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Link Posted: 4/30/2017 10:38:22 AM EDT
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Wasn't there another famous porn star that actually went on to be a preacher of some sort?



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Link Posted: 4/30/2017 10:48:10 AM EDT
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No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

You might want to look up the word scandalous.
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I think the only difference is that her sin is public. If she were an intemperant, overeating, slothful blasphemer with a temper, several divorces, and was having regular sex with her boyfriend, she'd go under the radar because that's everybody these days. She's in trouble because she's not low key.
Well said.
No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

You might want to look up the word scandalous.
Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos?  hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 10:51:04 AM EDT
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Well, her sin is worse, or rather, she won't stop. I bet nobody else in the congregation has sex out of wedlock. That's not something christians do. They might slip up once or twice, but they go back to celibacy before marriage, right?

Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church?
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Her sin reminds them of their sins. So instead of welcoming her and the whole congregation work together to reduce their sinful lifestyles, they would prefer to push her out and point fingers. It's much easier than admitting she is no less a Christian than them.
Well, her sin is worse, or rather, she won't stop. I bet nobody else in the congregation has sex out of wedlock. That's not something christians do. They might slip up once or twice, but they go back to celibacy before marriage, right?

Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church?
Like, everyone
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:05:01 AM EDT
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No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

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That's my point. The public nature of her sin is what they object to. Equal sin, done more low key would not be an issue.

Are you saying it's righteous to judge sin based on its publicness rather than it's nature? I can fuck before marriage but I can't cause a scandal?
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:07:15 AM EDT
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That's my point. The public nature of her sin is what they object to. Equal sin, done more low key would not be an issue.

Are you saying it's righteous to judge sin based on its publicness rather than it's nature? I can fuck before marriage but I can't cause a scandal?
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You should be able to answer that question.  Give it a go.
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Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos?  hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late.
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Your avatar is leading me to warlike-ness. And your example is making me think I can eat man-size meals and making me fat.

Ever have pre-marital sex? Because I think it's your bad example that's made me do it too.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:10:26 AM EDT
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Go and sin no more.........she missed that part.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:12:41 AM EDT
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I can't put words in your mouth.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:19:24 AM EDT
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Her stated position is inconsistent with the information available on the subject.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 11:48:56 AM EDT
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No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

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Yes it was.  I get it,  you're comfortable with some sin and not others.  Hopefully for you your sky fairy agrees.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:18:08 PM EDT
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Yes it was.  I get it,  you're comfortable with some sin and not others.  Hopefully for you your sky fairy agrees.
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No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

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Yes it was.  I get it,  you're comfortable with some sin and not others.  Hopefully for you your sky fairy agrees.
You  can be as obtuse as you like.

THIS woman was justified in the  eyes of God.

If you can't see the difference between them, then I understand why you might feel disconnected from God.


Luke 7:36-50

A Woman Washes Jesus’ Feet

36 One of the Pharisees asked Jesus to eat with him, so Jesus went into the Pharisee’s house and sat at the table. 37 A sinful woman in the town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house. So she brought an alabaster jar of perfume 38 and stood behind Jesus at his feet, crying. She began to wash his feet with her tears, and she dried them with her hair, kissing them many times and rubbing them with the perfume. 39 When the Pharisee who asked Jesus to come to his house saw this, he thought to himself, “If Jesus were a prophet, he would know that the woman touching him is a sinner!”

40 Jesus said to the Pharisee, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

Simon said, “Teacher, tell me.”

41 Jesus said, “Two people owed money to the same banker. One owed five hundred coins[a] and the other owed fifty. 42 They had no money to pay what they owed, but the banker told both of them they did not have to pay him. Which person will love the banker more?”

43 Simon, the Pharisee, answered, “I think it would be the one who owed him the most money.”

Jesus said to Simon, “You are right.” 44 Then Jesus turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? When I came into your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she washed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss of greeting, but she has been kissing my feet since I came in. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she poured perfume on my feet. 47 I tell you that her many sins are forgiven, so she showed great love. But the person who is forgiven only a little will love only a little.”

