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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:15:31 PM EDT
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Blame the Jeep Cherokee. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:22:41 PM EDT
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The first 1984 Unibody platform. That's what started it all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Blame the Jeep Cherokee. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:43:36 PM EDT
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What's the low range reduction like in that thing? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:57:52 PM EDT
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Nice. 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:37:30 PM EDT
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Out of all of the options in this thread I'd probably pick a Hemi Durango.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:58:17 PM EDT
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Out of all of the options in this thread I'd probably pick a Hemi Durango.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:10:48 PM EDT
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I've been kicking around the idea of picking up a small/mid SUV next year with the intention of being able to tow a pop-up camper. I've got plenty of time to look around and decide... but yeah, it seems the most popular ones are smaller SUVs or crossovers. I kinda like crossovers, but I'd like the towing capacity and a few of the smaller SUV/crossovers I've looked at can only tow about 2000lb. That might not be enough. We'll see, it's not a done deal, I don't NEED one, but one may be nice to have given a hobby I'm getting into, and the aforementioned towing capability. 
Towing Package Equip your Model X with a high strength steel tow bar and removable 2" hitch receiver, capable of towing up to 5,000 pounds on 20" wheels or 3,500 pounds on 22" wheels. Software actively monitors trailers sway and adjusts wheel braking as needed. •Removable 2" hitch receiver •7 pin trailer electronics harness •Tow mode software package P100D Maximum Performance 100 kWh Battery with Performance All-Wheel Drive 289 miles range (EPA) 155 mph top speed 2.9 seconds 0-60 mph 1.4 seconds passing speed, 45-65 mph Ludicrous Speed Upgrade and Smart Air Suspension Included $150,000 with options |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:23:36 PM EDT
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Get a Tesla Model X with the towing package.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/configurator/MODELX_20170427091442/2880/UI/ui_option_mx_tw01_medium.jpg Towing Package Equip your Model X with a high strength steel tow bar and removable 2" hitch receiver, capable of towing up to 5,000 pounds on 20" wheels or 3,500 pounds on 22" wheels. Software actively monitors trailers sway and adjusts wheel braking as needed. •Removable 2" hitch receiver •7 pin trailer electronics harness •Tow mode software package P100D Maximum Performance 100 kWh Battery with Performance All-Wheel Drive 289 miles range (EPA) 155 mph top speed 2.9 seconds 0-60 mph 1.4 seconds passing speed, 45-65 mph Ludicrous Speed Upgrade and Smart Air Suspension Included $150,000 with options |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:57:55 PM EDT
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I think they look more like a dirty homeless bum about ready to get butt fucked by a crackhead. I think that sums it up perfectly. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:59:51 PM EDT
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Somebody here said the front on the new model looks like a digital bass with Down's syndrome. I think that sums it up perfectly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think they look more like a dirty homeless bum about ready to get butt fucked by a crackhead. I think that sums it up perfectly. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:44:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:53:36 PM EDT
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Grand Cherokee. I just picked one up to replace an Xterra. No issues at all with the Xterra, just wanted something more modern. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:54:41 PM EDT
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How far can you get with that towing 5000 Lbs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get a Tesla Model X with the towing package.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/configurator/MODELX_20170427091442/2880/UI/ui_option_mx_tw01_medium.jpg Towing Package Equip your Model X with a high strength steel tow bar and removable 2" hitch receiver, capable of towing up to 5,000 pounds on 20" wheels or 3,500 pounds on 22" wheels. Software actively monitors trailers sway and adjusts wheel braking as needed. •Removable 2" hitch receiver •7 pin trailer electronics harness •Tow mode software package P100D Maximum Performance 100 kWh Battery with Performance All-Wheel Drive 289 miles range (EPA) 155 mph top speed 2.9 seconds 0-60 mph 1.4 seconds passing speed, 45-65 mph Ludicrous Speed Upgrade and Smart Air Suspension Included $150,000 with options 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:00:02 PM EDT
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The highlander was always a "crossover" unibody piece of shit. That's what makes it not a 4Runner. You can thank Obama and the ridiculous fuel efficiency targets that manufacturers are trying to meet. Body on frame SUVs are going to become increasingly rare. But Why aren't they building excursions?? Derp |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:21:04 PM EDT
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The first 1984 Unibody platform. That's what started it all. f  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:32:15 PM EDT
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AWD SUV that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-216717.JPG |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:37:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:46:54 PM EDT
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I can't argue with that. Since 4 door pickups have become so common, if I wanted something more, I'd just buy a truck. I got the tow package on the Explorer, but only because it was just a little more money. I don't actually have plans to use it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that's precisely why most of the old body on frame SUVs are history and crossovers and pickups rule the auto industry. Nobody wants a vehicle that rides like a Conestoga wagon and sucks fuel at under 20 MPG when you're pretty much never going to leave pavement or tow anything. I got the tow package on the Explorer, but only because it was just a little more money. I don't actually have plans to use it. I have no need for a 4WD Brodozer, and don't want to pay that much in gas just to go to WalMart and back. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:15:58 PM EDT
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The crossover is a better option for 99% of people, hence why it dominates.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:51:43 PM EDT
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Replaced a used '05 Xterra S with a brand new '13 Xterra Pro4X in 2014 (I suppose that wasn't a good sign for the Xterra). It's fantastic and gets me everywhere I want to go (often teetering on 2 diagonally opposed wheels). I use the low range and locking rear diff a lot, including to get me up my own driveway in the winter. I will drive it until it dies.
