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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:40:53 AM EDT
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Wouldn't this professional hitman actually rob his target, if he wanted to make the murder look like a robbery? Everything I've read says that all of Rich's valuable property was still on his person when police arrived. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't a professional hitman stage it to look like a robbery?  Everything I've read says that all of Rich's valuable property was still on his person when police arrived. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:45:54 AM EDT
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Wouldn't this professional hitman actually rob his target, if he wanted to make the murder look like a robbery? Everything I've read says that all of Rich's valuable property was still on his person when police arrived. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:46:03 AM EDT
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? Wouldn't that be rather unprofessional? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:47:42 AM EDT
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Except the report is its two people, and they beat him up before shooting him..why would 2 robbers beat him at supposed gunpoint and not also take his shot? Obviously they had time to beat him before shooting him..... I'm just pointing out that Cincinnatus is arguing both sides of the story, as he frequently does. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:47:58 AM EDT
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Why would a professional killer, in the employ of Russia, commit a crime of passion? Wouldn't that be rather unprofessional? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? Wouldn't that be rather unprofessional? 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:49:18 AM EDT
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You kidding? It would be the purest form of Maskirovka. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:50:52 AM EDT
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I agree completely. I'm just pointing out that Cincinnatus is arguing both sides of the story, as he frequently does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Except the report is its two people, and they beat him up before shooting him..why would 2 robbers beat him at supposed gunpoint and not also take his shot? Obviously they had time to beat him before shooting him..... I'm just pointing out that Cincinnatus is arguing both sides of the story, as he frequently does. But I have no idea who killed him or why. Nor does anyone here know who killed him, or why. But I tend to think that a hit man would have tried to make it look like a robbery. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:50:59 AM EDT
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:51:50 AM EDT
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Why did the Russians use our hacking software?
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:57:00 AM EDT
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I don't think he was killed by Russians. That makes no sense. But I have no idea who killed him or why. Nor does anyone here know who killed him, or why. But I tend to think that a hit man would have tried to make it look like a robbery. I guess it all depends on what sort of character we're supposing pulled the trigger. Is it an experienced stone-cold assassin, or, was it some guy who would do a deed for a few Benjamins, and then, when the adrenaline hit his bloodstream, put the shooting part before the robbing part? Whichever it was, the valuables being left on the body tell me that robbery was not the prime motive of the crime. Had it been, they would have collected the goods before they ever pulled the trigger. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:12:15 AM EDT
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't a professional hitman stage it to look like a robbery? Everything I've read says that all of Rich's valuable property was still on his person when police arrived. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. That's exactly what they want you to think. 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:16:16 AM EDT
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Wouldn't this professional hitman actually rob his target, if he wanted to make the murder look like a robbery? Everything I've read says that all of Rich's valuable property was still on his person when police arrived. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:18:49 AM EDT
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No really, think. Try it. We all agree that Hillary should be in jail. We all agree that her having classified material on her private server was bad. We all agree that placing that info on that unclassified network was bad, because it was vulnerable to our adversaries and their hackers. Right? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:41:57 AM EDT
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Wouldn't this professional hitman actually rob his target, if he wanted to make the murder look like a robbery? Everything I've read says that all of Rich's valuable property was still on his person when police arrived. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:50:00 AM EDT
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They (the DNC) weren't 'hacked' Seth Rich leaked the emails. Then he was murdered. Those two statements are fact. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:14:15 AM EDT
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Without a doubt...but please do read the article. I've just a high level understanding of InfoSec, but the article was interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And Russia has been at the top of our list of cyber threats for more than a decade. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:24:31 AM EDT
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I scanned through it initially but couldn't wade through the derp. I may give it another look this weekend. I think some of the links there take you to Wikileaks, and that can be problematic for some folks, as well. 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:36:24 AM EDT
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They (the DNC) weren't 'hacked' Seth Rich leaked the emails. Then he was murdered. Those two statements are fact. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:38:07 AM EDT