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The people sitting at the table began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Because you believed, you are saved from your sins. Go in peace.”
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:20:36 PM EDT
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Religion brings out the sanity in all of us : )
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:21:51 PM EDT
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Sloots gonna sloot.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:23:42 PM EDT
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Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos?  hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late.
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I think the only difference is that her sin is public. If she were an intemperant, overeating, slothful blasphemer with a temper, several divorces, and was having regular sex with her boyfriend, she'd go under the radar because that's everybody these days. She's in trouble because she's not low key.
Well said.
No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

You might want to look up the word scandalous.
Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos?  hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late.
So it is the chicks fault men seek out her work?  No. It is not her fault some men can't keep their dick out of their hand. She is responsible for her demons. Not the willful sinning of others. This line of thinking is why churches are becoming it's own worst enemy. A lot of Christians are in for a rude awakening on judgement day. As a kid I couldn't figure out why god would go all revelation on everyone. As an adult I completely understand. Humans are losing their compassion. We are a hate filled, judgemental, self serving people. We will be judged on how we treat our fellow man. I have come to terms with the fact there is most likely no spot in heaven for me. I dont deserve to be anywhere near there, but I bet where ever I'm going it will be filled with a bunch of self proclaimed Christians who spent life judging and ridiculing others. My 2 cents.   
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:38:45 PM EDT
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Porn star and evangelical Christian are not the same.  Is it possible she is saved?  Yes.  But sportfucking either for free or for money is not the mission of an evangelical Christian.  And if she thinks they are compatible she is wrong.

Part of acceptance is repentance and part of repentance is to strive to avoid sin.  She is embracing it.
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You are right. But my experience with born again Christian women is they are hypocrites that don't walk the walk.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:41:09 PM EDT
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Sure, but it makes you a hypocritical asshole. But other Christians will defend you with cute sayings like "all sin is equal" or "you only find sick people in the hospital"
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So it is the chicks fault men seek out her work?  No. It is not her fault some men can't keep their dick out of their hand. She is responsible for her demons. Not the willful sinning of others.  
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Theologically speaking you are incorrect.  She is not innocent of inciting their lust, or of her role in their fall.
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Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church?
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Yes, and they are hypocrites.

There's nothing wrong with sex. There's is something very wrong with adopting a belief structure that limits sex to marriage and then deliberately violating your own adopted belief structures rules. It shows low moral character and lack of discipline.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 12:47:32 PM EDT
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Sure, but it makes you a hypocritical asshole. But other Christians will defend you with cute sayings like "all sin is equal" or "you only find sick people in the hospital"
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So doesn't that mean all Christians are hypocritical assholes?
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What about fatties? Gluttony is a sin. Do they have to slim down? Can a current overeater be a part of a congregation? Most christians seem to embrace the gluttonous lifestyle and not be fighting their inclination. Same for cussing, sloth, pre marital sex, and porn consumption. Unrepentant. How is her sin different?
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They can't use that against others.
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Theologically speaking you are incorrect.  She is not innocent of inciting their lust, or of her role in their fall.
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So it is the chicks fault men seek out her work?  No. It is not her fault some men can't keep their dick out of their hand. She is responsible for her demons. Not the willful sinning of others.  
Theologically speaking you are incorrect.  She is not innocent of inciting their lust, or of her role in their fall.
On she surface maybe. I notice a lot of Christians seem to see everything in black and white. I don't see god as written about in the bible looking at it that way. What led each sinner down that path? She may have had a childhood filled with abuse and absent of love. No one teaching her right from wrong. Peter Beater could be going to church every Sunday. Hell, he could be the clergy. God knows the plan. We don't. Also. What is god gonna do with the mentally handicapped, those never exposed to Christianity, those who turned their back after life crushing tragedy. Those never baptised because of their shitty parents. I really tire of so called Christians pondering God's will in such simple terms, and turning Christianity into some kind of inclusive club. I was brought up Christian but veered off path terribly somewhere many years ago. I'm pretty sure I will be judged harsher than someone who was never led to god. Again, that is my opinion only. You could say I have faith that god is not going to be as easily forgiving to Christians as they all think. And rightfully so. The story of the homeless preacher comes to mind. 
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LOL Religion.  A toss up between tyrannical governments and religion killing more people...
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So, is it possible to be an active sinner and a Christian at the same time?
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That's pretty much everyone who goes to Church.
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So doesn't that mean all Christians are hypocritical assholes?
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They are only "hypocritical" if they condemn others. Believe it or not there ARE Christians who aren't whiney, judgemental pricks.
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They can't use that against others.
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Are you saying that the other sins I listed won't harm others and that her porn will? Because I don't buy that one bit. I have to seek out porn, fatness, laziness, meanness and all the crap I listed is stuff people show you every day. I can't avoid looking at fatties eating shit I won't eat. I have to deal with meanies all the time. Her porn hurts me and influences me the least of all sins.
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That's pretty much everyone who goes to Church.
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Do you see a difference between trying to live up to Christian standards and failing, versus deliberate conduct like choosing to sit on a dick or fuck your neighbors wife?
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Do you see a difference between trying to live up to Christian standards and failing, versus deliberate conduct like choosing to sit on a dick or fuck your neighbors wife?
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I think what we're asking is are they even trying? Because none of the christians I know are even trying to not fuck before marriage. They're just not selling videos of it.
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So doesn't that mean all Christians are hypocritical assholes?
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Sure, but it makes you a hypocritical asshole. But other Christians will defend you with cute sayings like "all sin is equal" or "you only find sick people in the hospital"
So doesn't that mean all Christians are hypocritical assholes?
Haven't seen one yet that didn't fit the bill in some fashion. Albeit that might be part of the reason they worship, admitting weakness, etc.
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I think what we're asking is are they even trying? Because none of the christians I know are even trying to not fuck before marriage. They're just not selling videos of it.
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Yep. Shocking the number of women I see on OKC who identify as Christian and mention God in their profiles. Shouldn't they be meeting a nice celibate man at church and waiting until they are married? I swipe left on those because they either live up to their values and don't have sex until marriage or they are hypocrites. Either way it's not someone I want to date.
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Theologically speaking you are incorrect.  She is not innocent of inciting their lust, or of her role in their fall.
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Realistically speaking, only individuals are responsible for their own actions.

