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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:05:20 PM EDT
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Not surprising. It's today's society.
No God No Kids Instant Gratification There's no room to worship God when you're too busy worshiping yourself. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:11:54 PM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. It's a bullshit myth. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:12:44 PM EDT
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well duh You'd have to be pretty dumb to deny evolution at this point. So does non-Christian molecular biologist, Michael Denton, who published his best-selling book, Evolution a Theory in Crisis, ‘ |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:14:12 PM EDT
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That was my experience also, but I've been surprised at how often I've heard people from other denominations say they don't believe it really exists. I've still never heard anyone give a coherent explanation of how they reconcile an evolutionary world with the fall and everything that's built upon it though. It's like kicking the cornerstone out of the structure, which is why I think people go to such ridiculous lengths to defend YEC. Once humans were smart enough to know the difference, they had the responsibility to do good and avoid evil. Something other animals don't have because they don't understand these concepts the way humans can. Other consequences of having a large complex brain are: Understanding that your death is inevitable (aka, "death entering the world"...or at least, the knowledge of it). (Genesis 2:17) Larger heads mean humans have more painful childbirth than most other mammals (Genesis 3:16). A large brain requires a lot of calories to keep going. Thus constant toil for food would be required in hunter gather or early agricultural societies (Genesis 3:17). |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:33:05 PM EDT
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I would use the term "higher education" loosely. From what I've seen over the last couple decades, our institutions of "higher education" more closely resemble brainwashing/ retard factories. Kudos to those that survive that circus and come out the other end as a functioning normal adult.
Couldn't tell you if there is a God or whether creationism or evolution is the real deal but I did see a poll that said 62% of Americans are destined to burn in Hell for eternity. Bring your Aloe suckers! 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:47:28 PM EDT
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I used to be a christian, and I used to believe: Genesis isn't literal, but rather a metaphor. "Eating from the tree of knowledge of good an evil" = "humans evolving a brain big enough for advanced moral thinking and the ability to know the difference between good an evil". (Genesis 2:17) Once humans were smart enough to know the difference, they had the responsibility to do good and avoid evil. Something other animals don't have because they don't understand these concepts the way humans can. Other consequences of having a large complex brain are: Understanding that your death is inevitable (aka, "death entering the world"...or at least, the knowledge of it). (Genesis 2:17) Larger heads mean humans have more painful childbirth than most other mammals (Genesis 3:16). A large brain requires a lot of calories to keep going. Thus constant toil for food would be required in hunter gather or early agricultural societies (Genesis 3:17). It causes an avalanche of theological and philosophical problems though, since the entire Bible is predicated on a literal fall, and relies on it to address many fundamental questions. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:49:36 PM EDT
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Yes. Their theories have been proven false. None of the hypotheses stand scrutiny. None of their scientific models. They've been caught cheating. Numerous times. But they still have certainty in feelz that man-made warming is causing an irreversible catastrophe. Not really good science. Political scientism. Yes. All dressed up in the prestige and authority of real science. The premise is that one ideology is more 'scientific', while the other political ideology is geared towards mystical belief. Un-scientific. But that's not what's going on. The thread isn't about creationism per se. It's about claims of ideological orientation and the stereotypes being sold as to where you belong by selection of which ideology. My point is that their claim is false on its face, simply by their actions. Additionally, science is an outgrowth of a desire to 'prove' the perfection of God's creation. Of an orderly universe. Observable. repeatable. To find immutable truths. Progressivism is an unending fight against that. Literally, a fight against objectivity. And nature. Honesty and integrity are not part of the Progressive mindset. Both are required for meaningfully finding the truth of things. Science. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:56:38 PM EDT
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I would say deflection, but it's more to the point how easily distracted many get around here... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does this have to do with creationism? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:01:06 PM EDT
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I fail to see how our society has improved morally turning away from religion. We live in an anything goes kind of world where the value of life is cheap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. I can not understand the smug blindness of those who revel in the demise of the moral foundations that have made this country great. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:04:24 PM EDT
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Turning away will be the downfall of our greatness in this country. We can already see the product of turning from God in our society. I can not understand the smug blindness of those who revel in the demise of the moral foundations that have made this country great. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. I can not understand the smug blindness of those who revel in the demise of the moral foundations that have made this country great. Crime is on a steady decline since the 90s. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:08:42 PM EDT
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Americans educated less in creationism are less likely to believe.