I'm still furious at Nissan for killing it when they have 87 million similarly sized crossovers in their lineup. I can't figure out what differentiates most of them from each other. When the X dies, I suppose I could replace it with a Frontier... but besides the longer wheelbase even on a nearly useless short bed for carrying longer stuff when I have more room with my backseat folded flat, I really just don't want to give Nissan any more of my money. I wish there were options out there besides Jeep and 4Runner. My parents have a 2014 4Runner, and I'm not a fan of how it drives. Plus Toyota tax and all. The Xterra was perfect for size, price, performance, and all around utility, and now it's unavailable. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:30:58 PM EDT
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Soon all SUVs will be crossovers, pickups will be like Ridgelines and vans will be like the little Nissan ones or the doofy looking Fiat/Chrysler FWD fullsize one (Ram Promaster IIRC).
F250-350 type fullsizes might still be available but they will cost $150,000 to offset the CAFE issues. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:36:52 PM EDT
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Out of all of the options in this thread I'd probably pick a Hemi Durango. That is two very capable vehicles if you want to be realistic |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:41:09 PM EDT
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Replaced a used '05 Xterra S with a brand new '13 Xterra Pro4X in 2014 (I suppose that wasn't a good sign for the Xterra). It's fantastic and gets me everywhere I want to go (often teetering on 2 diagonally opposed wheels). I use the low range and locking rear diff a lot, including to get me up my own driveway in the winter. I will drive it until it dies. I'm still furious at Nissan for killing it when they have 87 million similarly sized crossovers in their lineup. I can't figure out what differentiates most of them from each other. When the X dies, I suppose I could replace it with a Frontier... but besides the longer wheelbase even on a nearly useless short bed for carrying longer stuff when I have more room with my backseat folded flat, I really just don't want to give Nissan any more of my money. I wish there were options out there besides Jeep and 4Runner. My parents have a 2014 4Runner, and I'm not a fan of how it drives. Plus Toyota tax and all. The Xterra was perfect for size, price, performance, and all around utility, and now it's unavailable. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:41:40 PM EDT
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Replaced a used '05 Xterra S with a brand new '13 Xterra Pro4X in 2014 (I suppose that wasn't a good sign for the Xterra). It's fantastic and gets me everywhere I want to go (often teetering on 2 diagonally opposed wheels). I use the low range and locking rear diff a lot, including to get me up my own driveway in the winter. I will drive it until it dies. I'm still furious at Nissan for killing it when they have 87 million similarly sized crossovers in their lineup. I can't figure out what differentiates most of them from each other. When the X dies, I suppose I could replace it with a Frontier... but besides the longer wheelbase even on a nearly useless short bed for carrying longer stuff when I have more room with my backseat folded flat, I really just don't want to give Nissan any more of my money. I wish there were options out there besides Jeep and 4Runner. My parents have a 2014 4Runner, and I'm not a fan of how it drives. Plus Toyota tax and all. The Xterra was perfect for size, price, performance, and all around utility, and now it's unavailable. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:43:43 PM EDT
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Damn satellite lag
But still like living in the sticks |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:45:09 PM EDT
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Does it have 4L? Can it get over a rock? If not, it is worthless. Might as well just buy a car. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AWD SUV that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-216717.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:49:19 PM EDT
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4Runner is definitely what you seek.
Body on frame design and built in Japan. Our first was a 2011. Traded it last year on a 2016. Absolutely love it and will always own one as long as they don't turn crossover-ish. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:50:03 PM EDT
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This is why we keep the 99 Explorer running. V8 and AWD and has been put through the wringer but still trucks long. Definitely got my monies worth out of it.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:07:22 PM EDT
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Out of all of the options in this thread I'd probably pick a Hemi Durango. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Out of all of the options in this thread I'd probably pick a Hemi Durango. ....'17 triple black RT. 100% happy with it.....
