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I would wager to advertise services, as the executive director of the IFMA Isn't SHOT an industry show, not open to the general public? View Quote So that means you are like "sponsored" by some company, some manufacturer, and they like add you to the SHOT show guest list under that company's name. I have never been myself, so if I am wrong please feel free to correct me. Was Keller there at SHOT under SA or RRA credentials? Or was he there under his own IFMA credentials? That would be ironic if there is a pic of Keller working either the SA or RRA booth, especially if it shows him yucking it up with the CEO of either company. Or worse yet, if there is a pic of him meeting with any other reps or CEOs from other firearm manufacturers, especially those behind enemy lines. |
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They've had Keller on the payroll since at least 2013 I believe it was, and Madigan has never and will never do anything to benefit gun rights. He had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the Appellate court to get concealed carry and tried repeatedly to fuck with it. View Quote |
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Just thinking ahead here....
The USPSA Single Stack Nationals is sponsored by Springfield Armory. It is scheduled to be held on May 17-20. It'll be held at PASA Park near Quincy, IL. It seems to me that if Springfield Armory can't navigate themselves out of this situation soon, there might be some USPSA competitors backing out of the match and asking for their entry fees to be refunded. EDIT: and if competitors start asking for refunds, then that will really put USPSA HQ in a bind. I have said long ago that any nationals level shooting match needs to be moved out of Illinois. Why should shooters from gun friendlier states be forced to piss their tourist dollars away in this anti-gun state? |
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Just thinking ahead here.... The USPSA Single Stack Nationals is sponsored by Springfield Armory. It is scheduled to be held on May 17-20. It'll be held at PASA Park near Quincy, IL. It seems to me that if Springfield Armory can't navigate themselves out of this situation soon, there might be some USPSA competitors backing out of the match and asking for their entry fees to be refunded. View Quote |
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An accusation was made and then appears to be supported by corroborating evidence that SA "donated" money to democratic, anti-gun politicians. If you ever read the other 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights, you'll know that the 6A guarantees the right for a defendant in a criminal case to face his accuser in open court. And if the defendant so desires to take the stand in his own defense. In this court of public opinion, I can at least wait for what SA has to say with respect to these "donations", in their defense. And if you have been paying attention, you'll notice that I put "donations" in quotations marks. It, being the Chicago way, one man's donations may be another man's extortion racket. Maybe? Possibly? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You have excuses for them in the response. What does it take for you to give up on them? You have a steady stream of facts that get worse for them every passing day, yet you will "keep my pitchfork and torch in the shed until I hear something from Dennis Reese to explain away the donations to democratic politicians." You just need any excuse from them to make it OK? They contributed money to people that are actively oppressing your rights and you still think moving out of state would make things OK. May your chains rest lightly... If you ever read the other 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights, you'll know that the 6A guarantees the right for a defendant in a criminal case to face his accuser in open court. And if the defendant so desires to take the stand in his own defense. In this court of public opinion, I can at least wait for what SA has to say with respect to these "donations", in their defense. And if you have been paying attention, you'll notice that I put "donations" in quotations marks. It, being the Chicago way, one man's donations may be another man's extortion racket. Maybe? Possibly? |
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Just thinking ahead here.... The USPSA Single Stack Nationals is sponsored by Springfield Armory. It is scheduled to be held on May 17-20. It'll be held at PASA Park near Quincy, IL. It seems to me that if Springfield Armory can't navigate themselves out of this situation soon, there might be some USPSA competitors backing out of the match and asking for their entry fees to be refunded. EDIT: and if competitors start asking for refunds, then that will really put USPSA HQ in a bind. I have said long ago that any nationals level shooting match needs to be moved out of Illinois. Why should shooters from gun friendlier states be forced to piss their tourist dollars away in this anti-gun state? View Quote |
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View Quote Some additional news was brought to light by the TTAG blog. It appears....it appears.... that Keller waa planing the carve out for SA and RRA prior to January 2017...before SHOT. That to me proves "malice of forethought" to throw us Illinois residents under the bus. So I have revised my opinion/position. Keller, SA, and RRA can all go fuck themselves. Now, I am getting pissed. |
