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Posted: 4/30/2017 8:59:43 AM EDT
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This is GD, not Harvard. Also, you're supposed to capitalize English. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you use normal english? Is it good or bad? Bunch of snowflakes. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:07:40 AM EDT
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I'm seeing a trend of other makers coming out with better design guns than Glock. Glocks design is long in the tooth. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:24:24 AM EDT
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Sunday morning sacrilege
I like it. Need to find a 2.0 I can fondle. Was thinking about getting a G34 but might get a 2.0 with the long barrel instead. Murican Made. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:37:40 AM EDT
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I'm seeing a trend of other makers coming out with better design guns than Glock. Glocks design is long in the tooth. Glock needs to introduce some new and more up to date products. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:57:15 AM EDT
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And my HK..P30..shits on your S&W.. I like the P30, I'm about to stuff one into my pants to carry today (like just about every day), but while HK makes a great gun, their triggers suck. Their DA sucks (long, gritty, heavy), C&L SA is something a 1911 does better, and the LEM (my favorite by the way) is bettered by the LEM in the USP series with its shorter reset. The P30 LEM is improved with the use of the V4.1 parts, but still could use the shorter reset of the USP. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:11:11 AM EDT
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Now go spend a bazillion dollars to fix the trigger.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:19:32 AM EDT
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Only 3 pages in 11 hours?
This thread has amazing b8 potential 
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:30:26 AM EDT
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Trigger still sucks. I own and carry both designs. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:40:02 AM EDT
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Now go spend a bazillion dollars to fix the trigger. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:40:25 AM EDT
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I really don't get this. It's WAY better than the staple gun trigger on a Glock and nobody seems to worry about that. The design of the M&P also gives far greater options for "upgradeability". Swap out your connector on a Glock and you just end up with a lighter staple gun. Swap in an APEX sear and you can completely transform the M&P. I own and carry both designs. But most people don't buy then because Glock trigger is pretty damn good already. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:40:54 AM EDT
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I really don't get this. It's WAY better than the staple gun trigger on a Glock and nobody seems to worry about that. The design of the M&P also gives far greater options for "upgradeability". Swap out your connector on a Glock and you just end up with a lighter staple gun. Swap in an APEX sear and you can completely transform the M&P. I own and carry both designs. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:44:03 AM EDT
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You do realize they make triggers for Glock too, right? But most people don't buy then because Glock trigger is pretty damn good already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really don't get this. It's WAY better than the staple gun trigger on a Glock and nobody seems to worry about that. The design of the M&P also gives far greater options for "upgradeability". Swap out your connector on a Glock and you just end up with a lighter staple gun. Swap in an APEX sear and you can completely transform the M&P. I own and carry both designs. But most people don't buy then because Glock trigger is pretty damn good already. But even with a "pretty ok" trigger I can outshoot guns with actual pretty damn good triggers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:47:04 AM EDT
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Pretty damn good is a bit of a stretch. But even with a "pretty ok" trigger I can outshoot guns with actual pretty damn good triggers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:53:14 AM EDT
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I have a VP9. The petty squabbling of the peasants beneath amuses me. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:53:53 AM EDT
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Battle of the McPistols.
IMO, if I was gonna roll a McPistol, it'd probably be a safety equipped M&P 45 2.0 with some Apex kit in it though. But, every poly framed striker gun pales in comparison to a 1911, S&W 39/5904/439/3913/3914/5906/etc, FN Hi-Power, Beretta 92, SIG P229, SIG P210, CZ-75, or something like that. But I suppose if I had to roll one, it'd be an M&P 45 2.0. Either that or a USP 9 Compact with their match trigger kits, and aftermarket sights. A SIG 2022 with aftermarket sights would be high on that list too. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:04:09 AM EDT
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I had a M&P with APEX. My foctory polished glock trigger is better. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:07:36 AM EDT
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you clearly did not have an M&P set up with the full APEX kit then. You may have had an apex part or 2 but not the whole set up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a M&P with APEX. My foctory polished glock trigger is better. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:10:20 AM EDT
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This and the VP9. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And my HK..P30..shits on your S&W.. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:12:30 AM EDT
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It's better than a stock Glock trigger and Apex parts get it real pretty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trigger still sucks. There is nothing you can do to that stupid hinged trigger except replace it. If M&Ps are so fantastic why does the trigger get replaced in almost every one? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:15:51 AM EDT
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I had a M&P with APEX. My foctory polished glock trigger is better. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:21:40 AM EDT
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CZ Master Race. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:27:14 AM EDT
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You do realize they make triggers for Glock too, right? But most people don't buy then because Glock trigger is pretty damn good already. 
