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Link Posted: 5/25/2017 5:31:45 PM EDT
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the "more educated" are just more brainwashed by the educational system... the "les educated" may just be more open to research that discredits the mantras of the liberal educational system.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 5:56:01 PM EDT
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Moral relativism much?
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Morals are personal beliefs. End of story. You don't get to tell me what is morally right to me.

If you are a Christian and base your morals on the Bible, thou shall not kill is one of the big ones because life is sacred.  Yet they have made themselves loopholes to allow for killing in self defense, war, and capital punishment. Seems very morally relativistic to me.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:02:53 PM EDT
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Morals are personal beliefs. End of story. You don't get to tell me what is morally right to me.

If you are a Christian and base your morals on the Bible, thou shall not kill is one of the big ones because life is sacred.  Yet they have made themselves loopholes to allow for killing in self defense, war, and capital punishment. Seems very morally relativistic to me.
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Moral relativism much?
Morals are personal beliefs. End of story. You don't get to tell me what is morally right to me.

If you are a Christian and base your morals on the Bible, thou shall not kill is one of the big ones because life is sacred.  Yet they have made themselves loopholes to allow for killing in self defense, war, and capital punishment. Seems very morally relativistic to me.
You don't know what you are talking about regarding "killing" in the Bible.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:07:26 PM EDT
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the "more educated" are just more brainwashed by the educational system... the "les educated" may just be more open to research that discredits the mantras of the liberal educational system.
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OTOH less educated people may be less adept at critical thinking and therefore more vulnerable to other forms of brainwashing, such as pseudoscience.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:13:31 PM EDT
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I believe in God, therefor I am dumber than atheists.

Did I get it right my intellectual superiors?
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Yep, you nailed it.
There may be hope for you yet.

A.W.D.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:16:14 PM EDT
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Society is just choosing to worship something else; something created instead of the creator.
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What created the Creator?
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:17:32 PM EDT
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shock results
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:20:15 PM EDT
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I'm not sure that's actually a decrease, the wording is a little more precise than I've seen in prior polls.

Still should put the "YEC is a tiny fringe minority" argument to bed though.

Genesis is a cool story about a comet that's been wildly misunderstood, but that doesn't really have any bearing on whether God exists, only whether what  some claim to know about Him is accurate.
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Everyone's childhood experiences are different but... from what I saw growing up in the 1980s and 90s, most Protestant Christians believed in YEC.   But I grew up in fundamentalist churches that preached that everything in the Bible was literally true and that if some observed science contradicted it, then the data must have been faulty or the conclusion wrong.   Every piece of worldview was filtered through the core belief that the Bible was always right, no matter what.   Things that seemed impossible were met with "God is omnipotent, therefore God did it."

In those days, I would say 35 to 40 percent was a wild underestimate.  But perhaps that's just my recollection from the crowd I was exposed to at the time.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:20:22 PM EDT
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The well educated believe in socialism, fake news, fake science, fake media, Marxist culture...may as well be an atheist or Luciferian while you're at it.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:21:45 PM EDT
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I believe in God, therefor I am dumber than atheists.

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Averages.... How do they work?
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:24:17 PM EDT
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I fail to see how our society has improved morally turning away from religion. We live in an anything goes kind of world where the value of life is cheap.
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Ah yes. Let's not bring up the inquisitions of the church torturing and killing non believers, or even believers of God but not the right version.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:25:22 PM EDT
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The well educated believe in socialism, fake news, fake science, fake media, Marxist culture...may as well be an atheist or Luciferian while you're at it.
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I'm a free market loving atheist who thinks you should be free to earn as much as you want, own as many machine guns and opium farms as you want, fuck as many whores as you want, own however much property you can afford, and be equally free to starve in a gutter without government assistance failing all else.

I also think you should be free to pray to Allah, Jesus, or meditate on Buddha however you want in your own way.   So long as I don't have to pay for you to practice it or indoctrinate others in it and so long as you don't infringe on anyone else's right to worship or not worship as they will, I don't give a fuck.  