And this is why a belief system that criminalizes thoughts and feelings is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 4:49:42 PM EDT
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You don't need to bore into the heart of a tree to see if it's good. Just look at the fruit.
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“I’m a good person at heart and that’s what matters.”
You don't need to bore into the heart of a tree to see if it's good. Just look at the fruit.
Yep
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I'd like to see her missionary work.
so this is where you've been.
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I'd like to see her missionary work.
so this is where you've been.
Been busy bro!
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Been busy bro!
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I'd like to see her missionary work.
so this is where you've been.
Been busy bro!
it's all good. i still love you.
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it's all good. i still love you.
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Been busy bro!
it's all good. i still love you.
Nice love you too, maximum homo.

We can hold hands at church next week!
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Nice love you too, maximum homo.

We can hold hands at church next week!
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Been busy bro!
it's all good. i still love you.
Nice love you too, maximum homo.

We can hold hands at church next week!
only if there will be deep tonge kissing.
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Been busy bro!
it's all good. i still love you.
Nice love you too, maximum homo.

We can hold hands at church next week!
only if there will be deep tonge kissing.
Fuck yea
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Meh.  Evangelicals are always bitching about something.  Easy to tune them out.  
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this is a fundamental issue i have with churches. churches are for saving the sinners not propping up the ego of the saved. they should welcome her home.
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Very well put.
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The term you are looking for here is plausible deniability.

People in church congregations do all kinds of shit that is against the rules. Most of the time they rationalize it away just like every other human being who breaks the rules.

Generally speaking, though, they don't put video of the acts up on the internet.

Plausible deniability is key.

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First, I agree with you. But to me, that makes me respect her more. Instead of sinning behind closed doors she doesn't hide her sin. So she is honest in her sin, and still professes her love for your Christ, but Christians are lined up to reject her.
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"20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways."

Revelation 2:20-22

This is a great example of God's wrath towards sin. We live in a world ruled by the prince of darkness (Satan), which is why God sent Jesus to die for us - as a propitiation for our sins, and so that we could have a relationship with God. If we do not accept Jesus as Lord, our sins are not wiped clean, and we are judged.

All Christians are men, we are all idiots - just like non-Christians. The difference is that we love God. When we sin sexually, we are having an affair against the One we love. God does not say "Go and sin, then ask for forgiveness." God says "Go and sin no more" and "Live holy". Jesus told his disciples to give up everything they have to follow Him. It's not just a commitment, it's a lifestyle - a mantle we gladly accept because we love God.

I don't cast judgment on this woman. I am a sinner just as she is. We would both be judged with the full wrath of God, but God so loved us that He sent Jesus. I just hope that she accepts Jesus, and finds new life in Him.
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Well, this sounds like a party
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Yes, and they are hypocrites.

There's nothing wrong with sex. There's is something very wrong with adopting a belief structure that limits sex to marriage and then deliberately violating your own adopted belief structures rules. It shows low moral character and lack of discipline.
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Does anyone here know of any christians that have sex with dates, girlfriends and fiancées and still call themselves Christian? Still attend church?
Yes, and they are hypocrites.