Glock triggers are not particularly good, and replacing them is an act of futility. There's something inherent in the design that just doesn't seem to make for a particularly good trigger. I've even played with some full retard $2k+ Glocks, and they still have mediocre triggers. The trigger on a bone stock PPQ or P320 handily beats even the best Glock triggers I've ever played with. M&Ps suffer from some variation in production, but I've played with some pretty awesome M&Ps triggers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:35:53 AM EDT
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I really don't get this. It's WAY better than the staple gun trigger on a Glock and nobody seems to worry about that. The design of the M&P also gives far greater options for "upgradeability". Swap out your connector on a Glock and you just end up with a lighter staple gun. Swap in an APEX sear and you can completely transform the M&P. I own and carry both designs. One has trigger time on several makes of guns and has decided that glock works best for them. The other is just following the recommendation of their favorite internet celebrity. When Haley and Costa were pimping M&P 45s, those same guys were snatching them up and proclaiming them to be the greatest gun ever. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:56:50 AM EDT
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I've given the M&P two tries at liking it, I'll NEVER be suckered by S&W again! My Gen4 G17 Shits on ALL autos S&W makes, or will make FOREVER! They should merge with Ruger, and together they could make the Biggest Pile of SHIT in the world!
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:59:43 AM EDT
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I purchased a 5" M&P 2.0 9mm today in fde.
Threw it directly into the garbage can where it belongs. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:00:11 PM EDT
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you clearly did not have an M&P set up with the full APEX kit then. You may have had an apex part or 2 but not the whole set up. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:02:31 PM EDT
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Tried two different new 1.0s and got tired of the poor accuracy. I had a beat to hell M&p40 that I liked though. For some reason it was accurate and it had a terrible trigger. I like my .22 M&p too, but I am sticking with glocks for 9mm.
Recoil is definitely softer on an M&p than a Glock though. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:03:34 PM EDT
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That just makes it better than crap. Which is "ok" |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:08:08 PM EDT
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ooooh, we stirred up the fanbois tonight! 
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:10:30 PM EDT
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When has being shit on ever been good? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It completely shits on Glocks at this point. Can you use normal english? Is it good or bad?
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:12:55 PM EDT
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I have no problem shooting with them. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:14:24 PM EDT
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I always liked the M&P, but my sweat rusted the mag catch shut. The accuracy of the full size models left something to be desired. Is this going to turn into yet another "butthurt Glock owners make up shit about S&W" thread again? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:16:28 PM EDT
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My 1.0 9mm never had any accuracy issues. Or any issues at all, really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many trips back to the factory to get your 1.0 9mm to shoot straight? Did they ever resolve the 9mm accuracy issues w/ the 1.0? No accuracy issues w/ my 17.2, 19.3, 22.3 RTF2, or 19.4. No dead trigger, no BTF, no FTE.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:16:42 PM EDT
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When has being shit on ever been good? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:19:21 PM EDT
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That's damn impressive considering it's plastic. Is this going to turn into yet another "butthurt Glock owners make up shit about S&W" thread again? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:19:49 PM EDT
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Like I said above. I shoot my g19 better than nearly anything. It's got a $15 ghost connector in it. I don't think it has a nice trigger though. But the M&P's trigger and accuracy is garbage. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:19:57 PM EDT
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And my HK..P30..shits on your S&W.. 