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:20:57 PM EDT
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I sold my fj after 10 years and got an outback
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:25:14 PM EDT
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Does it have 4L? Can it get over a rock? If not, it is worthless. Might as well just buy a car. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:52:08 PM EDT
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Herp But Why aren't they building excursions?? Derp Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The highlander was always a "crossover" unibody piece of shit. That's what makes it not a 4Runner. You can thank Obama and the ridiculous fuel efficiency targets that manufacturers are trying to meet. Body on frame SUVs are going to become increasingly rare. But Why aren't they building excursions?? Derp
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:10:33 PM EDT
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I sold my fj after 10 years and got an outback Gets me to work 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:23:13 PM EDT
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This is your answer. The Xterra was also the only option in the segment where you could get the top off-road package brand new out the door for ~30k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah. It's more truck than I need. Family is shrinking and I don't need the passenger or cargo room that it provides. But I might have to go there. because everything else is apparently turning into a FUCKING CROSSOVER. SHIT. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 1:45:14 AM EDT
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Rock-climbing is an American niche sport, and probably one of the reasons we don't get some of the more interesting actual off road vehicles here. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 1:55:51 AM EDT
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Yes and yes. Low range switch behind the gear selector. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/IMG-5934-217236.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AWD SUV that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-216717.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/IMG-5934-217236.JPG |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 2:26:22 AM EDT
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Love my new crossover 
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Posted: 5/27/2017 2:27:11 AM EDT
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Get a Tesla Model X with the towing package.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/configurator/MODELX_20170427091442/2880/UI/ui_option_mx_tw01_medium.jpg Towing Package Equip your Model X with a high strength steel tow bar and removable 2" hitch receiver, capable of towing up to 5,000 pounds on 20" wheels or 3,500 pounds on 22" wheels. Software actively monitors trailers sway and adjusts wheel braking as needed. •Removable 2" hitch receiver •7 pin trailer electronics harness •Tow mode software package P100D Maximum Performance 100 kWh Battery with Performance All-Wheel Drive 289 miles range (EPA) 155 mph top speed 2.9 seconds 0-60 mph 1.4 seconds passing speed, 45-65 mph Ludicrous Speed Upgrade and Smart Air Suspension Included $150,000 with options My plan is to keep my Volt for daily driving because it's STOOOOPID cheap to operate, then pick up a used small or small-ish SUV to tow shit with. I'm considering a used Cayenne, possibly a Touareg (since the Cayenne IS a Touareg) or something like a 4Runner... I dunno. It'll probably be a year from now before I pull the trigger. Maybe after I get a decent second vehicle, I'll trade the Volt on something pure electric. We'll see. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 2:49:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:25:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd the scary part about the Aztek is all the new crossovers look an awful lot like that. 
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:32:13 AM EDT
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What is a crossover?
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:37:26 AM EDT
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What is a crossover? Typically: Unibody IFS/IRS Transverse/fwd biased engine arrangement No actual transfer case with low range Very little ground clearance, if it has any its due to gimmicky shit like airbag suspension |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:39:33 AM EDT
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I love the arf.com absolutes.
SUV, if it can't climb up the sheer face of a mountain, it's worthless. Trucks, if they're not diesel powered and they don't have the pulling power of 2 diesel locomotives chained together, they're worthless. Some of you people have cornered the market on ridiculous. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:40:24 AM EDT
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Minivan/station wagon dressed up to look like an SUV. Typically: Unibody IFS/IRS Transverse/fwd biased engine arrangement No actual transfer case with low range Very little ground clearance, if it has any its due to gimmicky shit like airbag suspension Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is a crossover? Typically: Unibody IFS/IRS Transverse/fwd biased engine arrangement No actual transfer case with low range Very little ground clearance, if it has any its due to gimmicky shit like airbag suspension Know what you mean now. Wasn't a phrase I have come across over here yet. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:44:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:45:28 AM EDT
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What is a crossover? Compare a Land Rover Defender series to a Volvo XC90 and there you have it. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:58:07 AM EDT
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The xj wasn't the same platform as the GC. The current GC is a unibody, IFS/IRS, 4" of ground clearance, car. The base model doesn't even have low range, although some models do. It's a pathetic POS like every single jeep these days but the two door wrangler. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:12:39 AM EDT
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I saw a 2017 Yukon XL SLT today. It was purty... Looked just like this. All of the Yukons and Burbs look like hearses. http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/117045607.jpg |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:19:08 AM EDT
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AWD SUV that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-216717.JPG |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:25:03 AM EDT
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Got one of the newer explorers and like it
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