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I don't think he was killed by Russians. That makes no sense. But I have no idea who killed him or why. Nor does anyone here know who killed him, or why. But I tend to think that a hit man would have tried to make it look like a robbery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Except the report is its two people, and they beat him up before shooting him..why would 2 robbers beat him at supposed gunpoint and not also take his shot? Obviously they had time to beat him before shooting him..... I'm just pointing out that Cincinnatus is arguing both sides of the story, as he frequently does. But I have no idea who killed him or why. Nor does anyone here know who killed him, or why. But I tend to think that a hit man would have tried to make it look like a robbery. [youtube]https://youtu.be/hBkX-q_dli4[/youtube] |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:42:17 AM EDT
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I scanned through it initially but couldn't wade through the derp. I may give it another look this weekend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And Russia has been at the top of our list of cyber threats for more than a decade. I did like that he called Felix Dzerzhinsky as a "early Soviet statesman". He created the Cheka that eventually became the KGB / FSB. 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:54:43 AM EDT
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But I tend to think that a hit man would have tried to make it look like a robbery. The police have said it was a robbery gone bad. 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:18:57 AM EDT
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I wouldn't bother...it's derp all the way down. The "author" is making some assumptions on file MAC date/times that would be silly to make without access to the original MFT / file system - and he conveniently overlooks the 800 lbs gorilla in his "timeline". I did like that he called Felix Dzerzhinsky as a "early Soviet statesman". He created the Cheka that eventually became the KGB / FSB. EDIT: Edited for clarity. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:23:47 AM EDT
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I don't think he was killed by Russians. That makes no sense. But I have no idea who killed him or why. Nor does anyone here know who killed him, or why. But I tend to think that a hit man would have tried to make it look like a robbery. The only reason anybody thinks there was a robbery involved is because it was declared it was a botched one. But wouldn't it seem to be the case that if it were, in fact, a failed robbery that the DNC would offer up a reward of some kind? After all, Clinton did try to use it as an antigun measure. Would It not make sense for them to push the anti gun stance like they do when any of their members gets shot and it gets lots of attention? Instead it's "The family doesn't want anybody looking in to the murder of their son." |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:35:09 AM EDT
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It's odd that in a thread with "evidence" in the title, no actual evidence has been presented, nor has any real argument for believing such evidence even exists been made.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:46:13 AM EDT
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It's odd that in a thread with "evidence" in the title, no actual evidence has been presented, nor has any real argument for believing such evidence even exists been made. The 'russian watermarks' that were added to point the finger at russia were clearly added by someone who didn't umderstand the rest of the metadata contained in the files. They got clumsy. The Clinton Crime Syndicate is so large that they have started hiring too many indermediate skill level value thugs. I mean look at their IT security. Billion dollar scams in play but they won't spring for an IT professional who can do their job without asking reddit for help. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:32:37 AM EDT
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It's odd that in a thread with "evidence" in the title, no actual evidence has been presented, nor has any real argument for believing such evidence even exists been made. The article goes on to state that this metadata anomally only occurred with the first 10 Guccifer 2.0 emails (inferring that the mistake was discovered and subsequently corrected). If I look at everything Wikileaks released vs. Guccifer 2.0's releases, the latter are more suspicious and worth a deeper dig. Don't take the entire article at face value (along with its presumptions). Extract the nuggets deemed valuable and drill down from there. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:35:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot proof. I agree that Assange is alluding to it, but it's not proof or fact that Rich was the leak. (Keep in mind I WANT to see proof of it. I think Rich was the leaker, but my thoughts are not proof or fact) |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:38:15 AM EDT
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Not proof. I agree that Assange is alluding to it, but it's not proof or fact that Rich was the leak. (Keep in mind I WANT to see proof of it. I think Rich was the leaker, but my thoughts are not proof or fact) |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:40:17 AM EDT
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Seth Rich and Pizzagate are in a neck and neck race to claim their rightful place as the Obama birth certificate of this election cycle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They (the DNC) weren't 'hacked' Seth Rich leaked the emails. Then he was murdered. Those two statements are fact. Point of intersectionality for all things coincidental in dead guy death----> Hillary, Podesta, Brock (DNC, Clinton campaign, Media Matters, CAP) They all love the Comet Pizza. Fact. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:41:51 AM EDT
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Justifying an opinion based on no facts because someone else did the same thing about something else is what stupid people do. What has more evidence, the Easter bunny, or leprechauns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which has more evidence? Seth or Russia? What has more evidence, the Easter bunny, or leprechauns? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:43:36 AM EDT
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Zero is not greater than zero. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:44:15 AM EDT
