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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:53:29 PM EDT
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Oh ok. I had no idea those types of meds were prescribed like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also call BS. Abrupt benzo withdrawal will cause seizures/coma/death in that order. No MD would ever cut someone's benzos cold turkey. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:54:27 PM EDT
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I can't imagine taking them several times a day. I take them at night, at most 3 times in a row. Don't buy the friends story though. Pillheads are manipulative liars Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought they were as needed and not a routine thing. To build up a tolerance wouldnt you have to eat them on a regular basis? Don't buy the friends story though. Pillheads are manipulative liars |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:54:30 PM EDT
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Um, take him to a hospital? |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:55:48 PM EDT
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My kid's mom was on a high dose of dilaudid for chronic pain for something she was born with. Her pain management guy up and left his practice in the middle of the night leaving his patients hanging. The new doc put her on a pain "cocktail" and refused to tell her what was in it. She had surgery to reduce the pain and tapered off the pain cocktail. This was 20 years ago and all is good. I know the feeling of being helpless and also accusations of being an enabler. I hope everything works out for your friend.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:01:44 PM EDT
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I also call BS. Abrupt benzo withdrawal will cause seizures/coma/death in that order. No MD would ever cut someone's benzos cold turkey. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:01:48 PM EDT
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Heaven forbid his MD break the cycle of pill-pushing drug dispensing quack docs. Just because he is having withdrawals doesn't mean he needs the stuff
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:08:58 PM EDT
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I can distinguish between a sociopath and a decent human. I know this is a good person, who's doc was old school and now my friend is up sht crk. I have 70 year old aunts who love kpins and Valium but they have nice Miami MD's. it not fun to watch someone withdrawal from. when people you love trust a doc and get hard drugs it is not pretty. Just wanted advice guys.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:10:12 PM EDT
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Heaven forbid his MD break the cycle of pill-pushing drug dispensing quack docs. Just because he is having withdrawals doesn't mean he needs the stuff |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:11:51 PM EDT
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I can distinguish between a sociopath and a decent human. I know this is a good person, who's doc was old school and now my friend is up sht crk. I have 70 year old aunts who love kpins and Valium but they have nice Miami MD's. it not fun to watch someone withdrawal from. when people you love trust a doc and get hard drugs it is not pretty. Just wanted advice guys. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:15:08 PM EDT
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I can distinguish between a sociopath and a decent human. I know this is a good person, who's doc was old school and now my friend is up sht crk. I have 70 year old aunts who love kpins and Valium but they have nice Miami MD's. it not fun to watch someone withdrawal from. when people you love trust a doc and get hard drugs it is not pretty. Just wanted advice guys. They are very good at hiding their condition, it's how they convince people to give them more of what they want, or money to buy what they want, or to trust them so they can steal what they want, or something valuable to pawn for money for what they want.... |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:15:19 PM EDT
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Go to a third MD. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:15:22 PM EDT
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Find a new doc. That's about the best advice I can give.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:17:19 PM EDT
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That's not how it works. It's a highly abused benzo. The new doctor could have any number of reasons for not issuing a new prescription. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't help him, but it sounds like the new doctor is irresponsible and possibly committing malpractice. If your friend has a seizure and lives, he could become very wealthy. It's a highly abused benzo. The new doctor could have any number of reasons for not issuing a new prescription. Take the friend to a detox unit or ER. From there I would immediately get a good attorney and sue the new doctor until he sells his degree to pay the judgement. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:21:34 PM EDT
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No, thats *exactly* how it works. You dont quit benzos cold turkey. Take the friend to a detox unit or ER. From there I would immediately get a good attorney and sue the new doctor until he sells his degree to pay the judgement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't help him, but it sounds like the new doctor is irresponsible and possibly committing malpractice. If your friend has a seizure and lives, he could become very wealthy. It's a highly abused benzo. The new doctor could have any number of reasons for not issuing a new prescription. Take the friend to a detox unit or ER. From there I would immediately get a good attorney and sue the new doctor until he sells his degree to pay the judgement. There is almost certainly a request in the chart that this patient come in to have an exam before further prescriptions are written. A new doctor who has never prescribed a drug cannot be forced to just call in a prescription because a patient wants it. His obligation is to NOT write bad prescriptions. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:24:04 PM EDT
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Klonopin is some crazy shit. I knew a guy from college on the stuff and he would pass out wherever and whenever. Good luck
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:25:39 PM EDT
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No, thats *exactly* how it works. You dont quit benzos cold turkey. Take the friend to a detox unit or ER. From there I would immediately get a good attorney and sue the new doctor until he sells his degree to pay the judgement. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:39:20 PM EDT
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Did I miss the answer to what dosage he was on?
