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Link Posted: 5/24/2017 7:26:29 PM EDT
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And the reason?  Something about some Union General tear assing around the South burning crops and destroying infrastructure.  The part people forget is the famine caused by Sherman impacted both Southerners and Union POWs.
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So it wasn't even the worst camp in the south? 15.5% of the prisoners held by the south died, only a little over 12% of prisoners held by the north died.
And the reason?  Something about some Union General tear assing around the South burning crops and destroying infrastructure.  The part people forget is the famine caused by Sherman impacted both Southerners and Union POWs.
And how does that change it to being better than a Northern prisoner camp?
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 7:27:01 PM EDT
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New Yorkers ?
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I have both "Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield Park" and "The General" in my hometown and fear for their fate.
You should considering GA's changing demographics.
New Yorkers ?


It's happening here in VA and NC too
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 7:34:31 PM EDT
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Total BS...if you don't study history you will repeat it.
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Maybe the sooner the better!
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 7:39:51 PM EDT
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Yes.  Difference is, Andersonville is a national historic site (it's under the park service), and not subject to the whims of local politics.
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The Federal government kept Andersonville as a site.  However, Union Prisons like Elmira, Camp Douglas, Libby were destroyed and ignored.  Both were bad, but it was worse to be a Confederate prisoner in Union hands than it was to be a Union Prisoner in Confederate hands.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 7:51:33 PM EDT
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So the fact that everyone was starving suddenly makes it better to be in one of those prisons?
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So it wasn't even the worst camp in the south? 15.5% of the prisoners held by the south died, only a little over 12% of prisoners held by the north died.
It was hard to feed them when everyone was starving.
So the fact that everyone was starving suddenly makes it better to be in one of those prisons?
The south tried to do multiple prisoner exchanges.  The north refused.  It was better for the north as they had more men and could afford to lose them while the south was short on manpower.  The north knew the conditions and chose to leave their men in those camps after being offered release.  

Blame who chose to leave them there to die.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 8:17:20 PM EDT
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So the fact that everyone was starving suddenly makes it better to be in one of those prisons?
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So it wasn't even the worst camp in the south? 15.5% of the prisoners held by the south died, only a little over 12% of prisoners held by the north died.
It was hard to feed them when everyone was starving.
So the fact that everyone was starving suddenly makes it better to be in one of those prisons?
That is the stupidest thing I have seen written on here in days.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 8:22:28 PM EDT
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Yes.  Difference is, Andersonville is a national historic site (it's under the park service), and not subject to the whims of local politics.
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Haha Tell Mitch Landrieu that
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 8:40:10 PM EDT
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New Yorkers?
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I have both "Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield Park" and "The General" in my hometown and fear for their fate.
You should considering GA's changing demographics.
New Yorkers?
Partially
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 8:44:08 PM EDT
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Well, maybe the next time a state secedes to protect an unpopular (to put it mildly) institution and attacks a federal installation to prove they really mean it, their neighbors will remember how unpleasant it turned out before jumping in.
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Do me a big favor and GTFO out of GA and go back to NY from whence you came
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 8:51:10 PM EDT
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In order to promote the agenda that your race is superior and special, you first must erase the evidence that it's not.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 9:12:53 PM EDT
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I just sent the commissioner a private message on facebook, I will let you know what she said.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 9:18:27 PM EDT
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If a Confederate flag cannot be displayed in a Civil War museum, what is the purpose of the museum?  The Yankees weren't exactly fighting the Kaiser or redcoats.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Here are the Commsioners public numbers

Link Posted: 5/24/2017 9:56:06 PM EDT
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As I understand it, the northern prisons were just as bad.  Maybe worse due to the winters.
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Is andersonville still open?
I was 10 yo living in Germany when I read

"Andersonville - A Story of Rebel Military Prisons" from John McElroy. American printer, soldier, journalist and author (1846-1929). Google Books
Originally published: 1879
Author: John McElroy

I was shocked at the similarities with the Nazi death camps.
As I understand it, the northern prisons were just as bad.  Maybe worse due to the winters.
Only Andersonville, in the south, was 'that' bad. Andersonville death rates were estimated around 30%. 13,000+ known to have died are buried there.

