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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:27:04 AM EDT
How do these 2 compare to each other? Claim is the KA52 is the number 1 attack helicopter. Is it even in production?
I like watching top 10 videos. Lots of cool stuff to see. Anyone know about this one?
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:30:01 AM EDT
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Who made that claim?
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:32:45 AM EDT
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I did, but I was drunk and talking out of my ass
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:46:16 AM EDT
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airwolf/tiger blood fuel additive will make any helo best helo
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:47:13 AM EDT
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So they just kind of cling to their targets?
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:55:54 AM EDT
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I've never seen a "Top 10" video (in any subject) that wasn't complete bias garbage.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:56:47 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:59:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:43:13 AM EDT
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Thanks guys. Can always get a good laugh out of this place.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:51:19 AM EDT
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https://sputniknews.com/
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:59:36 AM EDT
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is thread needs pics







Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:01:10 PM EDT
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The KA52 is a very very good helicopter. It would give the Apache a run for the money although I am not sure its better.

The KA52 is in production but less utilized than the MI28 havok. the KA is found mostly attached to special forces units.  The Havoc is in widespread service.

The KA has been deployed in Syria and Chechnya. It supposedly very fast, very survivable, and very maneuverable. It has ejection seats. It also sports some very modern sensors and radar. No tail rotor eliminates a problem area on most helicopters.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:11:13 PM EDT
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How does the ejection system work, pop the rotors then the seats?
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:22:35 PM EDT
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I believe the blades all release just before the ejection occurs.

This thing has the cockpit of the old OV-10 Mohawk
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:26:34 PM EDT
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It compares very favorably.  The AH-64 has an advanced targeting and weapons suite, far moreso than the Ka-50, which instead focuses on reusability, inexpensiveness, and single-pilot operations.

The AH-64D is especially more lethal, as it sports an AN/APG-78 Longbow fire control radar.  Wikipedia does an excellent job of summarizing its effectiveness:

The raised position of the radome enables the detection of targets and launching of missiles while the helicopter is behind obstacles (e.g. terrain, trees or buildings). The AN/APG-78 is capable of simultaneously tracking 128 targets and engaging the 16 most dangerous ones, and can initiate an attack within 30 seconds, while passing data on the other targets to other Longbow Apaches via data link.

The Ka-50 has no onboard radar.  The upcoming AH-64E will have Link 16 support (advanced datalink capability), whereas the datalink on the Ka-50 is primitive and supports basic intraflight target-sharing only.

The AH-64 has an advanced integrated helmet display allowing the pilot to quickly locate and fire on targets.  The Ka-50 supports only a basic helmet-mounted sight that he can use to visually acquire targets and train guns with, without radar or FLIR/thermal imaging overlays.

The AH-64's nose-mounted sensor system includes a FLIR for night-attack targeting; Ka-50 pilots can wear night vision goggles but the onboard optical targeting system (the I-251 "Shkval") does not have infrared capability, limiting the effective range of Ka-50 nighttime attacks.  Meanwhile, an AH-64 can "fire a Hellfire through a window four miles away at night," according to Gen. Steiner.

For self-defense, the Apache Longbow radar can detect and identify incoming missiles, and the Ground Fire Acquisition System (GFAS) can optically detect ground fire directed at the aircraft.  The Ka-50 has only a simple laser warning receiver and two flare dispensers.

The Ka-50 does have a few advantages over the AH-64, though.  It's simplicity means it's cheaper to build (although only 16 were ever built), and it is designed as the only single-pilot attack helicopter.  Still, pilot skill notwithstanding, the AH-64 is the clear winner in the battle of technologies.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:30:11 PM EDT
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A more direct comparison would be with the Mil-28

Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:39:42 PM EDT
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Wasn't the KA supposed to be an anti helicopter platform
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:40:17 PM EDT
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Consider that Russia's Ka-52 fleet is smaller than the RAF's Apache fleet.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:40:35 PM EDT
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Found this:

It compares very favorably.  The AH-64 has an advanced targeting and weapons suite, far moreso than the Ka-50, which instead focuses on reusability, inexpensiveness, and single-pilot operations.

The AH-64D is especially more lethal, as it sports an AN/APG-78 Longbow fire control radar.  Wikipedia does an excellent job of summarizing its effectiveness:

The raised position of the radome enables the detection of targets and launching of missiles while the helicopter is behind obstacles (e.g. terrain, trees or buildings). The AN/APG-78 is capable of simultaneously tracking 128 targets and engaging the 16 most dangerous ones, and can initiate an attack within 30 seconds, while passing data on the other targets to other Longbow Apaches via data link.

