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Wasn't there another famous porn star that actually went on to be a preacher of some sort?
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No it isn't. Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing. You might want to look up the word scandalous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think the only difference is that her sin is public. If she were an intemperant, overeating, slothful blasphemer with a temper, several divorces, and was having regular sex with her boyfriend, she'd go under the radar because that's everybody these days. She's in trouble because she's not low key. You might want to look up the word scandalous. |
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Well, her sin is worse, or rather, she won't stop. I bet nobody else in the congregation has sex out of wedlock. That's not something christians do. They might slip up once or twice, but they go back to celibacy before marriage, right? Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Her sin reminds them of their sins. So instead of welcoming her and the whole congregation work together to reduce their sinful lifestyles, they would prefer to push her out and point fingers. It's much easier than admitting she is no less a Christian than them. Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church? |
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No it isn't. Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing. You might want to look up the word scandalous. View Quote Are you saying it's righteous to judge sin based on its publicness rather than it's nature? I can fuck before marriage but I can't cause a scandal? |
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That's my point. The public nature of her sin is what they object to. Equal sin, done more low key would not be an issue. Are you saying it's righteous to judge sin based on its publicness rather than it's nature? I can fuck before marriage but I can't cause a scandal? View Quote |
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Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos? hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late. View Quote Ever have pre-marital sex? Because I think it's your bad example that's made me do it too. |
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Her stated position is inconsistent with the information available on the subject.
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No it isn't. Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing. You might want to look up the word scandalous. View Quote |
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Yes it was. I get it, you're comfortable with some sin and not others. Hopefully for you your sky fairy agrees. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No it isn't. Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing. You might want to look up the word scandalous. THIS woman was justified in the eyes of God. If you can't see the difference between them, then I understand why you might feel disconnected from God. Luke 7:36-50 A Woman Washes Jesus’ Feet 36 One of the Pharisees asked Jesus to eat with him, so Jesus went into the Pharisee’s house and sat at the table. 37 A sinful woman in the town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house. So she brought an alabaster jar of perfume 38 and stood behind Jesus at his feet, crying. She began to wash his feet with her tears, and she dried them with her hair, kissing them many times and rubbing them with the perfume. 39 When the Pharisee who asked Jesus to come to his house saw this, he thought to himself, “If Jesus were a prophet, he would know that the woman touching him is a sinner!” 40 Jesus said to the Pharisee, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” Simon said, “Teacher, tell me.” 41 Jesus said, “Two people owed money to the same banker. One owed five hundred coins[a] and the other owed fifty. 42 They had no money to pay what they owed, but the banker told both of them they did not have to pay him. Which person will love the banker more?” 43 Simon, the Pharisee, answered, “I think it would be the one who owed him the most money.” Jesus said to Simon, “You are right.” 44 Then Jesus turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? When I came into your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she washed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss of greeting, but she has been kissing my feet since I came in. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she poured perfume on my feet. 47 I tell you that her many sins are forgiven, so she showed great love. But the person who is forgiven only a little will love only a little.” 48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 The people sitting at the table began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” 50 Jesus said to the woman, “Because you believed, you are saved from your sins. Go in peace.” |
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Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos? hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think the only difference is that her sin is public. If she were an intemperant, overeating, slothful blasphemer with a temper, several divorces, and was having regular sex with her boyfriend, she'd go under the radar because that's everybody these days. She's in trouble because she's not low key. You might want to look up the word scandalous. |
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Porn star and evangelical Christian are not the same. Is it possible she is saved? Yes. But sportfucking either for free or for money is not the mission of an evangelical Christian. And if she thinks they are compatible she is wrong. Part of acceptance is repentance and part of repentance is to strive to avoid sin. She is embracing it. View Quote |
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So it is the chicks fault men seek out her work? No. It is not her fault some men can't keep their dick out of their hand. She is responsible for her demons. Not the willful sinning of others. View Quote |
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Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church? View Quote There's nothing wrong with sex. There's is something very wrong with adopting a belief structure that limits sex to marriage and then deliberately violating your own adopted belief structures rules. It shows low moral character and lack of discipline. |
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What about fatties? Gluttony is a sin. Do they have to slim down? Can a current overeater be a part of a congregation? Most christians seem to embrace the gluttonous lifestyle and not be fighting their inclination. Same for cussing, sloth, pre marital sex, and porn consumption. Unrepentant. How is her sin different? View Quote |
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Theologically speaking you are incorrect. She is not innocent of inciting their lust, or of her role in their fall. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So it is the chicks fault men seek out her work? No. It is not her fault some men can't keep their dick out of their hand. She is responsible for her demons. Not the willful sinning of others. |
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LOL Religion. A toss up between tyrannical governments and religion killing more people...