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:25:35 PM EDT
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XDM. Hands down, the best. ESPECIALLY the 3.8 compact.
XDMs have: Best factory trigger. Best aftermarket trigger(s). Best capacity. Most accurate. And the best snarky comments from the haters who have never fired one. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:30:04 PM EDT
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Let me sum these threads into one post.
Why my pistol is better than yours. M&P: Everything Glock wishes/should be Glock: Because it's a Glock. HK: Go be poor somewhere else. CZ: Master race. SA: It seems like it works. Walther: Best stock trigger evah! Steel DA/SA: Plastic is bullshit. 1911: Moses. One revolver guy: I've never felt under gunned. Did I miss any? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:32:24 PM EDT
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Glock really needs to update its product line in order to keep up with those currently offered by competing companies. For one thing, Glock needs to offer some new, more ergonomic pistols, including guns that don't require them to be "fired" as part of the disassembly process. They really need some totally new products since they no longer own the market anymore.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:32:44 PM EDT
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I got my G19 off a buddy. He hand polished everything in it and has a ghost. The trigger in that gun is more than acceptable. I mean it's no 1911 with hair trigger but I don't really want that in a gun that I also carry sometimes. But the M&P's trigger and accuracy is garbage. Mine shoot better than I do. 25 yards offhand 9mm 
25 yards with 45 ACP. 
I have both M&Ps and a G20. Get what ever works but to act like the M&P is a mess is a bit silly. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:36:19 PM EDT
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And here I thought there wouldn't be a good purse fight in GD today.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:40:06 PM EDT
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According to the internet some 9mm M&P were pretty poor in the accuracy dept. Mine shoot better than I do. 25 yards offhand 9mm http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/DSC00323_zpsc077c106.jpg 25 yards with 45 ACP. http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/6b7b3a0f.jpg I have both M&Ps and a G20. Get what ever works but to act like the M&P is a mess is a bit silly. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:40:31 PM EDT
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Mine shoot better than I do. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:40:43 PM EDT
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Glock triggers are not particularly good, and replacing them is an act of futility. There's something inherent in the design that just doesn't seem to make for a particularly good trigger. I've even played with some full retard $2k+ Glocks, and they still have mediocre triggers. The trigger on a bone stock PPQ or P320 handily beats even the best Glock triggers I've ever played with. M&Ps suffer from some variation in production, but I've played with some pretty awesome M&Ps triggers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:17:28 PM EDT
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You forgot the barrel being crappy and having your shot pattern look like it was done with a shotgun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is that before or after it has Failures to feed ? Is that before or after it has Failures to Eject ? Is that before or after it has Failures to Extract ? Is that before or after it the front sight pops out ? Just curious.  
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:18:54 PM EDT
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According to the internet some 9mm M&P were pretty poor in the accuracy dept. Mine shoot better than I do. 25 yards offhand 9mm http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/DSC00323_zpsc077c106.jpg 25 yards with 45 ACP. http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/6b7b3a0f.jpg I have both M&Ps and a G20. Get what ever works but to act like the M&P is a mess is a bit silly. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:32:12 PM EDT
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I remember seeing a picture of a M&P that didn't even have rifling. 
I don't doubt that more than a few 9mm M&Ps had accuracy issues but that does appear to be 4 or 5 years in the past. OP is trying to stir the pot but there really are quite a few good options in the plastic pistol market. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:34:09 PM EDT
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But... But... But Glock just added front serrations
  Silly Glock.
ETA: for the record my VTAC M&P9 shoots fantastic and the Apex trigger makes it even better. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:34:45 PM EDT
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I shot my Dad's M&P 1.0 at 7 yards. I had to "Kentucky Windage" like 8 inches left of the bullseye in order to make hits there.
Took out my brand new, never used before HK USP .45T and all my rounds pretty much hit where I was aiming. Without any sight adjustment.
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