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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:19:03 PM EDT
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Misinterpreting you are.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:20:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:20:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:21:44 PM EDT
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No OP just no |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:22:41 PM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:22:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:22:58 PM EDT
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Because fascism (or nationalist syndicalism AKA corporatism) is a left wing socialist ideology.
National Socialism, a racialy-based offshoot of fascism, is also a left wing socialist ideology. They are nationalist, whilst communism is internationalist. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:23:09 PM EDT
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Up until very recently (and I mean VERY) fascism was a leftist ideology. They relabeled it to make it a right wing culture.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:23:13 PM EDT
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Fascists... research Hitler Brown Shirts.
You will see the antifa are doing exactly like the Brown Shirts. Violence to intimidate and shut down opposition. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:24:19 PM EDT
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Interesting, but again, let's talk fascism not naziism, because they truly are separate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting, but again, let's talk fascism not naziism, because they truly are separate. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:24:29 PM EDT
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Up until very recently (and I mean VERY) fascism was a leftist ideology. They relabeled it to make it a right wing culture. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFucking Google.
I have a poly sci degree and was confused why people keep calling trump a fascist. Antifa is the most fascist group of people in our country |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:25:50 PM EDT
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You should go read more before you go further down the hole you are digging. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:25:53 PM EDT
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Interesting, but again, let's talk fascism not naziism, because they truly are separate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting, but again, let's talk fascism not naziism, because they truly are separate. Mussolini was Hitler's mentor. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:26:06 PM EDT
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You have gone maximum retard. A shitty idea wrapped in the flag is still a shitty idea.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:26:09 PM EDT
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Fascism isn't right-wing. Fascism is most closely associated with Mussolini, who was a huge socialist.
in the US, right wing mainly means political attitudes supporting individual freedom based on the Constitution and traditional Christian values. European right wingers aren't the same as American right wingers. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:27:06 PM EDT
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Fucking Google. I have a poly sci degree and was confused why people keep calling trump a fascist. Antifa is the most fascist group of people in our country |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:27:24 PM EDT
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Because fascism (or nationalist syndicalism AKA corporatism) is a left wing socialist ideology. National Socialism, a racialy-based offshoot of fascism, is also a left wing socialist ideology. They are nationalist, whilst communism is internationalist.  No. You're quite wrong. Comically wrong. Instead of making things up, try doing actual research.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:28:34 PM EDT
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We ain't facists.
Quick guide. Capitalist: Private ownership of the means of production. Facist: Private ownership with government control of the means of production. Communist: Government ownership of the means of production. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:29:56 PM EDT
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No. You're quite wrong. Comically wrong. Instead of making things up, try doing actual research.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because fascism (or nationalist syndicalism AKA corporatism) is a left wing socialist ideology. National Socialism, a racialy-based offshoot of fascism, is also a left wing socialist ideology. They are nationalist, whilst communism is internationalist. No. You're quite wrong. Comically wrong. Instead of making things up, try doing actual research.I might suggest you read some books also. Books are found in libraries. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:30:26 PM EDT
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We ain't facists. Quick guide. Capitalist: Private ownership of the means of production. Facist: Private ownership with government control of the means of production. Communist: Government ownership of the means of production. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:30:48 PM EDT
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No. You're quite wrong. Comically wrong. Instead of making things up, try doing actual research.Nazis thought socialism should be nationally based, so you support people of your own nation and race. Communism based out of Moscow wanted international socialism and disbandment of nations. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:31:03 PM EDT
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Another term that has lost all meaning, reduced to an Ad-Hom.
Examples: Nazi Racist Fascist Misogynist Homophobe etc. etc. If it ends in -ist or -phobe just ignore it as a Ad-Hom and rock on, leftist debate strategy, their ideas are bad and failed so thats all they got. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:31:31 PM EDT
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Did some research; let's have a discussion. Whats so so wrong with fascism? fas·cism'faSH?iz?m /noun
So googling the word and using their skewed 'faux definition' is research? LoLoLazy you are Try this ACTUAL definition on for size.... fascism 1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:31:42 PM EDT
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No OP just no |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:33:35 PM EDT
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So googling the word and using their skewed 'faux definition' is research? LoLoLazy you are Try this ACTUAL definition on for size.... fascism 1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:36:33 PM EDT
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There is no capitalism in fascism. Corporations are created by, and ruled over by government. Everything, and I mean everything, is to work towards the states ends.
No thanks. That definition is (probably intentionally) broad. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:36:48 PM EDT
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So googling the word and using their skewed 'faux definition' is research? LoLoLazy you are Try this ACTUAL definition on for size.... fascism 1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:37:51 PM EDT
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I think people are opposed to it because society has made it super taboo.