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That was yesterday...or maybeveven the day before. Some additional news was brought to light by the TTAG blog. It appears....it appears.... that Keller waa planing the carve out for SA and RRA prior to January 2017...before SHOT. That to me proves "malice of forethought" to throw us Illinois residents under the bus. So I have revised my opinion/position. Keller, SA, and RRA can all go fuck themselves. Now, I am getting pissed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
That was yesterday...or maybeveven the day before. Some additional news was brought to light by the TTAG blog. It appears....it appears.... that Keller waa planing the carve out for SA and RRA prior to January 2017...before SHOT. That to me proves "malice of forethought" to throw us Illinois residents under the bus. So I have revised my opinion/position. Keller, SA, and RRA can all go fuck themselves. Now, I am getting pissed. |
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That was yesterday...or maybeveven the day before. Some additional news was brought to light by the TTAG blog. It appears....it appears.... that Keller waa planing the carve out for SA and RRA prior to January 2017...before SHOT. That to me proves "malice of forethought" to throw us Illinois residents under the bus. So I have revised my opinion/position. Keller, SA, and RRA can all go fuck themselves. Now, I am getting pissed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
That was yesterday...or maybeveven the day before. Some additional news was brought to light by the TTAG blog. It appears....it appears.... that Keller waa planing the carve out for SA and RRA prior to January 2017...before SHOT. That to me proves "malice of forethought" to throw us Illinois residents under the bus. So I have revised my opinion/position. Keller, SA, and RRA can all go fuck themselves. Now, I am getting pissed. |
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View Quote Thanks, I needed that. |
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I received an e-mail from [email protected] titled, "SPREAD THE WORD | 2nd Amendment Threatened in Illinois" with a link to the NRA.
Dear Scott, The 2nd Amendment urgently needs your help in Illinois! The Illinois House of Representatives may consider Senate Bill 1657, legislation that could put state gun dealers out of business, at any time! It is imperative you share this with friends and family living in Illinois and strongly urge them to OPPOSE SB 1657! |
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Keller coulda been a Russian sub captain
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SA sent out an email last night asking people to oppose this bill (I assume it's the same bill)
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The future will be strong with people in the community like we have here. Sure some folks are a little quick to jump on the offensive, but maybe I'm also a bit slow to join in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Gracias mi hermano. Este es un asunto muy importante y los tiempos están cambiando en la forma en que la gente puede moldear el futuro. ARF is not "doing" anything to them, they can go play anywhere else they want but they're not coming in here covered in shit & expecting to be hugged, welcomed and tacitly endorsed. "Here's your refund, if you are able to clean up your company's image in the future, please contact us to discuss." |
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Well a few days after two Chicago cops, one a Boss's son, got lit up by gangbangers with a 5.56mm its likely even more draconian legislation is OTW to IL.
The Politicians figure the suckers wont realize its already illegal to shoot cops with rifles and no doubt a felony for the gangs to even own the guns. But locking up to many minorities for to long is racist so its times to pile even more Laws on top of each other and criminalize citizens who have no arrest records. It will at least give the illusion they are doing something about gangster INC. and let them keep their sweet benefits packages. Meanwhile the nations 2nd biggest Dept. still doesnt have its own outdoor range to run AR classes for officers to qualify to carry the weapons. It has to depend on Harvey PD, a ghetto town of 25,000 south of the city, that isnt able to share much. So there is a big backlog of CPD waiting to get qualified, while most who are dont bother checking one out. |
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That was yesterday...or maybeveven the day before. Some additional news was brought to light by the TTAG blog. It appears....it appears.... that Keller waa planing the carve out for SA and RRA prior to January 2017...before SHOT. That to me proves "malice of forethought" to throw us Illinois residents under the bus. So I have revised my opinion/position. Keller, SA, and RRA can all go fuck themselves. Now, I am getting pissed. View Quote |
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No, bipartisan support does not equal the one Republican that voted for that mess of a bill. View Quote If the republicans are passing anything the democrat party doesn't want it is "mostly on partisan lines". |
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Here's the cock sucker republican who voted for the bills facebook.