FIFY Welcome to the liberal utopia of education that we call pubic school and universities. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:12:47 PM EDT
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Democrats claim that more highly educated people are liberals and that conservatives are uneducated rubes. This leads to cognitive dissonance. How could anyone that is highly educated believe in liberalism? Jeez - "there is no God and socialism will work next time."
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:17:35 PM EDT
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-humans-new-low.aspx STORY HIGHLIGHTS 38% say God created man in present form, lowest in 35 years Same percentage say humans evolved, but God guided the process Less-educated Americans more likely to believe in creationism WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The percentage of U.S. adults who believe that God created humans in their present form at some time within the last 10,000 years or so -- the strict creationist view -- has reached a new low. Thirty-eight percent of U.S. adults now accept creationism, while 57% believe in some form of evolution -- either God-guided or not -- saying man developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. (Snip) Higher education levels are associated with less support for creationism and higher levels of belief in the evolutionary explanation for human origins. Belief in creationism is 21% among those with postgraduate education versus 48% of those with no more than a high school diploma. Agreement with evolution without God's involvement is 31% among postgrads versus 12% among Americans with a high school education or less. However, even among adults with a college degree or postgraduate education, more believe God had a role in evolution than say evolution occurred without God. This falls into the "no doy" category. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:18:19 PM EDT
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They must have hired Captain Obvious to write that poll. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:20:11 PM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:21:00 PM EDT
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For fuck's sake, don't lump all Christians in with the creationists. We don't all believe that shit.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:23:01 PM EDT
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Americans educated less in creationism are less likely to believe. FIFY Welcome to the liberal utopia of education that we call pubic school and universities. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:29:18 PM EDT
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Faith vs. reason The premise is that one ideology is more 'scientific', while the other political ideology is geared towards mystical belief. Un-scientific. But that's not what's going on. The thread isn't about creationism per se. It's about claims of ideological orientation and the stereotypes being sold as to where you belong by selection of which ideology. My point is that their claim is false on its face, simply by their actions. Additionally, science is an outgrowth of a desire to 'prove' the perfection of God's creation. Of an orderly universe. Observable. repeatable. To find immutable truths. Progressivism is an unending fight against that. Literally, a fight against objectivity. And nature. Honesty and integrity are not part of the Progressive mindset. Both are required for meaningfully finding the truth of things. Science. I'll partially agree with you as I am not pretending that everyone who accepts the theory understands the science. But nearly all who truly understand the science also accept the theory. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:29:33 PM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion.   
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:31:52 PM EDT
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Oh sure, I get that, I even held that view briefly. It causes an avalanche of theological and philosophical problems though, since the entire Bible is predicated on a literal fall, and relies on it to address many fundamental questions. I think the "problem" all boils down to "if you question one part about the bible, why not others", I don't think one even needs get into the realm of "how does this affect other parts of the bible which depend on a literal interpretation of genesis." |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:39:17 PM EDT
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I think someone asked it on page one too, but do you have any examples? Crime is on a steady decline since the 90s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. I can not understand the smug blindness of those who revel in the demise of the moral foundations that have made this country great. Crime is on a steady decline since the 90s. The way we calculate crime stats shows reduced crime. That is not the same thing. Statistics are BS. Go find an older cop and ask him. People have no clue about how many violent felons are walking around in society, how many wanted fugitives are just out walking the streets. When I left Memphis...and this is 18 years ago, we had more than 500K open warrants, just out of Shelby County courts. Of those, about 1/3rd were violent felony crimes. It is worse now. The warrant squads were arresting about 3 fugitives a day per team with about 8 teams out hunting... Do the math. Crime is as high as it has ever been. Jail time is at an all time low, but stats are manipulated as criminals get X years in jail...but jail "time" isn't actual time. You get 3 for 1 days...as in 1 day of work outside the wall = 3 days inside and "good" behavior counts as extra days...so your actual 10 year jail time may be 2 years or less when they do the math. It used to shock me when we arrested violent felons out in public...people around them totally oblivious to who they were standing next to. No more. People see what they wish to see. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:51:10 PM EDT
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Related studies show the following:
Less-educated Americans more likely to own guns Less-educated Americans more likely to have voted for Trump And so on. Do you see a pattern yet? These "studies" are nothing more than a mind control technique designed to generate a specific outcome. In this particular case, the desired outcome is to further erode Christianity in America and replace it with a dark occultocracy masquerading as humanism. These so-called studies conflate "education" with intelligence. A PhD in Gender Studies trumps a BS in Mechanical Engineering. A BS in Criminal Justice trumps a family farmer who didn't go to school. And so on. You will never see a study that breaks down the results according to major. Nor will you see one based on GPA. The truth is that the most intelligent men who have walked this planet believed in a Creator, specifically the God of the Holy Bible. I'm talking real men of science such as Maxwell, Newton, Faraday, Boyle, Kelvin, Plank, etc.... Not clowns posing as scientists like Bill Nye, Stephen Hawking, or Richard Dawkins. Also, most, of the Founding Fathers believed in a Creator. Even the two most often quoted by atheists (Jefferson and Paine) believed in creationism. And yes, I've read extensive writings of both men. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:57:59 PM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. By the way, your statement is technically incorrect. Our society is turning away from Christianity, but turning towards the dark religions of humanism and satanism. It ain't going to work out very well. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:00:54 PM EDT
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Oh and how do you establish what is moral? You do realize in the Bible and I'd wager the Torah is text that says eventually we recognize good and evil as such because of him, right? I'll look for the scripture in a moment. I can't find it at the moment and my phones almost dead, perhaps someone else knows what I'm referencing. I'll check back when I'm home if no locate it and add the scripture. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:08:10 PM EDT
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It is readily apparent that nearly all of those who "believe in creationism" and come here to argue do not have an understanding of science sufficient to investigate anything on their own when it comes to the intricacies of biology. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:20:35 PM EDT
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Yeah man it's awesome to see moral degradation and degeneration Last week guy chops off his moms head and walks into a store. People doing more and more bizarre crap every day and it gets posted here Every week a story comes out about some wierd shit that happens im florida. We have snowflake college kids threatening to kill anyone they don't agree with. People dying in the streets from overdosing in front of their kids. We have a millions of people that believe that Michael Brown had his hands up when he got shot. Despite of the evidence. HILLARY FUCKING CLINTON you still think society is not sliding into the gutter? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:28:11 PM EDT
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I believe in God, therefor I am dumber than atheists. Did I get it right my intellectual superiors? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:49:38 PM EDT
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More educated Americans more likely to believe there are more than two genders, fire can't melt steel, and that global warming is real.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:36:54 PM EDT
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No, it is not. The way we calculate crime stats shows reduced crime. That is not the same thing. Statistics are BS. Go find an older cop and ask him. People have no clue about how many violent felons are walking around in society, how many wanted fugitives are just out walking the streets. When I left Memphis...and this is 18 years ago, we had more than 500K open warrants, just out of Shelby County courts. Of those, about 1/3rd were violent felony crimes. It is worse now. The warrant squads were arresting about 3 fugitives a day per team with about 8 teams out hunting... Do the math. Crime is as high as it has ever been. Jail time is at an all time low, but stats are manipulated as criminals get X years in jail...but jail "time" isn't actual time. You get 3 for 1 days...as in 1 day of work outside the wall = 3 days inside and "good" behavior counts as extra days...so your actual 10 year jail time may be 2 years or less when they do the math. It used to shock me when we arrested violent felons out in public...people around them totally oblivious to who they were standing next to. No more. People see what they wish to see. Got it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:38:47 PM EDT
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Related studies show the following: Less-educated Americans more likely to own guns Less-educated Americans more likely to have voted for Trump And so on. Do you see a pattern yet? These "studies" are nothing more than a mind control technique designed to generate a specific outcome. In this particular case, the desired outcome is to further erode Christianity in America and replace it with a dark occultocracy masquerading as humanism. These so-called studies conflate "education" with intelligence. A PhD in Gender Studies trumps a BS in Mechanical Engineering. A BS in Criminal Justice trumps a family farmer who didn't go to school. And so on. You will never see a study that breaks down the results according to major. Nor will you see one based on GPA. The truth is that the most intelligent men who have walked this planet believed in a Creator, specifically the God of the Holy Bible. I'm talking real men of science such as Maxwell, Newton, Faraday, Boyle, Kelvin, Plank, etc.... Not clowns posing as scientists like Bill Nye, Stephen Hawking, or Richard Dawkins. Also, most, of the Founding Fathers believed in a Creator. Even the two most often quoted by atheists (Jefferson and Paine) believed in creationism. And yes, I've read extensive writings of both men. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:03:28 AM EDT
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And "educated people" believe in constant climate............