The natural state of any society is to have a strong leader, this is why the presidency is such a big deal; when he is only 1/3 of the federal gov. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:39:34 PM EDT
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No. You're quite wrong. Comically wrong. Instead of making things up, try doing actual research.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because fascism (or nationalist syndicalism AKA corporatism) is a left wing socialist ideology. National Socialism, a racialy-based offshoot of fascism, is also a left wing socialist ideology. They are nationalist, whilst communism is internationalist. No. You're quite wrong. Comically wrong. Instead of making things up, try doing actual research.Nazis are left wing, their ideology is just a version of socialism, and fascism and socialism are in fact strikingly similar. Left = Authoritarian, Right = Freedom. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:41:16 PM EDT
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Im saying what's wrong with fascism, they keep calling us fascists-is that a bad thing? A little more nationalism and conservatism wouldn't hurt this country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We ain't facists. Quick guide. Capitalist: Private ownership of the means of production. Facist: Private ownership with government control of the means of production. Communist: Government ownership of the means of production. Fuck fascism, American government is in fact too fascistic and that's a bad thing. Also there's a 99.9% chance you're just trolling. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:43:46 PM EDT
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Fascist is EVERYBODY they don't agree with. Overly simple but true.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:44:02 PM EDT
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Do some research offline. Right wing was recently added
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:44:07 PM EDT
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Good point, after reading about this I don't think you can put fascism on a typical "conservative-liberal" scale. It's a different animal and thus different dimension. Fascism is male socialism, vanilla socialism [e.g. Nordic and continental EU flavours] is female socialism. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:44:57 PM EDT
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Much like Communism Fascism is a label, and it means nothing really until it is applied to a situation.
No, there is no significant Fascist movement in the US, but it is a boogeyman word that the far left have decided to use because they have gotten so little traction when using the term Nazi, at one time calling someone a Nazi was attention getting, but they have over used it to the point where pop culture uses the term to describe an asshole deli employee, so Fascism it is. The call to fight Fascism was a widely used technique to rally the population of the Soviet Union and puppet states during the cold war. Every nasty and terrible thing the East Germans did (see having a policy that you machine gun anybody you catch trying to leave your country) Stasi and all. That is the true pedigree of the current ANTIFA Anti Fascist movement, the "outreach" departments of the old KGB and STASI. I would be willing to bet that it is more than just an ideological link, that if you dug deep enough you would find direct links between the founders of ANTIFA and actual former operatives of those forgotten operatives who spent the entire cold war trying to undermine the US and the west in general. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:45:02 PM EDT
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Fascism is authoritarian and it abrogates the property rights of the citizenry to serve the State. Fuck fascism, American government is in fact too fascistic and that's a bad thing. Also there's a 99.9% chance you're just trolling. get out clown |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:47:05 PM EDT
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We ain't facists. Quick guide. Capitalist: Private ownership of the means of production. Facist: Private ownership with government control of the means of production. Communist: Government ownership of the means of production. For example, shipyards in Fascistland would be organized into a shipbuilding syndicate. While still privately owned, each shipyard would be assigned a role - build submarines; build battleships; build freighters, repair yard, etc. by the State Ministry of Industry (for example). It is a command economy (like a communist country), but the means of production is "privately" owned. Workers are likewise organised into State approved labor syndicates which are controlled by the fascist party. So, the Fascist Guild of Shipyard Workers supports Giovanni & Sons Submarine Yard in producing the fascist State's submarines according to the Ministry of Industry's plan. Meanwhile in Communistland, The State Ministry of Industry orders People's Shipyard 3 to build submarines to fullfil the Five Year Plan and People's Shipyard 3's workers collective pledges to be stakhanovite shock workers in fulfilling the plan |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:47:10 PM EDT
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Lol wtf? get out clown Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fascism is authoritarian and it abrogates the property rights of the citizenry to serve the State. Fuck fascism, American government is in fact too fascistic and that's a bad thing. Also there's a 99.9% chance you're just trolling. get out clown |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:47:31 PM EDT
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Because fascism (or nationalist syndicalism AKA corporatism) is a left wing socialist ideology. National Socialism, a racialy-based offshoot of fascism, is also a left wing socialist ideology. They are nationalist, whilst communism is internationalist. "So, yes, sure fascism was seen as being to the “right” of Communism, because it was. Even Trotsky considered fascism to be right-wing socialism or middle-class socialism. It seems to me that the key word there is socialism, which is properly understood as a phenomenon of the Left. (The Soviets also considered not only the New Deal fascist and right-wing, but the American Socialist Party, too. " Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/417926/was-fascism-right-wing-again-jonah-goldberg |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:49:13 PM EDT
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All fascist leaders have been left wing, right?