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They can't use that against others. View Quote |
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Do you see a difference between trying to live up to Christian standards and failing, versus deliberate conduct like choosing to sit on a dick or fuck your neighbors wife? View Quote |
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So doesn't that mean all Christians are hypocritical assholes? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I think what we're asking is are they even trying? Because none of the christians I know are even trying to not fuck before marriage. They're just not selling videos of it. View Quote |
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Theologically speaking you are incorrect. She is not innocent of inciting their lust, or of her role in their fall. View Quote And this is why a belief system that criminalizes thoughts and feelings is ridiculous. |
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You don't need to bore into the heart of a tree to see if it's good. Just look at the fruit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I'd like to see her missionary work. We can hold hands at church next week! |
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Nice love you too, maximum homo. We can hold hands at church next week! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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only if there will be deep tonge kissing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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That's my point. The public nature of her sin is what they object to. Equal sin, done more low key would not be an issue. Are you saying it's righteous to judge sin based on its publicness rather than it's nature? I can fuck before marriage but I can't cause a scandal? View Quote People in church congregations do all kinds of shit that is against the rules. Most of the time they rationalize it away just like every other human being who breaks the rules. Generally speaking, though, they don't put video of the acts up on the internet. Plausible deniability is key. True story time: I go to a church some of my extended family attends for a holiday service. I meet their new "minister of music". Dude is as gay as gay can be. I mention this to my family members who are horrified i would say such a thing about him. (This denomination isn't cool with the homosexual lifestyle) He's arrested 8 months later working a glory hole in a public park. Then it becomes an issue. This despite the fact that I was also pretty sure he was fucking at least one other dude in the congregation based on watching their interactions. But those didn't become a matter of public record due to arrest. There's levels. There's the stuff people hide well, then there's the people who don't want to look too closely to find. But if you video it and put it on the web where all can see, it kills the plausible deniability and forces the hand. And that has to be shame-shamed the hardest and most vociferously in furtherance of all the rationalization going on about the other shit. |
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Meh. Evangelicals are always bitching about something. Easy to tune them out.
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The term you are looking for here is plausible deniability. People in church congregations do all kinds of shit that is against the rules. Most of the time they rationalize it away just like every other human being who breaks the rules. Generally speaking, though, they don't put video of the acts up on the internet. Plausible deniability is key. *snip* View Quote |
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"20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways."
Revelation 2:20-22 This is a great example of God's wrath towards sin. We live in a world ruled by the prince of darkness (Satan), which is why God sent Jesus to die for us - as a propitiation for our sins, and so that we could have a relationship with God. If we do not accept Jesus as Lord, our sins are not wiped clean, and we are judged. All Christians are men, we are all idiots - just like non-Christians. The difference is that we love God. When we sin sexually, we are having an affair against the One we love. God does not say "Go and sin, then ask for forgiveness." God says "Go and sin no more" and "Live holy". Jesus told his disciples to give up everything they have to follow Him. It's not just a commitment, it's a lifestyle - a mantle we gladly accept because we love God. I don't cast judgment on this woman. I am a sinner just as she is. We would both be judged with the full wrath of God, but God so loved us that He sent Jesus. I just hope that she accepts Jesus, and finds new life in Him. |
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Yes, and they are hypocrites. There's nothing wrong with sex. There's is something very wrong with adopting a belief structure that limits sex to marriage and then deliberately violating your own adopted belief structures rules. It shows low moral character and lack of discipline. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church? There's nothing wrong with sex. There's is something very wrong with adopting a belief structure that limits sex to marriage and then deliberately violating your own adopted belief structures rules. It shows low moral character and lack of discipline. As Christians, we should be focused on the race that we are running, not what the persons beside us are doing. Those that aren't striving to be pleasing to Christ and more like him each day are NOT by definition, Christians, no matter what they call themselves. The Christian bashing that goes on here, and holding Christians up and proclaiming them to be hypocrites is highly comparable to what liberals do to conservatives and is laid out as a tactic by Rules for Radicals. Hold them up to an impossible standard and ridicule them for it, make them own it. The difference here being that true Christians acknowledge that there is only one perfect person and he was slain, resurrected, and ascended to heaven, alive and victorious over hell and the grave. The best warrior, leader, and strongest man of moral fibre to ever walk the planet. We can ridicule and question God's rules and the facts laid out in the Bible all we want, but you can either choose to live the life prescribed in the Bible and accept the Holy Spirit and all the love that comes with it, or you can choose to be judged by your maker and hope for the best. As far me, I am an asshole. I'm tryin to be a Christian, but I'd just as soon hang my Holy Ghost on a coat-hook and meet a man in the parking lot as to pray for him. I work on my temper daily. I grew up swinging fists and butting heads and it's a hard habit to break. I'll tell you this though. In the last few months, my life has been flipped upside down and things have happened to me, deeply disturbing personal things that I won't go into with anyone other than my wife that has awakened me to the fact that there is, in fact, a living God that has taken an interest in me. And it terrifies me that I won't be able to live up to what I'm looking down the barrel of. I've felt over-whelming love, I've experience miracles in my life that cannot be explained. I've set out on a journey and have no idea of where it will lead, only that he now has my full, undivided, lying prostrate on the floor prayin, attention. It's easy to set back in the audience and watch Christians falling, getting up again, and falling back down. Until you set foot in the ring, there will be no respect for your total lack of effort. I can tell you already, the fight is worth it. |
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Meanwhile, in this thread we get to see the biblethumpers thump as hard as they can possibly thump.
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Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos? hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think the only difference is that her sin is public. If she were an intemperant, overeating, slothful blasphemer with a temper, several divorces, and was having regular sex with her boyfriend, she'd go under the radar because that's everybody these days. She's in trouble because she's not low key. You might want to look up the word scandalous. Even all the photos in the article only Google image search back to the articles. |
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ITT: The religion/sect people were brainwashed into believing before they were able to tie their shoelaces is the right one.
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Sure it does, and lumping all folks into one category displays a lack of common sense, or just outright stupidity. Christianity is not about the person, it's about Christ. Striving to be better each and every day as laid out by the example of Jesus Christ. Judging other people whether you are a Christian or not and holding them to any standard at all falls outside what it means to be a Christian. Like Jesus himself said, "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone." And "Go and sin no more". We strive to do that each and every day. View Quote |
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