Facebook. Anti gunners are thanking him for his "bravery" and "putting children first". Light his ass up guys with facebook. |
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He's deleting the comments.
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Here's the cock sucker republican who voted for the bills facebook. Facebook. Anti gunners are thanking him for his "bravery" and "putting children first". Light his ass up guys with facebook. View Quote |
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Here's the cock sucker republican who voted for the bills facebook. Facebook. Anti gunners are thanking him for his "bravery" and "putting children first". Light his ass up guys with facebook. |
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He's deleting the comments. View Quote They're not stupid. |
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Thank you for keeping up with this and sharing the info you've gained.
On a positive note, RRA has been very active the past two days in getting new lobbyists involved and have shown a willingness to put everything on the line to defeat this bill. People involved do not feel this it's an act to save face, especially since it hasn't even been publicly reported, and welcome their commitment. For SA, the jury is still out. |
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Thank you for keeping up with this and sharing the info you've gained. From the start it always felt like RRA was oblivious to what the lobbyist was doing. Maybe that's wrong, but that continues to be my take, especially with the above information. I'm willing to forgive them at this point. I don't begrudge others who don't, however. For SA, the jury is still out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: On a positive note, RRA has been very active the past two days in getting new lobbyists involved and have shown a willingness to put everything on the line to defeat this bill. People involved do not feel this it's an act to save face, especially since it hasn't even been publicly reported, and welcome their commitment. For SA, the jury is still out. That about sums it up for me. Traitors should be punished. Stupid should hurt. |
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The isra just came out saying we just need to get the bill killed then do the needful with Sa & RRA.
Oh and so I don't get called an apologist FSA FRRA Their email... "Executive Director's Message During the Revolutionary War, Thomas Paine wrote: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." Thomas Paine must have been thinking of Springfield, as well as the fledgling United States. These coming weeks are going to be among the toughest, if not the toughest, we have ever faced. There are those who are squandering megajoules of valuable energy assessing blame, finger pointing, and hurling recriminations without knowing the whole story; all actions which only compound the problem and do nothing to solve it. Now is the time to stick together. The Illinois State Rifle Association is going to press forward with every resource we have to protect and defend gun owners' rights and the Second Amendment in Illinois. Those rights include the rights of individuals, firearm dealers, manufactures, and all of the numerous other elements that make up the matrix of the law-abiding gun community. I view this matrix in terms of the NATO doctrine, which is, "An attack on one is an attack on all." I ask that you put behind you all of the venom and anger and stand together to fight the looming menace of SB1657. That is the only way to win. I am pleased to announce the Illinois State Rifle Association has contracted with former State Representative, and now lobbyist, Ed Sullivan. Ed was a former leader in the Illinois House Republicans and was a driving force in passing the concealed carry bill in 2013. Ed is well respected on both sides of the House and will be working with the ISRA during the last few weeks of session to turn back SB1657. This Dealer Licensing bill moves to the House next week. As I have said, the ISRA will be fighting with every resource so we really need whatever help you can give us. We don't have George Soros or a Michael Bloomberg. We survive on dues and donations. If you are a member, please make a donation today. If you are not a member, and get this email, please join today and make a donation also." |
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It's looking worse and worse for SAI and RRA
Proof That Springfield Armory and Rock River Knew of Licensing Carve-Out Last Year? This bill [SB 1657] was introduced into the Illinois House last Spring and defeated. It contained the exact same language as the present bill. But if you read the House transcript on the day it was defeated, you will see the House sponsor, Rep. Willis describing Amendment 6 which is exactly where the carve out was added. He also describes the language of the carve out as “So… we took in… making sure we added additional exemptions, we put in the manufacturers of firearms are exempt, and that is, in fact, one of the reasons we had so many making sure that we listen to their language and put their language in there directly.” That means the manufacturers were already aware of the provision and as a matter of fact, they wrote the actual language that provided them an exemption. So how is it possible that Springfield Armory didn’t know about it? Read it for yourself: http://www.ilga.gov/house/transcripts/htrans99/09900138.pdf |