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And Russia has been at the top of our list of cyber threats for more than a decade.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:47:31 AM EDT
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:58:35 AM EDT
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The evidence is easily accessible to anyone who downloads and reviews the two data dumps. This is one of the few cases where the average arfcommer has access to the exact data that the investigators are privvy to. The article goes on to state that this metadata anomally only occurred with the first 10 Guccifer 2.0 emails (inferring that the mistake was discovered and subsequently corrected). If I look at everything Wikileaks released vs. Guccifer 2.0's releases, the latter are more suspicious and worth a deeper dig. Don't take the entire article at face value (along with its presumptions). Extract the nuggets deemed valuable and drill down from there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's odd that in a thread with "evidence" in the title, no actual evidence has been presented, nor has any real argument for believing such evidence even exists been made. The article goes on to state that this metadata anomally only occurred with the first 10 Guccifer 2.0 emails (inferring that the mistake was discovered and subsequently corrected). If I look at everything Wikileaks released vs. Guccifer 2.0's releases, the latter are more suspicious and worth a deeper dig. Don't take the entire article at face value (along with its presumptions). Extract the nuggets deemed valuable and drill down from there. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:46:34 AM EDT
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Bump because bs and ts and cin need to earn David Brocks money
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:46:49 AM EDT
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:07:18 PM EDT
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Given the visible hatred of the left for all things right, it wouldn't surprise me if a Hillary or DNC faithful, found out it was him and whacked him out of feeling betrayed by him. So yes, a crime of passion, if you will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, that IS what a professional hit man would do. You make a strong case against it being a professional hit. Crime of passion? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:08:27 PM EDT
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Can the average Arfcommer make anything of the data? Without a background in digital forensics (or similar), I'd say "no". Keep in mind, this find does not uncover Mission Impossible super spy type activities. It points towards actions carried out by a person (or persons) with just enough IT knowledge to mess something up (which it appears they achieved). |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:58:31 PM EDT
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And Russia has been at the top of our list of cyber threats for more than a decade. just askin' we seem to be hacked over and over, from .gov agencies to credit card companies, and action is only taken after the fact, if action is taken at all it's like calling 911 during a crime, the police show up and take reports |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:02:11 PM EDT
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Wouldn't a professional hitman stage it to look like a robbery? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:07:48 PM EDT
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Seth Rich and Pizzagate are in a neck and neck race to claim their rightful place as the Obama birth certificate of this election cycle. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:07:59 PM EDT
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Can the average Arfcommer make anything of the data? Without a background in digital forensics (or similar), I'd say "no". |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:11:01 PM EDT
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Spent 2 minutes with both docs using Office 365...
Edit: Keep in mind that these are the "same" docs... Guccifer 2.0 just released his first. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:14:32 PM EDT
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isn't ten years enough time to do something about them? just askin' we seem to be hacked over and over, from .gov agencies to credit card companies, and action is only taken after the fact, if action is taken at all it's like calling 911 during a crime, the police show up and take reports |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:15:17 PM EDT
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By that you mean "Russia collusion", right? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:17:52 PM EDT
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Seth Rich and Pizzagate are in a neck and neck race to claim their rightful place as the Obama birth certificate of this election cycle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They (the DNC) weren't 'hacked' Seth Rich leaked the emails. Then he was murdered. Those two statements are fact. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:07:08 PM EDT
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Can the average Arfcommer make anything of the data? Without a background in digital forensics (or similar), I'd say "no". 
I don't know jack about Microsoft office document innards, but I didn't see anything that stood out as derp. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:17:07 PM EDT
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What do you propose we "do about them" that would eliminate them as a cyber threat? then create better cyber threat than they can I know we can do it, if the norks can have an army of hackers then why can't we? I believe in American exceptional ism |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:22:22 PM EDT
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ask them nicely to stop Been done then create better cyber threat than they can Arguably we do, but the gap between us and near-peers is negligible. I know we can do it, if the norks can have an army of hackers then why can't we? We do. I believe in American exceptional ism Next? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:36:13 PM EDT
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As long as the entire world operates on the same basic computing architecture there is no avenue to maintain the degree of technological advantage we enjoy in conventional military terms. Next? |
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