dropped, then she probably will get out of whatever negligent crap they charged her with. UMMC does not want guns on its campus. They put all those dumb signs and being a sensitive place because when we passed our enhanced laws, it opened the campus up to carry. The AG is the only statewide elected democrat in Mississippi and not very gun friendly. So he put out an opinion that based on Heller places could ban firearms if they were sensitive/non public places. What he failed to understand was that state law specifically allowed it and restricts where .gov can ban carry of a firearm. This will be a good test case for a variety of issues we don't have sorted out yet. View Quote |
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Not if carried properly. At least mine has a little indent in between each chamber for the hammer to rest. View Quote |
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Except if you read the FULL article, this is in there, too. This opinion does not affect the rights of property owners or custodians as follows: Private landowners may post signs or otherwise prevent carrying of onto weapons onto their private property. State or local governmental entities may prohibit concealed carry by enhanced permit holders into areas posted with no weapons signage if the place is not one of the 13 enumerated places above. Federal installations and buildings can prohibit the carrying of weapons regardless of these state statutes. The opinion likewise points out that an enhanced permit holder who carries a weapon onto property in a place not listed in the 13 places above in violation of a posted sign could be charged for criminal trespass If it was posted, she might be in big trouble. What do the other applicable laws say? Do they make it a felony in certain circumstances? Is it a wobbler The fact that some one was injured to the point they needed hospitalization might kick it up from a misdemeanor to a felony. View Quote |
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I'm just wondering why the person who got shot........ was taken to the hospital....... when they were already in the hospital...... View Quote The incident happened in a building mainly used for ophthalmology. The medical portions, and the ER, are across the street in the center of the main complex. |
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I teach this law. the AG completely ignored case law and misinterpreted Hellers sensitive place language. He did it on purpose to get around what Mississippi laws say. It's not a felony to carry where she was. Especially with an enhanced permit. At MOST it's a misdemeanor trespass. But not a gun crime. View Quote That's why I'm hoping this case can set some of that straight, BS charges! |
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other, earlier thread said gun was reported stolen? and she had it
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