Camp Douglas in Chitcago was the worst in the north. This camp had a death rate of about 20% but poor records were kept & nobody, even today, knows where all the soldiers were buried or the actual death rate. Camp Douglas never had the prison population that Andersonville had.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 9:58:34 PM EDT
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Do me a big favor and GTFO out of GA and go back to NY from whence you came
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Well, maybe the next time a state secedes to protect an unpopular (to put it mildly) institution and attacks a federal installation to prove they really mean it, their neighbors will remember how unpleasant it turned out before jumping in.
Do me a big favor and GTFO out of GA and go back to NY from whence you came
.   Thank you.  I was wanting to say the same thing.   Been to Andersonville many times.   Loved to watch and listen to the artillery going off.  I got ties to andersonville, John Wilkes booth ,  Family  history book anyhow.   Think I'll go make me some grits.   Wardawg
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 10:10:45 PM EDT
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When all public traces of the Civil War are gone, the blacks will go ape shit that there are no memorials to their plight.  Just like holocaust memorials.
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 10:14:27 PM EDT
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More monuments in New Orleans have been defaced.
The cycle continues...
Link Posted: 5/24/2017 10:24:39 PM EDT
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.   Thank you.  I was wanting to say the same thing.   Been to Andersonville many times.   Loved to watch and listen to the artillery going off.  I got ties to andersonville, John Wilkes booth ,  Family  history book anyhow.   Think I'll go make me some grits.   Wardawg
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My maternal grandfathers maternal grandfather was 24th VA Inf., organized in Floyd Co VA. Of seven Hylton brothers, five died in the civil war, three of those fighting with the 24th. Although my GG Grandfather wasn't there, the 24th took part in Pickets Charge at Gettysburg. One of the brothers was mortally wounded there & later died in GA.

Just because I may be from ILL it doesn't mean there aren't some deep Southern roots...
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 12:10:58 AM EDT
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Total BS...if you don't study history you will repeat it.
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These fascist liberals are trying to ERASE history all together.  

Not that this analogy is on the mark per-se'.  But are the Jews trying to shut down Auschwitz?
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 2:39:52 AM EDT
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Jackass liberal Marxists trying to get the public to support erasing History.

Link Posted: 5/25/2017 3:30:49 AM EDT
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So if all traces of the confederacy are remove and liberals pretend it never existed.........can we just say slavery never existed either?
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 9:55:27 AM EDT
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My shocked face, someone else here thinks 13 states seceded over anything but the ONE thing they all specifically mentioned in their articles of secession.
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Only a fool hides from and tries to erase history no matter how good or bad it was.
Link Posted: 5/25/2017 12:04:26 PM EDT
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In order to promote the agenda that your race is superior and special, you first must erase the evidence that it's not.
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You'd be sweeping your trail daily.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 9:32:04 AM EDT
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That is the stupidest thing I have seen written on here in days.
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So it wasn't even the worst camp in the south? 15.5% of the prisoners held by the south died, only a little over 12% of prisoners held by the north died.
It was hard to feed them when everyone was starving.
So the fact that everyone was starving suddenly makes it better to be in one of those prisons?
That is the stupidest thing I have seen written on here in days.
You are obviously confused. Go back and start from the beginning and try not to get distracted.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 10:45:02 AM EDT
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You are obviously confused. Go back and start from the beginning and try not to get distracted.
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Still drunk you are.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 11:27:54 AM EDT
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Still drunk you are.
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You are obviously confused. Go back and start from the beginning and try not to get distracted.


Still drunk you are.
No. Still battling southern revisionist history.

Someone makes a false claim that the northern camps were worse and as soon as someone corrects them everyone starts falling all over themselves making excuses.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 11:31:10 AM EDT
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No. Still battling southern revisionist history.