The Ka-50 has no onboard radar.  The upcoming AH-64E will have Link 16 support (advanced datalink capability), whereas the datalink on the Ka-50 is primitive and supports basic intraflight target-sharing only.

The AH-64 has an advanced integrated helmet display allowing the pilot to quickly locate and fire on targets.  The Ka-50 supports only a basic helmet-mounted sight that he can use to visually acquire targets and train guns with, without radar or FLIR/thermal imaging overlays.

The AH-64's nose-mounted sensor system includes a FLIR for night-attack targeting; Ka-50 pilots can wear night vision goggles but the onboard optical targeting system (the I-251 "Shkval") does not have infrared capability, limiting the effective range of Ka-50 nighttime attacks.  Meanwhile, an AH-64 can "fire a Hellfire through a window four miles away at night," according to Gen. Steiner.

For self-defense, the Apache Longbow radar can detect and identify incoming missiles, and the Ground Fire Acquisition System (GFAS) can optically detect ground fire directed at the aircraft.  The Ka-50 has only a simple laser warning receiver and two flare dispensers.

The Ka-50 does have a few advantages over the AH-64, though.  It's simplicity means it's cheaper to build (although only 16 were ever built), and it is designed as the only single-pilot attack helicopter.  Still, pilot skill notwithstanding, the AH-64 is the clear winner in the battle of technologies.
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You are describing the KA's series a they were when originally tested/fielded. The current production model KA52 has all the bells and whistles. Thales, Raphael, IAI, and Angusta provided Russia with all the modern capabilities they lacked in electronics. Just like the advanced electronic suites found on the T90M and T14  armata tanks, they were sold TDP's for all types of advanced weapons which Russian now produces.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 1:06:37 PM EDT
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You are describing the KA's series a they were when originally tested/fielded. The current production model KA52 has all the bells and whistles. Thales, Raphael, IAI, and Angusta provided Russia with all the modern capabilities they lacked in electronics. Just like the advanced electronic suites found on the T90M and T14  armata tanks, they were sold TDP's for all types of advanced weapons which Russian now produces.
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And describing the 64D, the 64E is insane
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 1:11:44 PM EDT
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Dang!  Never seen it on paper before, wow is an understatement.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 1:15:41 PM EDT
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I do work on them EVERYDAY, but what do I know.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 1:25:59 PM EDT
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So they just kind of cling to their targets?
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Rad.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 1:29:44 PM EDT
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Found this:

It compares very favorably.  The AH-64 has an advanced targeting and weapons suite, far moreso than the Ka-50, which instead focuses on reusability, inexpensiveness, and single-pilot operations.

The AH-64D is especially more lethal, as it sports an AN/APG-78 Longbow fire control radar.  Wikipedia does an excellent job of summarizing its effectiveness:

The raised position of the radome enables the detection of targets and launching of missiles while the helicopter is behind obstacles (e.g. terrain, trees or buildings). The AN/APG-78 is capable of simultaneously tracking 128 targets and engaging the 16 most dangerous ones, and can initiate an attack within 30 seconds, while passing data on the other targets to other Longbow Apaches via data link.

The Ka-50 has no onboard radar.  The upcoming AH-64E will have Link 16 support (advanced datalink capability), whereas the datalink on the Ka-50 is primitive and supports basic intraflight target-sharing only.

The AH-64 has an advanced integrated helmet display allowing the pilot to quickly locate and fire on targets.  The Ka-50 supports only a basic helmet-mounted sight that he can use to visually acquire targets and train guns with, without radar or FLIR/thermal imaging overlays.

The AH-64's nose-mounted sensor system includes a FLIR for night-attack targeting; Ka-50 pilots can wear night vision goggles but the onboard optical targeting system (the I-251 "Shkval") does not have infrared capability, limiting the effective range of Ka-50 nighttime attacks.  Meanwhile, an AH-64 can "fire a Hellfire through a window four miles away at night," according to Gen. Steiner.

For self-defense, the Apache Longbow radar can detect and identify incoming missiles, and the Ground Fire Acquisition System (GFAS) can optically detect ground fire directed at the aircraft.  The Ka-50 has only a simple laser warning receiver and two flare dispensers.

The Ka-50 does have a few advantages over the AH-64, though.  It's simplicity means it's cheaper to build (although only 16 were ever built), and it is designed as the only single-pilot attack helicopter.  Still, pilot skill notwithstanding, the AH-64 is the clear winner in the battle of technologies.
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The Link 16 thing really seems like an absolutely revolutionary network if it can be kept secure and connected.
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 12:05:02 AM EDT
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Thank you for your service.
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 12:06:48 AM EDT
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Sounds like some of the same tech stuff  the fighter planes have.
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