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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:40:37 AM EDT
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you really have to be naive to think that trillions of perfectly timed accidents happened and the earth came to live with millions of living things working in complete perfection *keep in mind, I'm using fact in the colloquial sense of the word. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:53:34 AM EDT
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Rights are fought for and retained through the efforts of men, not the claimed support of an unseen unproven supreme being I have always viewed it as, You have no rights other than those you are willing to fight and die for. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:55:22 AM EDT
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The atheists and evolutionists believe in their own brand of religion, but aren't smart enough to realize it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:57:58 AM EDT
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Well, apparently your two science degrees didn't teach you how statistics and populations work. The study says "more likely". When dealing with human populations, there are always millions of people who are exceptions to the general trend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Me too... My two science degrees apparently make me less educated than the superior atheists. The study says "more likely". When dealing with human populations, there are always millions of people who are exceptions to the general trend. 
I'm well aware of how statistics and populations work. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:22:31 AM EDT
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..you really have to be naive to think that trillions of perfectly timed accidents happened and the earth came to live with millions of living things working in complete perfection A lot of those little accidents could have not happened, or had different outcomes, and still resulted in a planet awash in life or something similar. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:49:58 AM EDT
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Regarding the poll:
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV) "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." Proverbs 26:12 (NIV) "Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them." |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:55:37 AM EDT
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Blessed are the less educated for they will inherit the kingdom of God............
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:05:00 AM EDT
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Fine! More religion for me!
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:26:43 AM EDT
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Replace "educated" with "indoctrinated communists" Communism is anti God you really have to be naive to think that trillions of perfectly timed accidents happened and the earth came to live with millions of living things working in complete perfection For much of earth's history, no life lived on it at all. Things are working in such complete, "designed" perfection that species are constantly going extinct due to unfitness for survival. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:34:34 AM EDT
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The Japanese are, by at large, a more upstanding and moral people than us in the West yet they are godless heathens. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:36:52 AM EDT
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Regarding the poll: 2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV) "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." Proverbs 26:12 (NIV) "Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them." - Wants people to know him. - Puts up good objective evidence against his tales (literal Adam and Eve). |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:40:01 AM EDT
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I have always viewed it as, You have no rights other than those you are willing to fight and die for. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:41:29 AM EDT
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>"This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:4 - Wants people to know him. - Puts up good objective evidence against his tales (literal Adam and Eve). |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:44:15 AM EDT
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Talk about an "extraordinary claim." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Japanese are, by at large, a more upstanding and moral people than us in the West yet they are godless heathens. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:00:23 PM EDT
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But then, what is your purpose for defending those rights, and how are they any higher than anyone elses? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always viewed it as, You have no rights other than those you are willing to fight and die for. They're equal to the same respective rights of others. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:02:07 PM EDT
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Not surprising. It's today's society. No God No Kids Instant Gratification There's no room to worship God when you're too busy worshiping yourself. 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:08:15 PM EDT
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And the result seems to be a society with an increasing amount of self-centered narcissists and perversion everywhere.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:13:27 PM EDT
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The less educated also believe all the Liberal bullshit too...
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:16:14 PM EDT
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Education = Indoctrination
Students are indoctrinated not to believe this. sounds like its successful most of the time. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:16:57 PM EDT
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Yes, good thing that has nothing to do with science and the only people who think this are those opposed to the fact* of evolution. *keep in mind, I'm using fact in the colloquial sense of the word. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:22:01 PM EDT
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Isn't their crime rate far lower than ours? The statement was that the Japanese are more moral, despite being "godless heathens." That is a fascinating claim. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:24:33 PM EDT
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Life is 'better' with those rights than without them. They're equal to the same respective rights of others. I would argue that your second is, as well. Of course, 50% of Americans believe that a woman's right to choice/autonomy/integrity outweighs a child's right to life. So, when both parties have a claim they feel is highest, the idea of popular sovereignty as the solution to moral dilemmas strikes me as hollow. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:26:24 PM EDT
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I bet you believe it's entirely possible that you can hit the powerball ten thousand times in a row too. However, an appeal to reason would suggest how "improbable" it would be, unless some outside factor (like a hand reaching in and painting all of the balls seven numbers) occurred. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:27:23 PM EDT
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Education = Indoctrination Students are indoctrinated not to believe this. sounds like its successful most of the time. The available facts don't fit creationism. That's not a slam against religion. That's just a statement of the way things are. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:29:07 PM EDT
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The available facts don't fit creationism. That's not a slam against religion. That's just a statement of the way things are. But, most "religions" don't make that claim, either. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:31:06 PM EDT
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Still a pathetically high number.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:38:35 PM EDT
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Presents thousands of witnesses who believe. Witness testimony isn't the best either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:40:19 PM EDT
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Still a pathetically high number. American education system is a fucking joke. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:41:59 PM EDT
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Education = Indoctrination Students are indoctrinated not to believe this. sounds like its successful most of the time. education of evolution = indoctrination into evolution think for yourself and choose whichever one you think makes sense and sort it all out when the time comes be happy in the mean time |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:43:13 PM EDT