That's kind of important. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:42:52 PM EDT
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Ive had them before and they made me unable to remember the events of that day. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:43:04 PM EDT
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No, thats *exactly* how it works. You dont quit benzos cold turkey. Take the friend to a detox unit or ER. From there I would immediately get a good attorney and sue the new doctor until he sells his degree to pay the judgement. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:53:08 PM EDT
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I had a dr give me 60 of em 2-3 months ago because I mentioned an episode he called an anxiety attack. I've taken 3 since then, they really make a good nights sleep. I'm very cautious about em though because a friend of mine shot himself about a week into going cold turkey off xanax, he was 56 and not a "basket case", shotgun to the chest at his desk at work.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:03:42 PM EDT
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I had a dr give me 60 of em 2-3 months ago because I mentioned an episode he called an anxiety attack. I've taken 3 since then, they really make a good nights sleep. I'm very cautious about em though because a friend of mine shot himself about a week into going cold turkey off xanax, he was 56 and not a "basket case", shotgun to the chest at his desk at work. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:12:34 PM EDT
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His MD urged him to be on scheduled benzos to the point he is having withdrawals? I think there is more to this story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Buddy is/was not a drug abuser. Got a script on urging from MD. I don't like watching this. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:16:46 PM EDT
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Did I miss the answer to what dosage he was on? That's kind of important. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:22:24 PM EDT
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How long has he been out? As asked...what daily dosage was he on? This is important to estimate the extent of the WD SX's (symptoms).
Klonopin has a long half life..(30-40 hours)..so your buddy "shouldn't" encounter serious WD until then. Again...also depends on daily dosage....everyone's different. If he's a good friend...hit the store (At the right time). Water, immodium, multivitamin, gatorade, clear liquids, juice (nothing acidic). Tums/antacid, yogurt, and no alcohol. Let's not help make an alcoholic. Stay away from caffeine...eat clean when he gets the gut up. Best to start with a BRAT diet. Bannas, rice, applesauce, toast. Grab some flicks, and plan to stay with your buddy for the next ?? hours....in order to help him through it. Be encouraging, and you should know in short order...if he's committed to quitting...or not. If he isn't ...not much your going to do to stop him. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:28:44 PM EDT
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You can't help him, but it sounds like the new doctor is irresponsible and possibly committing malpractice. If your friend has a seizure and lives, he could become very wealthy. Jesus Christ. Let's sue everybody every time we don't get a fix. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:34:48 PM EDT
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I'm asking because I'm very familiar with this drug. He might be ready for this: https://thegalileo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/regan-bedroom.png?w=620&h=348 |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:36:29 PM EDT
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Yep. Recently saw an elderly lady go into benzo withdrawal because she blew through her taper. Her original dose was 2mg Klonopin 4 times a day.  |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:37:21 PM EDT
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buddy did not seek out the scrip. took it on good faith and it suffering like hell now. should I bring him food or beer? I'm not comfortable watching someone suffer like this? |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:38:12 PM EDT
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Yes. When you finish an interaction with someone and you have less energy/money you have experienced an addict. I account my relationships in this fashion because of past exposure with addict assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever known a drug abuser? They are some of the most cunning and sophisticated manipulators you will ever meet. It's not like one would tell you he's an abuser unless it was part of a way to manipulate you. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:38:17 PM EDT
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I thought they were as needed and not a routine thing. To build up a tolerance wouldnt you have to eat them on a regular basis? |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:38:33 PM EDT
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K-pin's are also used for seizure control, it's not always about abuse for fuck's sake, if it was there could be trouble. If he was abusing he can start having seizure's.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:41:44 PM EDT
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I can distinguish between a sociopath and a decent human. I know this is a good person, who's doc was old school and now my friend is up sht crk. I have 70 year old aunts who love kpins and Valium but they have nice Miami MD's. it not fun to watch someone withdrawal from. when people you love trust a doc and get hard drugs it is not pretty. Just wanted advice guys. The best advice GD is going to give you is never underestimate what someone will do for sex, money, or drugs. Nobody here will be emotionally invested in your friends well being, you're just getting really good advice in a way that's difficult to swallow. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:44:45 PM EDT
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After my father died I started having panic attacks and was prescribed Ativan. They gave me a bucketful of them (about 90 1 mg pills) . Label said to take one in the AM and one and night.
