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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:14:02 PM EDT
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It did not work out for S&W. The owners financially collapsed and sold the entire business to escape the mess. The S&W of today shares nothing more than the name. 
I imagine it'll be pretty hard to pick up a SA or RRA product in Illinois in the future. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:17:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:18:31 PM EDT
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Leave them a one star google review. don't see those either now. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:21:12 PM EDT
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I get an error when I try to click the link to their review page.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:28:06 PM EDT
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Watch, their excuse will be that they supported the IFMA because it was a good organization but that they had no idea that IFMA was doing this. That the carve-outs were IFMA trying to protect IL businesses but that they weren't consulted. Blah blah we didn't intend to lie down with lions and all that shit.
Fuck 'em, boycott on. No TRP for me. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:36:53 PM EDT
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The prime funders of IFMA are Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. In response to a request for comment on the deal, Springfield Armory CEO Dennis Reese gave TTAG the following statement:
“The legislative process is a fluid process. The bill has only moved through one chamber, and it is still in the process. We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.” 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:37:56 PM EDT
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If they sold us out then it looks like they need to learn a lesson the hard (i.e. S&W) way.
Plus if you have a hankering for an M14-style rifle Fulton Armory is much better anyways |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:40:19 PM EDT
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That's a bullshit response if there ever was one.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:42:25 PM EDT
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If they sold us out then it looks like they need to learn a lesson the hard (i.e. S&W) way. Plus if you have a hankering for an M14-style rifle Fulton Armory is much better anyways |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:46:19 PM EDT
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That's a bullshit response if there ever was one. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:54:53 PM EDT
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Or get a LRB that is a forged receiver. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:56:12 PM EDT
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They still have Twitter open...
@Springfield_Inc |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:01:01 PM EDT
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The British Tomkins PLC owned Smith and Wesson company that sold us out no longer exists, its trademarks and assets, but not the company itself, were sold to an American company known as Smith and Wesson Holding Company whose first act was to abrogate the agreement that the old Tompkins PLC owned company entered into with the Clinton Administration and the other gun grabbers. I'll forgive Rock River and Springfield Armory as well, after their assets and trademarks are sold to new owners. Until then they can both drink from the toilet. Too bad, my wife wanted one of the new Springfield XDe s for Mothers Day.  |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:02:08 PM EDT
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I don't do facebook page but I'm going to vote with my wallet as I was about a week away from picking up a TRP. Dan Wesson it is.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:04:39 PM EDT
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Glock 19 or 26  
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:05:36 PM EDT
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Facebook rating scale is now not showing. Or visitor posts to the page.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:08:14 PM EDT
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I don't do facebook page but I'm going to vote with my wallet as I was about a week away from picking up a TRP. Dan Wesson it is. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:09:20 PM EDT
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I own nothing made by Springfield. And now I never will. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:11:02 PM EDT
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I don't do facebook page but I'm going to vote with my wallet as I was about a week away from picking up a TRP. Dan Wesson it is. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:15:04 PM EDT
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For all of the people saying they were going to buy, but now they aren't. Send a redacted copy of your receipts to the companies so they can see the actual money they missed out on.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:17:22 PM EDT
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I'd go with Wilson Combat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't do facebook page but I'm going to vote with my wallet as I was about a week away from picking up a TRP. Dan Wesson it is. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:40:25 PM EDT
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FFS
Idiots |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:42:17 PM EDT
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Gun range
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:07:10 PM EDT
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And so ends the XD vs Glock debate.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:27:59 PM EDT
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And so ends the XD vs Glock debate. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:34:34 PM EDT
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Can someone explain what SA and RRA gained by supporting this? Also, did they not think gun owners would care or keep buying their products by doing this??
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:56:34 PM EDT
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Can someone explain what SA and RRA gained by supporting this? Also, did they not think gun owners would care or keep buying their products by doing this?? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:56:37 PM EDT
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Can someone explain what SA and RRA gained by supporting this? Also, did they not think gun owners would care or keep buying their products by doing this?? Technically, they did not support, but switched from opposing to neutral. As a result of their change, the bill sponsor gained additional yes vote(s) whlch allowed it to pass by the minimum required. There has been some insinuation they may not have known what their lobbying group was doing, but I find that hard to believe. Guess we will need to see what they say when/if they release a statement. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:30:56 PM EDT
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I get why people are up in arms about this, but are you guys REALLY going to sell off all you SA/RAA guns? Really? In the trash with the AKs?