Someone makes a false claim that the northern camps were worse and as soon as someone corrects them everyone starts falling all over themselves making excuses.
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So the people in the South were not starving? You sure are one ignorant soul. It is a good thing
Yankees did not know what black eyed peas were. The yankees have mastered revisionist history
and you ignorant people eat it up like candy.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 11:58:41 AM EDT
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So the people in the South were not starving? You sure are one ignorant soul. It is a good thing
Yankees did not know what black eyed peas were. The yankees have mastered revisionist history
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I'm trying to address one lie at a time. The initial lie was that northern prisons were worse than southern ones. Before we go on, let's make sure we are all clear that it was not the case.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 12:02:20 PM EDT
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Black feelings uber alles.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 12:02:53 PM EDT
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As I posted in another thread-this ain't about the Civil War. It's about erasing American history.
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It's about sticking it to whitey.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 12:11:46 PM EDT
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I wonder if we'll see monuments at major battle sites like Gettysburg taken down in our time?
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Shit, we might see the fucking Lincoln memorial torn down because Lincoln said stuff that sounds "racist" to ultra-sensitive modern ears.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 12:20:51 PM EDT
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If people forget the Civil War, how long is it before they forget slavery?
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When the last dime is hustled out of the last pocket, and not a minute sooner.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 12:33:50 PM EDT
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I'm not getting any younger. 
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That's okay, the Civil War II museum will be much nicer.
I'm not getting any younger. 
IRENE
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 12:41:29 PM EDT
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Anyone who is a Southerner American should feel threatened...
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FIFY
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 1:41:07 PM EDT
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No. Still battling southern revisionist history.

Someone makes a false claim that the northern camps were worse and as soon as someone corrects them everyone starts falling all over themselves making excuses.
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Ok, so we accept the fact that Camp Douglas wasn't  'as bad' as Andersonville, how does that knowledge help my GG Grandfathers brother Anannias that died at Camp Douglas?
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 1:42:32 PM EDT
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Stupid fucking bullshit.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 1:44:08 PM EDT
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I see that the Georgia National Socialist Democrat Party (GA NAZIs) are doing what NAZIs do best.

Has Ms Clemmons notified you of when the book burnings begin?
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"Like."
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 2:12:52 PM EDT
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Ok, so we accept the fact that Camp Douglas wasn't  'as bad' as Andersonville, how does that knowledge help my GG Grandfathers brother Anannias that died at Camp Douglas?
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No. Still battling southern revisionist history.

Someone makes a false claim that the northern camps were worse and as soon as someone corrects them everyone starts falling all over themselves making excuses.
Ok, so we accept the fact that Camp Douglas wasn't  'as bad' as Andersonville, how does that knowledge help my GG Grandfathers brother Anannias that died at Camp Douglas?
It doesn't. In fact it really doesn't matter which was worse, it's just one of the revisionist history talking points that comes up. Prison camps on both sides were fucked up places.
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 2:30:38 PM EDT
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It doesn't. In fact it really doesn't matter which was worse, it's just one of the revisionist history talking points that comes up. Prison camps on both sides were fucked up places.
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Yes but the 'excuses' for the higher death rates in the southern camps were pretty much true.

Camp Douglas was located in a LOT worse environment than Andersonville. It was litterally in a swamp near a lake in a very seasonably cold climate. Had it not been for the marginally better supplies the death rate there would have been far higher.

On my maternal Grandmothers side of the family, from ILL, there were two brothers that were both captured at different engagements. They both wound up in a POW camp in Richmond VA that was basically a multi story brick warehouse building. After the war was over both brothers walked all the way back to ILL. Not till they were both home did they each know the other had been in the same camp, but also that they were not very far apart walking home. My point here, besides the irony & coincidence, is that neither could have been in too bad a shape to make the journey & survive it...
Link Posted: 5/26/2017 2:51:18 PM EDT
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LOL.  Yankees can do no wrong. "Muh shitty prison camp was better than your shitty prison camp!"  

What actually happened is yanks left their prisoners down there to use up more Southern resources.
Link Posted: 5/27/2017 9:44:40 AM EDT
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Back to the thread.  A Civil War museum in Georgia is closing because a black county commissioner is offended by a flag.
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