I didn't do that and only took them as needed - maybe half a pill at night 4x a week and at about week 6 I started getting interdose withdrawal symptoms and realized I had a physical dependency on them, after not taking anywhere CLOSE to the prescribed dose. I went off them cold turkey, went through withdrawals during my FILs death and funeral (we lost him shortly after my own dad), and sent a scathing note to the docs telling them their cavalierness with benzos are turning people into pill heads and they need to warn people about the chance of physical dependency and what to watch out for. They had never warned me at all about what could happen and I developed a tolerance and a dependency REALLY quickly to them on a REALLY low dose. So, I could see how it could happen to OPs friend. Combine that with a new doc that cut him off abruptly and yeah his life sucks right now. Best thing is to get him to another doc (or the cutoff doc) ASAP and put on a taper schedule and get OFF the damn things for good. As many others have said, cold turkey could be dangerous for him depending on how much he was on for how long and his physical makeup. I did go cold turkey because I wasn't on that much for that long, but even so I had crazy headaches, shakes, tremors, jumpiness, and felt like my hair was tap-dancing on my head for about 2 weeks. CG |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:45:01 PM EDT
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When I was younger I had a prescription of klonopin for anxiety. Couldn't tell you the dose but I remember it not helping much so I took 2-3 at a time. That's my experience with it.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:47:46 PM EDT
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My wife takes that sometimes, her doctor told her "It can make you stupid" and is very careful about prescribing and refilling it. She's been denied a refill, or given an equal number of lesser tablets, more than once. Just recently they wanted her to stop taking it completely, but she managed to talk them into a small number at a lower dosage. I'm guessing that next time will be the last. Really looking forward to that.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:48:10 PM EDT
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You can't help him, but it sounds like the new doctor is irresponsible and possibly committing malpractice. If your friend has a seizure and lives, he could become very wealthy. Now he seizes and dies, well maybe his family gets rich but what a fucked up way to look at things. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:51:45 PM EDT
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Weird. They hardly have an effect on me. I only take them at night. They don't make me feel groggy the next day either. I either sleep or I don't Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ive had them before and they made me unable to remember the events of that day. I was off for a couple of weeks. I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. That's why I'm curious as to the dosage the O.P.'s friend is/was on. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:58:34 PM EDT
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A friend of mine thinks the OP is actually the one hooked on benzos and was hoping for pointers on how to get more pills.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:00:29 PM EDT
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My kid's mom was on a high dose of dilaudid for chronic pain for something she was born with. Her pain management guy up and left his practice in the middle of the night leaving his patients hanging. The new doc put her on a pain "cocktail" and refused to tell her what was in it. She had surgery to reduce the pain and tapered off the pain cocktail. This was 20 years ago and all is good. I know the feeling of being helpless and also accusations of being an enabler. I hope everything works out for your friend. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:02:01 PM EDT
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I can distinguish between a sociopath and a decent human. I know this is a good person, who's doc was old school and now my friend is up sht crk. I have 70 year old aunts who love kpins and Valium but they have nice Miami MD's. it not fun to watch someone withdrawal from. when people you love trust a doc and get hard drugs it is not pretty. Just wanted advice guys. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:02:10 PM EDT
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What dose was he taking. Edit to add i take it for neureulogical pain 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:06:23 PM EDT
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A benzo addict lying, manipulating, and being non-compliant? Inconceivable dot jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also call BS. Abrupt benzo withdrawal will cause seizures/coma/death in that order. No MD would ever cut someone's benzos cold turkey. He was most likely given a tapering schedule, didn't follow it, and now wants more Benzos. Inconceivable dot jpg  
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:08:26 PM EDT