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:07:27 AM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:25:03 AM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. Not so much "turning away", as converting to self-worship, and that's religion of the worst kind. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:31:16 AM EDT
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Most colleges are liberal and push anti-Christian views as hard as they can and thus it wouldn't be surprising if the premise of the article is true. Education in this nation is indoctrination but no one wants to think of themselves as indoctrinated
Ultimately wherever you believe that we came from it is a belief. Non-theistic systems always try and ignore the reality that they are ultimetely just a belief. These type of polls and articles aren't meant to inform but rather to shape opinion. Even though according to their own poll the vast majority believe that God is involved somewhere in the process the focus is on the lower education levels recorded in this poll for those who believe in a 'strict creationism'. This 'article' is nothing more than an appeal to authority falacy meant to influence people against those obviously bad ideas of the 'uneducated'.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:38:59 AM EDT
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No shit.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:39:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:42:33 AM EDT
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No doubt, most of the higher educated folks have had their brains filled with liberal bullshit from educated idiots.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:52:12 AM EDT
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correlation does not equate to causation.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:54:34 AM EDT
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Yeah, really making things grand isn't it? Not so much "turning away", as converting to self-worship, and that's religion of the worst kind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion. Not so much "turning away", as converting to self-worship, and that's religion of the worst kind. I think it really speaks to a fundamental difference in how certain types of people perceive and interact with the world, to be unable to imagine or conceptualize not worshipping anything. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:33:39 AM EDT
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Religion does not result in good morals. Consequently, the absence of religion does not result in a lack of morality. The Japanese are, by at large, a more upstanding and moral people than us in the West yet they are godless heathens. On the other side of the coin, the theocracy of Saudi Arabia is a cesspit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah man it's awesome to see moral degradation and degeneration The Japanese are, by at large, a more upstanding and moral people than us in the West yet they are godless heathens. On the other side of the coin, the theocracy of Saudi Arabia is a cesspit. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:34:52 AM EDT
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2 degrees here, but I guess I'm the lesser educated. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:37:50 AM EDT
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They're not claiming there are no educated creationists. I question the institution(s) that granted you degrees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2 degrees here, but I guess I'm the lesser educated. 
You think people who believe in God can't get degrees? I've got a BS and an MS from an ABET accredited University. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:50:20 AM EDT
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 South Park - Mr.Garrison's Evolution Theory |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 1:59:18 AM EDT
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LOL
Sounds like someone, insecure in their own beliefs, is resorting to casting stones at others as a means to shore up their own self esteem. I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:42:00 AM EDT
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Yet more weapons-grade derp from the self-appointed intelligentsia.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:54:35 AM EDT
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So I guess we should defer to the so-called experts who can't even tell us if eggs are good for us or not to tell us what happened in the universe millions of years ago? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:57:06 AM EDT
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Me too... My two science degrees apparently make me less educated than the superior atheists. The study says "more likely". When dealing with human populations, there are always millions of people who are exceptions to the general trend. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:20:31 AM EDT
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The denigration of religion is but a plan to destroy our God given inalienable rights. Think Second Ammendment for one. If God doesn't exist then all rights are bestowed by the State. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:33:24 AM EDT
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Always funny to me otherwise sensible and logical people believe there is a man in the clouds. You need tall boots for what the bible is shoveling.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:33:53 AM EDT
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Replace "educated" with "indoctrinated communists"
Communism is anti God you really have to be naive to think that trillions of perfectly timed accidents happened and the earth came to live with millions of living things working in complete perfection |
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