What do you think?   Can we be friends?   I do have religious friends.   Their religion does not bother me in the slightest.

Hail satan.  
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:27:52 PM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion.
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Too bad the liberals want to import more simply because they are not white Christians.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:29:29 PM EDT
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I've been on this site for a long time, and arguing in evolution threads most of that time.

It is readily apparent that nearly all of those who "believe in creationism" and come here to argue do not have an understanding of science sufficient to investigate anything on their own when it comes to the intricacies of biology.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:31:25 PM EDT
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I've been on this site for a long time, and arguing in evolution threads most of that time.

It is readily apparent that nearly all of those who "believe in creationism" and come here to argue do not have an understanding of science sufficient to investigate anything on their own when it comes to the intricacies of biology.
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If we was evolved from monkeys, why come is there still dang ol monkeys?

CHECKMATE!
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:35:37 PM EDT
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Glad to see our society at large turning away from religion.
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I'm an atheist and even I recognize the benefits of religion. We wouldn't be anywhere near as civilized if it weren't for religion.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:38:40 PM EDT
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I'm an atheist and even I recognize the benefits of religion. We wouldn't be anywhere near as civilized if it weren't for religion.
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Depends on the religion.

Alot of Hindus seem to have a pretty fucked up attitude about how to treat other people.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:47:47 PM EDT
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So you mean to tell me Americans educated in colleges that are liberal breeding and indoctrination centers, are more likely to believe 'science'?


You don't say.


I bet they're more likely to believe in gun control too, when does ARFcom start faking over themselves for them with that issue?
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Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:51:00 PM EDT
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Like consensus science.
Or social justice.
Eugenics.
Higher tier phrenology.
forced sterilization
Freudian psychology applied to the law
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Your saying the left lies?

Impossible!

Link Posted: 5/25/2017 6:53:13 PM EDT
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Yeah man it's awesome to see moral degradation and degeneration
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Lol, religion has cause more death and destruction than just about anything since the astroid that killed the dinosaurs.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:02:50 PM EDT
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If we was evolved from monkeys, why come is there still dang ol monkeys?

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Yep.

That and, the few that I've bothered to ask, "Have you read the origin of species" either never answered the question, or said they would never read that stupid book.

Real open minded folks there.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:04:39 PM EDT
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Lol, religion has cause more death and destruction than just about anything since the astroid that killed the dinosaurs.
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By your definition have here ever been any non-religious people before the modern era?

Was Aristotle religious? He believed in all kinds of Greek Dieties... Yet is the father of the word "Logic"

The Romans? First to develop research science.

... And of course Isaac Newton... Father of the modern scientific method... At church every Sunday.

isnt Marxism a religion? It's based on the blind faith of the workers paradise. Etc

Its easy to conflate philosophy with religion, it's not like pure rationalism magically appears in the absence of religion (more like animalism)
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:08:43 PM EDT
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Religion does not result in good morals. Consequently, the absence of religion does not result in a lack of morality.


The Japanese are, by at large, a more upstanding and moral people than us in the West yet they are godless heathens.

On the other side of the coin, the theocracy of Saudi Arabia is a cesspit.
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Pearl Harbor says Hello!
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:19:22 PM EDT
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Shhhh, liberal indoctrination centers are evil and can't be trusted when they teach socialism and "science" like man made global warming, but are good and trustworthy when they teach evolution and atheism.

IMO public schools shouldn't teach religion or anti religion at all, period.  Teach what can be proven or sound, peer reviewed scientific theory, with full disclosure that it's only theory and giving time to the dissent.  

Keep religion at home and in your place of worship.
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A scientific theory is the highest thing in science (laws are just descriptive; a different thing than a scientific theory). A theory explains the facts. Evolution by natural selection explains the facts about evolution.

Germ theory is a scientific theory. There's good objective evidence for it. Same with evolution by natural selection.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:20:27 PM EDT
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Just checking in to see if the thread is proceeding as I imagined when I saw the title.

Yep.