There's nothing wrong with sex. There's is something very wrong with adopting a belief structure that limits sex to marriage and then deliberately violating your own adopted belief structures rules. It shows low moral character and lack of discipline.
Sure it does, and lumping all folks into one category displays a lack of common sense, or just outright stupidity.  Christianity is not about the person, it's about Christ.  Striving to be better each and every day as laid out by the example of Jesus Christ.  Judging other people whether you are a Christian or not and holding them to any standard at all falls outside what it means to be a Christian.  Like Jesus himself said, "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone."  And "Go and sin no more".  We strive to do that each and every day.  You, and every other person on the planet sins, we all know this and we all should be striving to help one another.

As Christians, we should be focused on the race that we are running, not what the persons beside us are doing.  Those that aren't striving to be pleasing to Christ and more like him each day are NOT by definition, Christians, no matter what they call themselves. 

The Christian bashing that goes on here, and holding Christians up and proclaiming them to be hypocrites is highly comparable to what liberals do to conservatives and is laid out as a tactic by Rules for Radicals.  Hold them up to an impossible standard and ridicule them for it, make them own it.  The difference here being that true Christians acknowledge that there is only one perfect person and he was slain, resurrected, and ascended to heaven, alive and victorious over hell and the grave.  The best warrior, leader, and strongest man of moral fibre to ever walk the planet. We can ridicule and question God's rules and the facts laid out in the Bible all we want, but you can either choose to live the life prescribed in the Bible and accept the Holy Spirit and all the love that comes with it, or you can choose to be judged by your maker and hope for the best. 
As far me, I am an asshole.  I'm tryin to be a Christian, but I'd just as soon hang my Holy Ghost on a coat-hook and meet a man in the parking lot as to pray for him.  I work on my temper daily.  I grew up swinging fists and butting heads and it's a hard habit to break.  I'll tell you this though.  In the last few months, my life has been flipped upside down and things have happened to me, deeply disturbing personal things that I won't go into with anyone other than my wife that has awakened me to the fact that there is, in fact, a living God that has taken an interest in me.  And it terrifies me that I won't be able to live up to what I'm looking down the barrel of.  I've felt over-whelming love, I've experience miracles in my life that cannot be explained.  I've set out on a journey and have no idea of where it will lead, only that he now has my full, undivided, lying prostrate on the floor prayin, attention. 

It's easy to set  back in the audience and watch Christians falling, getting up again, and falling back down.  Until you set foot in the ring, there will be no respect for your total lack of effort. I can tell you already, the fight is worth it.
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Meanwhile, in this thread we get to see the biblethumpers thump as hard as they can possibly thump.

Hilarious!
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Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos?  hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late.
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I think the only difference is that her sin is public. If she were an intemperant, overeating, slothful blasphemer with a temper, several divorces, and was having regular sex with her boyfriend, she'd go under the radar because that's everybody these days. She's in trouble because she's not low key.
Well said.
No it isn't.  Everyone sins, it is true, but there is far more at work here, and it would involve the intrinsically willful and public nature of her failing.

You might want to look up the word scandalous.
Good point. How many young girls are going to be led astray by her poor example? How many men are led into impurity from viewing her videos?  hundreds? thousands? She will be held to account for all those lost souls someday if she doesn't repent and make sacrifice before its too late.
Speaking of her videos, has anyone actually found anything about her that wasn't in this article or the reprints of it?  For someone that's been in hundreds of movies and is one of the biggest stars in Brazil I can't find a videography of her or anything on Twitter, Instagram, etc that support the claims.

Even all the photos in the article only Google image search back to the articles.
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Entrance to Heaven is not determined by works, its determined by accepting Jesus as your Savior.  

What are you guys, a bunch of Catholics?
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Your works are a reflection of your acceptance. What are you some kind of Protestant?
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 12:26:28 PM EDT
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ITT: The religion/sect people were brainwashed into believing before they were able to tie their shoelaces is the right one.
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I'd like to see her missionary work.
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She spends a lot of time dropping to her knees & answering guys prayers making dudes shout "Oh God!! I'm coming!!!

Link Posted: 5/1/2017 1:00:17 PM EDT
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Sure it does, and lumping all folks into one category displays a lack of common sense, or just outright stupidity.  Christianity is not about the person, it's about Christ.  Striving to be better each and every day as laid out by the example of Jesus Christ.  Judging other people whether you are a Christian or not and holding them to any standard at all falls outside what it means to be a Christian.  Like Jesus himself said, "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone."  And "Go and sin no more".  We strive to do that each and every day. 
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Deliberate riding the cock carousel while claiming to be Christian is not the striving you describe. Yet you felt the need to defend such willful conduct (sin).  We would all respect Christians more if you stepped u and said " oh, that girl? she's not even trying. she's kinda a whore."
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