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Yep. Recently saw an elderly lady go into benzo withdrawal because she blew through her taper. Her original dose was 2mg Klonopin 4 times a day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also call BS. Abrupt benzo withdrawal will cause seizures/coma/death in that order. No MD would ever cut someone's benzos cold turkey. He was most likely given a tapering schedule, didn't follow it, and now wants more Benzos. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:09:19 PM EDT
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A benzo addict lying, manipulating, and being non-compliant? Inconceivable dot jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also call BS. Abrupt benzo withdrawal will cause seizures/coma/death in that order. No MD would ever cut someone's benzos cold turkey. He was most likely given a tapering schedule, didn't follow it, and now wants more Benzos. Inconceivable dot jpg 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:10:29 PM EDT
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K-pin's are also used for seizure control, it's not always about abuse for fuck's sake, if it was there could be trouble. If he was abusing he can start having seizure's. Benzos act on the exact same receptors as alcohol. They have the exact same effects. They have the exact same withdrawal (DT's). Everything you use a benzo for, substitute a fifth of jack. They SHOULD be only used in the OR or ER and using them on an outpatient setting on a regular basis is foolish. You only find dinosaurs prescribing "mothers little helper" anymore. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:12:44 PM EDT
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After my father died I started having panic attacks and was prescribed Ativan. They gave me a bucketful of them (about 90 1 mg pills) . Label said to take one in the AM and one and night. I didn't do that and only took them as needed - maybe half a pill at night 4x a week and at about week 6 I started getting interdose withdrawal symptoms and realized I had a physical dependency on them, after not taking anywhere CLOSE to the prescribed dose. I went off them cold turkey, went through withdrawals during my FILs death and funeral (we lost him shortly after my own dad), and sent a scathing note to the docs telling them their cavalierness with benzos are turning people into pill heads and they need to warn people about the chance of physical dependency and what to watch out for. They had never warned me at all about what could happen and I developed a tolerance and a dependency REALLY quickly to them on a REALLY low dose. So, I could see how it could happen to OPs friend. Combine that with a new doc that cut him off abruptly and yeah his life sucks right now. Best thing is to get him to another doc (or the cutoff doc) ASAP and put on a taper schedule and get OFF the damn things for good. As many others have said, cold turkey could be dangerous for him depending on how much he was on for how long and his physical makeup. I did go cold turkey because I wasn't on that much for that long, but even so I had crazy headaches, shakes, tremors, jumpiness, and felt like my hair was tap-dancing on my head for about 2 weeks. CG |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:16:03 PM EDT
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Benzos suck for seizure control. Benzos act on the exact same receptors as alcohol. They have the exact same effects. They have the exact same withdrawal (DT's). Everything you use a benzo for, substitute a fifth of jack. They SHOULD be only used in the OR or ER and using them on an outpatient setting on a regular basis is foolish. You only find dinosaurs prescribing "mothers little helper" anymore. the damn things are fine as long as not taken daily. Ive had a script for them for around 8 years or so. I am suppose to take daily but thats just asking for trouble. Taken here and there they are fine and do their job on nerve pain on the left side of my face
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:18:15 PM EDT
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Benzos suck for seizure control. Benzos act on the exact same receptors as alcohol. They have the exact same effects. They have the exact same withdrawal (DT's). Everything you use a benzo for, substitute a fifth of jack. They SHOULD be only used in the OR or ER and using them on an outpatient setting on a regular basis is foolish. You only find dinosaurs prescribing "mothers little helper" anymore. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:19:32 PM EDT
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Hey now! the damn things are fine as long as not taken daily. Ive had a script for them for around 8 years or so. I am suppose to take daily but thats just asking for trouble. Taken here and there they are fine and do their job on nerve pain on the left side of my faceHow does a benzo stop nerve pain. It's not even in the analgesic class. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:21:12 PM EDT
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My wife takes that sometimes, her doctor told her "It can make you stupid" and is very careful about prescribing and refilling it. She's been denied a refill, or given an equal number of lesser tablets, more than once. Just recently they wanted her to stop taking it completely, but she managed to talk them into a small number at a lower dosage. I'm guessing that next time will be the last. Really looking forward to that. i did part of my MIS on them and it sucked ass |
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