Carry on then.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:22:16 PM EDT
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Pearl Harbor says Hello!
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Yea the Japanese got all bent out of shape when Roosevelt blockaded thier trade routes and tried to starve the island.

That little thing... Silly Japs!
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:24:07 PM EDT
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Your saying the left lies?

Impossible!

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Like consensus science.
Or social justice.
Eugenics.
Higher tier phrenology.
forced sterilization
Freudian psychology applied to the law
Your saying the left lies?

Impossible!

It's right there in the name.
Progressives.
It's got 'Progress' built right into it.
How can it be a bad thing?

(they are just little unimportant lies- for the greater good)
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:26:01 PM EDT
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A scientific theory is the highest thing in science (laws are just descriptive; a different thing than a scientific theory). A theory explains the facts. Evolution by natural selection explains the facts about evolution.

Germ theory is a scientific theory. There's good objective evidence for it.
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Shhhh, liberal indoctrination centers are evil and can't be trusted when they teach socialism and "science" like man made global warming, but are good and trustworthy when they teach evolution and atheism.

IMO public schools shouldn't teach religion or anti religion at all, period.  Teach what can be proven or sound, peer reviewed scientific theory, with full disclosure that it's only theory and giving time to the dissent.  

Keep religion at home and in your place of worship.
A scientific theory is the highest thing in science (laws are just descriptive; a different thing than a scientific theory). A theory explains the facts. Evolution by natural selection explains the facts about evolution.

Germ theory is a scientific theory. There's good objective evidence for it.
But not AGW. Fail. By scientific skepticism. Falsifiability. Testing the 'hypothesis'.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:34:00 PM EDT
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This is a dinosaur wearing a saddle. That is all.

Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:34:47 PM EDT
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I believe in God, therefor I am dumber than atheists.

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If you were more educated you might have understood that no one is using absolutes or superlatives. Sadly, you aren't making a good data point for your position.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:34:58 PM EDT
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But not AGW. Fail. By scientific skepticism. Falsifiability. Testing the 'hypothesis'.
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AGW is falsifiable, all be it, not easily.

It would be fairly easy, however, to demonstrate if the models failed to work at making accurate predictions.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:35:46 PM EDT
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the "more educated" are just more brainwashed by the educational system... the "les educated" may just be more open to research that discredits the mantras of the liberal educational system.
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No... they just lack the critical thinking skills the educated have. It's a simple as that.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:38:24 PM EDT
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You don't know what you are talking about regarding "killing" in the Bible.
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It don't really matter. The Bible is just a collection of fairy tales written for adults who are still afraid of the dark.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:39:07 PM EDT
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No... they just lack the critical thinking skills the educated have. It's a simple as that.
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Its more like they lack the background knowledge on the topic being discussed, and therefore their "opinions" are not based on the body of known facts, but rather, off some simplistic understanding of the facts.

Sort of like when anti-gunners talk about assault weapons with semi-atomatic clips that allow them to be fired from the hip.
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the "more educated" are just more brainwashed by the educational system... the "les educated" may just be more open to research that discredits the mantras of the liberal educational system.
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 Like Ken Ham's research?
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:41:00 PM EDT
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AGW is falsifiable, all be it, not easily.
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But not AGW. Fail. By scientific skepticism. Falsifiability. Testing the 'hypothesis'.
AGW is falsifiable, all be it, not easily.
Yes. Their theories have been proven false. None of the hypotheses stand scrutiny. None of their scientific models. They've been caught cheating. Numerous times. But they still have certainty in feelz that man-made warming is causing an irreversible catastrophe.

Not really good science. Political scientism. Yes. All dressed up in the prestige and authority of real science.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:41:43 PM EDT
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Meanwhile the "most" educated segments of society believe that life would be vastly better if we'd just hand all our rights, guns, and money over to the nice man from the government.
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Yes. Their theories have been proven false. None of the hypotheses stand scrutiny. None of their scientific models. They've been caught cheating. Numerous times. But they still have certainty in feelz that man-made warming is causing an irreversible catastrophe.