Kim, Che, Castro, Mao, Hitler, Stalin,.. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:49:40 PM EDT
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That leaves a 0.1% chance you're just retarded. Explain WHY fascism is so bad or get out. My argument is that fundamental fascism ain't that bad, for the reasons explained above. Or... do you have no argument other than feels? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:50:17 PM EDT
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Let me guess where you learned Nazism is a Right Wing ideology, public schools? Long ago the Left perverted the political spectrum to serve their own ends and people are still regurgitating that bullshit generations later. Nazis are left wing, their ideology is just a version of socialism, and fascism and socialism are in fact strikingly similar. Left = Authoritarian, Right = Freedom. Fascism by its own admission, a "Third Way" beyond Left or Right. It blends typical positions of the Left and Right into something new, but distinct from either. The Left/Right dichotomy is retarded and outdated, it goes back to the French Revolution and which side of the Estates General a faction sat on. Right can be Authoritarian, such as with a Monarch (going back to the aforementioned FR, the Monarchists (or what was left of them) sat on the Right). Left can be Freedom such as with "Pure Communism (which won't happen)" |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:50:22 PM EDT
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Im here offering up an honest discussion and you're arguing like an Antifa beta. Explain WHY fascism is so bad or get out. My argument is that fundamental fascism ain't that bad, for the reasons explained above. Or... do you have no argument other than feels? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That leaves a 0.1% chance you're just retarded. Explain WHY fascism is so bad or get out. My argument is that fundamental fascism ain't that bad, for the reasons explained above. Or... do you have no argument other than feels? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:50:52 PM EDT
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All fascist leaders have been left wing, right? Kim, Che, Castro, Mao, Hitler, Stalin,.. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:51:05 PM EDT
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Misinterpreting you are. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:52:18 PM EDT
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You are Wrong, and espousing typical Libertarian talking points. Fascism by its own admission, a "Third Way" beyond Left or Right. It blends typical positions of the Left and Right into something new, but distinct from either. The Left/Right dichotomy is retarded and outdated, it goes back to the French Revolution and which side of the Estates General a faction sat on. Right can be Authoritarian, such as with a Monarch (going back to the aforementioned FR, the Monarchists (or what was left of them) sat on the Right). Left can be Freedom such as with "Pure Communism (which won't happen)" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me guess where you learned Nazism is a Right Wing ideology, public schools? Long ago the Left perverted the political spectrum to serve their own ends and people are still regurgitating that bullshit generations later. Nazis are left wing, their ideology is just a version of socialism, and fascism and socialism are in fact strikingly similar. Left = Authoritarian, Right = Freedom. Fascism by its own admission, a "Third Way" beyond Left or Right. It blends typical positions of the Left and Right into something new, but distinct from either. The Left/Right dichotomy is retarded and outdated, it goes back to the French Revolution and which side of the Estates General a faction sat on. Right can be Authoritarian, such as with a Monarch (going back to the aforementioned FR, the Monarchists (or what was left of them) sat on the Right). Left can be Freedom such as with "Pure Communism (which won't happen)" Ideologies on opposite ends of the spectrum should be opposites, as much as possible. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:52:52 PM EDT
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Much like Communism Fascism is a label, and it means nothing really until it is applied to a situation. No, there is no significant Fascist movement in the US, but it is a boogeyman word that the far left have decided to use because they have gotten so little traction when using the term Nazi, at one time calling someone a Nazi was attention getting, but they have over used it to the point where pop culture uses the term to describe an asshole deli employee, so Fascism it is. The call to fight Fascism was a widely used technique to rally the population of the Soviet Union and puppet states during the cold war. Every nasty and terrible thing the East Germans did (see having a policy that you machine gun anybody you catch trying to leave your country) Stasi and all. That is the true pedigree of the current ANTIFA Anti Fascist movement, the "outreach" departments of the old KGB and STASI. I would be willing to bet that it is more than just an ideological link, that if you dug deep enough you would find direct links between the founders of ANTIFA and actual former operatives of those forgotten operatives who spent the entire cold war trying to undermine the US and the west in general. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:52:58 PM EDT
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Im here offering up an honest discussion and you're arguing like an Antifa beta. Explain WHY fascism is so bad or get out. My argument is that fundamental fascism ain't that bad, for the reasons explained above. Or... do you have no argument other than feels? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:53:42 PM EDT
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Im saying what's wrong with fascism, they keep calling us fascists-is that a bad thing? A little more nationalism and conservatism wouldn't hurt this country. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:54:51 PM EDT
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Fascism, like all totalitarian ideologies, is bad / evil. |
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