While I may never give either anymore business, I'm certainly not going to dump my favorite 1911 and four ARs built on RRA lowers (all of a which I got when we "liked" RRA). 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:42:30 PM EDT
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I get why people are up in arms about this, but are you guys REALLY going to sell off all you SA/RAA guns? Really? In the trash with the AKs? While I may never give either anymore business, I'm certainly not going to dump my favorite 1911 and four ARs built on RRA lowers (all of a which I got when we "liked" RRA). |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:45:22 PM EDT
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For all of the people saying they were going to buy, but now they aren't. Send a redacted copy of your receipts to the companies so they can see the actual money they missed out on. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:06:07 PM EDT
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I guess they think they are too big to fail. We shall see. BTW, I just saw some ads here for SA. Not sure what the Arfcom owner can do to have them removed. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:11:03 PM EDT
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No, no, no. Click every SA and RRA add you see. It costs them money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess they think they are too big to fail. We shall see. BTW, I just saw some ads here for SA. Not sure what the Arfcom owner can do to have them removed.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:47:08 PM EDT
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You know what's funny? All these people angry about SA being in cahoots with anti-2a politicians for political favors.... rushing out to a well known anti-2a website (facebook) to show just how angry they are about a company supporting anti-2a policies. Give me a break people. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:57:17 PM EDT
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Very good point and well taken. Facebook is the devil, and should not be supported by the 2nd community. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know what's funny? All these people angry about SA being in cahoots with anti-2a politicians for political favors.... rushing out to a well known anti-2a website (facebook) to show just how angry they are about a company supporting anti-2a policies. Give me a break people. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:05:20 PM EDT
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I get why people are up in arms about this, but are you guys REALLY going to sell off all you SA/RAA guns? Really? In the trash with the AKs? While I may never give either anymore business, I'm certainly not going to dump my favorite 1911 and four ARs built on RRA lowers (all of a which I got when we "liked" RRA). I'll be selling my xds45 if I can. Maybe this will encourage me to take less. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:31:19 PM EDT
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While I may never give either anymore business, I'm certainly not going to dump my favorite 1911 and four ARs built on RRA lowers (all of a which I got when we "liked" RRA). |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:45:11 PM EDT
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So you're saying we should come up w/ an ad click bot and send it after them? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:48:45 PM EDT
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Could it be that people aren't a fun of Croatian rebrands and Brazilian garbage for made in the USA prices? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:51:37 PM EDT
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/
This is a link to an article in The Truth about Guns which explains the way SA and RRA sold out the people. I found this to be a fairly easy and simple read and I now see why everyone is so pissed. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:18:42 PM EDT
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While brilliant, that kind of suggestion can tank your account here almost as fast as Springfield tanked its reviews. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you're saying we should come up w/ an ad click bot and send it after them? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:33:58 AM EDT
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Sorry dude, the value of all those guns just took a major shit. Get out while you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I may never give either anymore business, I'm certainly not going to dump my favorite 1911 and four ARs built on RRA lowers (all of a which I got when we "liked" RRA). They are worth no less because of the stance of the manufacturer. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:36:57 AM EDT
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That's the political BS that has polluted the market. They are worth no less because of the stance of the manufacturer. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:39:33 AM EDT
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Sorry dude, the value of all those guns just took a major shit. Get out while you can. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:53:49 AM EDT
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I guess the SBRd lowers are going in the trash.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 3:48:25 AM EDT
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Do they shoot just as well as they did yesterday? Well the answer is yes, yes they do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry dude, the value of all those guns just took a major shit. Get out while you can. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 5:32:39 AM EDT
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Cheaper than moving to Iowa or Indiana...
Nope. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:01:42 AM EDT
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Short of an M1A there is nothing SA makes that even turns my head. Same for RRA. A loss of either company wouldn't really affect me.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:10:47 AM EDT
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They blocked the review page on FB-f'em
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:19:54 AM EDT
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I don't see why Springfield would do something this stupid.
They could move to a free state very easily. For fucks sake all they need is a warehouse to receive shipping containers from Croatia. It's not like they have a huge manufacturing facility and hundreds of skilled machinist working for them.
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