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I would tend to agree that an appeal to reason tends to discount modern biblically based literal creationism. But, most "religions" don't make that claim, either. Protestantism doesn't really make sense without a literal fall. People just rationalize it in their heads if they accept evolution, because of the indoctrination/social-pressure to believe. Quran is supposed to be the literal word of God. It talks of first-person Adam being made straight from clay. Muslims who accept evolution try to rationalize it by pointing out that life likely started from organisms in clay, but it doesn't really answer the contradiction between a first-person Adam and evolution. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:44:51 PM EDT
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education of creationism = indoctrination into creationism education of evolution = indoctrination into evolution think for yourself and choose whichever one you think makes sense and sort it all out when the time comes be happy in the mean time Not so much with creationism. There's no good objective evidence for literal Biblical creationism or a literal world-wide flood. The good objective evidence goes against it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:46:39 PM EDT
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Nobody who wrote the Bible was actually there. It was largely written 50-100 years afterwards. Witness testimony isn't the best either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun Luckily, we've got plenty of data, and plenty of smart (certainly smarter than me) people who have looked at this, created the appropriate bounds for thought, and published work on the matter so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:47:48 PM EDT
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Education = Indoctrination Students are indoctrinated not to believe this. sounds like its successful most of the time. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:50:55 PM EDT
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Indeed, so one would have to balance the written and oral histories, and other evidence, and then balance that against healthy skepticism. Luckily, we've got plenty of data, and plenty of smart (certainly smarter than me) people who have looked at this, created the appropriate bounds for thought, and published work on the matter so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. That wasn't a thing for a long time. Heck, it's still not a thing for many now. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:52:28 PM EDT
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>healthy skepticism That wasn't a thing for a long time. Heck, it's still not a thing for many now. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:54:58 PM EDT
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The major Abrahamic ones largely do (at least the ones people still take seriously). Protestantism doesn't really make sense without a literal fall. People just rationalize it in their heads if they accept evolution, because of the indoctrination/social-pressure to believe. Quran is supposed to be the literal word of God. It talks of first-person Adam being made straight from clay. Muslims who accept evolution try to rationalize it by pointing out that life likely started from organisms in clay, but it doesn't really answer the contradiction between a first-person Adam and evolution. However, at least minor Christian religion would argue that while an original pair of humans existed, the Fall as recounted in Genesis uses figurative language to describe an event at the beginning of the history of Man that explains the disordered state of human nature. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:56:57 PM EDT
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>healthy skepticism That wasn't a thing for a long time. Heck, it's still not a thing for many now. The Summa Theologia is about 800 years old. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:57:55 PM EDT
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Being broken on the wheel or burned at the stake is usually not healthy, no. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:58:30 PM EDT
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I am neither an expert on Islam nor Protestantism. However, at least minor Christian religion would argue that while an original pair of humans existed, the Fall as recounted in Genesis uses figurative language to describe an event at the beginning of the history of Man that explains the disordered state of human nature. Apparently it has reached an all time low of 38 percent. I think it's a fairly safe wager that most of that 38 percent take little or nothing in Genesis "figuratively" |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:59:56 PM EDT
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Killing children by breaking them apart with forceps is something our civilized, rational society does, right now. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:01:25 PM EDT
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I think it's a fairly safe wager that most of that 38 percent take little or nothing in Genesis "figuratively" |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:02:13 PM EDT
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I like apple juice but impressionist painting does nothing for me. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:07:36 PM EDT
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Evolution has good objective evidence that you can point to/examine/investigate. Not so much with creationism. There's no good objective evidence for literal Biblical creationism or a literal world-wide flood. The good objective evidence goes against it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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education of creationism = indoctrination into creationism education of evolution = indoctrination into evolution think for yourself and choose whichever one you think makes sense and sort it all out when the time comes be happy in the mean time Not so much with creationism. There's no good objective evidence for literal Biblical creationism or a literal world-wide flood. The good objective evidence goes against it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:29:47 PM EDT
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I believe in God, therefor I am dumber than atheists. Did I get it right my intellectual superiors? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:36:52 PM EDT
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Higher educated Athiest have turned our once great Christian nation into a complete pile of shit. American education system is a fucking joke. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:52:32 PM EDT
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"Less educated" can also mean "less indoctrinated." |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:53:23 PM EDT
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I have a Genius level IQ from a state administered test. According to our generally accepted method of testing intelligence I should reside in the 99.99%. At 17 I had read one book cover to cover in my life but still made a 36 in reading on the ACT.
I believe in God and creationism. Therefore since I am clearly smarter than most people I am correct and all other beliefs are wrong. Saying that makes as much sense as the "truths" surrounding evolution. I don't have enough faith to believe in atheism. To believe everything and everyone just spontaneously came from nothing requires a level of belief beyond that of any religion. It also shows the true level arrogance atheists have. Suppose just for a second God is real. A God who created everything we know. Now do you do really think you'd be able to comprehend a being such as that? But because you can't you'll believe we're all just stardust governed by a infinite number of random happenings. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:54:24 PM EDT
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Billions of fossils buried everywhere many in layers inches thick that run for hundreds of miles in every direction. "no evidence for a world-wide flood". LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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education of creationism = indoctrination into creationism education of evolution = indoctrination into evolution think for yourself and choose whichever one you think makes sense and sort it all out when the time comes be happy in the mean time Not so much with creationism. There's no good objective evidence for literal Biblical creationism or a literal world-wide flood. The good objective evidence goes against it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:56:41 PM EDT
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Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right. H.L. Mencken |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:56:42 PM EDT
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To believe everything and everyone just spontaneously came from nothing requires a level of belief beyond that of any religion. It also shows the true level arrogance atheists have. Or do you have so much arrogance that you think yours is the only one? Most Christians are atheists minus one, like atheist 2.0. |
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