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It's looking worse and worse for SAI and RRA Proof That Springfield Armory and Rock River Knew of Licensing Carve-Out Last Year? This bill [SB 1657] was introduced into the Illinois House last Spring and defeated. It contained the exact same language as the present bill. But if you read the House transcript on the day it was defeated, you will see the House sponsor, Rep. Willis describing Amendment 6 which is exactly where the carve out was added. He also describes the language of the carve out as “So… we took in… making sure we added additional exemptions, we put in the manufacturers of firearms are exempt, and that is, in fact, one of the reasons we had so many making sure that we listen to their language and put their language in there directly.” That means the manufacturers were already aware of the provision and as a matter of fact, they wrote the actual language that provided them an exemption. So how is it possible that Springfield Armory didn’t know about it? Read it for yourself: http://www.ilga.gov/house/transcripts/htrans99/09900138.pdf View Quote |
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It's looking worse and worse for SAI and RRA Proof That Springfield Armory and Rock River Knew of Licensing Carve-Out Last Year? This bill [SB 1657] was introduced into the Illinois House last Spring and defeated. It contained the exact same language as the present bill. But if you read the House transcript on the day it was defeated, you will see the House sponsor, Rep. Willis describing Amendment 6 which is exactly where the carve out was added. He also describes the language of the carve out as “So… we took in… making sure we added additional exemptions, we put in the manufacturers of firearms are exempt, and that is, in fact, one of the reasons we had so many making sure that we listen to their language and put their language in there directly.” That means the manufacturers were already aware of the provision and as a matter of fact, they wrote the actual language that provided them an exemption. So how is it possible that Springfield Armory didn’t know about it? Read it for yourself: http://www.ilga.gov/house/transcripts/htrans99/09900138.pdf View Quote |
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Really, the balls of them to even say they didnt know what their own paid Lobbyist was doing while he was negotiating exemptions for them from a draconian piece of anti-gun Legislation, even when he was greasing anti-2nd Politicians on their behalf. My God they must think were all morons.
Even if I lived on a mountain in Tibet I wouldnt believe them let alone having so many decades of seeing how these schmucks operate in this state. LOL, Jesse Jackson JR while a Rep in IL., and his wife, get caught stealing from their campaign to live large and he negotiates a reduced sentence saying he's "Bi-Polar". THEN! He gets $130,000 a year from SSI while he is in and after he's out for being disabled with Bi Polar. There aint nothing on the up and up in IL. 4 of the last 8 ex-Governors have gone to Jail for Gods sake. One of them, George Ryan, the one who suspended the death penalty to try and get support for a more lenient sentence, once went an entire year with his large family and was only able to prove he spent $4 of his own money. This was a guy who was seen at a fancy steak house every night with his wife and family. |
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I can't take this anymore after I read the email they sent, the public messages, this keeps going thru my mind. make it stop.
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We need a list of the people they advertise with so we can email and call them to voice our displeasure and hopefully lose them some advertising. These sell outs must be punished.
I don't know how to find their advertisers or I'd do it myself. |
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We need a list of the people they advertise with so we can email and call them to voice our displeasure and hopefully lose them some advertising. These sell outs must be punished. I don't know how to find their advertisers or I'd do it myself. View Quote |
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I would like to know what is being said behind the scenes at HS Produkt, I wonder what a pissed off Croatian sounds like ?
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Time to thrown my XD down the driveway and into the trashcan? View Quote |
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I am the reader that wrote the article that showed up on TTAG this morning. I have enough research to believe that this was a long time plan that was first attempted last year.
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