Not really good science. Political scientism. Yes. All dressed up in the prestige and authority of real science.
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What does this have to do with creationism?
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:42:57 PM EDT
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What created the Creator?
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Ah! The Watchmaker analogy...
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:43:22 PM EDT
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Morals are personal beliefs. End of story. You don't get to tell me what is morally right to me.

If you are a Christian and base your morals on the Bible, thou shall not kill is one of the big ones because life is sacred.  Yet they have made themselves loopholes to allow for killing in self defense, war, and capital punishment. Seems very morally relativistic to me.
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It's shall not commit murder...but please go on...you know everything like 87% of athiests, so....
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:44:50 PM EDT
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I'm guessing we're going to make it to around page 8 before the impending lock. 
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You guys. Always so snarky and secure in your beliefs, and so condescending of others.

I read the title and translated it to, "The longer the system has to condition you, the less you can think for yourselves"

I used to think that higher education was a positive. Lately, though, with what's going on in the streets, I recognize it as just more brainwashing of intellectually stunted goofs.
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Meanwhile the "most" educated segments of society believe that life would be vastly better if we'd just hand all our rights, guns, and money over to the nice man from the government.
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I bet dollars to donuts that half of those liberals who answered that they accept the theory of evolution don't even know what genetic drift is.

In my experience, few "well educated" people understand evolution ether, they just think that they do.

Most raving social justice warrior triggered antifa types know just as much, or even less than, "backwoods bible thumping rednecks" that they love to look down on. Degrees in "gender studies" don't really have a heavy focus on evolutionary biology or micro-biology.
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I'm an atheist and even I recognize the benefits of religion. We wouldn't be anywhere near as civilized if it weren't for religion.
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You're right and you just put forth a good argument that religion is man made to control men, not the word of an invisible man living in the clouds.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 7:47:03 PM EDT
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Lol, religion has cause more death and destruction than just about anything since the astroid that killed the dinosaurs.
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You've never eaten my mother-in-laws cooking...
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What does this have to do with creationism?
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I would say deflection, but it's more to the point how easily distracted many get around here...
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I bet dollars to donuts that half of those liberals who answered that they accept the theory of evolution don't even know what genetic drift is.

In my experience, few "well educated" people understand evolution ether, they just think that they do.

Most raving social justice warrior triggered antifa types know just as much, or even less than, "backwoods bible thumping rednecks" that they love to look down on. Degrees in "gender studies" don't really have a heavy focus on evolutionary biology or micro-biology.
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If GD is a decent cross section of the population, you've been in enough evolution threads to know that a large chunk of people basically think that it really is one species just giving birth to a totally different species out of the blue.
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Everyone's childhood experiences are different but... from what I saw growing up in the 1980s and 90s, most Protestant Christians believed in YEC.   But I grew up in fundamentalist churches that preached that everything in the Bible was literally true and that if some observed science contradicted it, then the data must have been faulty or the conclusion wrong.   Every piece of worldview was filtered through the core belief that the Bible was always right, no matter what.   Things that seemed impossible were met with "God is omnipotent, therefore God did it."

In those days, I would say 35 to 40 percent was a wild underestimate.  But perhaps that's just my recollection from the crowd I was exposed to at the time.
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That was my experience also, but I've been surprised at how often I've heard people from other denominations say they don't believe it really exists.

I've still never heard anyone give a coherent explanation of how they reconcile an evolutionary world with the fall and everything that's built upon it though. It's like kicking the cornerstone out of the structure, which is why I think people go to such ridiculous lengths to defend YEC.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 8:00:46 PM EDT
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Education /= intelligence

This reminds me of one of those studies that finds a glass of wine to be beneficial.  And then all the drunks run out and gleefully talk about how healthy their habits are.  

Catholicism is the largest christian sect in the known universe and they dont believe in creationism.
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2 degrees here, but I guess I'm the lesser educated.
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3 degrees here and an acceptance to law school that I passed on. I knew I should have majored in window licking and shit talking like the brilliant Arfcom atheists.
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