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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:38:47 PM EDT
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Well......I know what two manufactures will get no business from me or my family ever again |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:39:14 PM EDT
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What i thought UBC's were just to stop people from selling to criminals?
They can use a UBC law to further regulate firearms beyond just making sure you get can't sell your machine gun to a serial killer? Whawhawhat?!?!??!??? Who'da thunk it? |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:41:39 PM EDT
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The fact that an anti gun bill might not pass the House and reach the Governor's desk isn't the point.
Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms capitulated for a carve out and exemption to a despotic unconstitutional piece of legislation. They threw fellow Gun Owners and Americans under the bus for their thirty pieces of silver. The Illinois based organization that represents firearms manufacturers in the State fucked up royally. The fact that SA's CEO later came out trying to defend such action is inexcusable. The only SA product left in my collection is a Scout Squad M1A. There will never be another product until the CEO is dismissed and there is a change of ownership/management in the company. Ruger and S&W of today aren't the same companies of the 90s. Until SA has the same. Not a single penny from me will go to their coffers. I carry a Dept Issue Rock River carbine. I sure as Hell ain't buying one. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:45:25 PM EDT
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The fact that an anti gun bill might not pass the House and reach the Governor's desk the point. Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms capitulated for a carve out and exemption to a despotic unconstitutional piece of legislation. They threw fellow Gun Owners and Americans under the bus for their thirty pieces of silver. The Illinois based organization that represents firearms manufacturers in the State fucked up royally. The fact that SA's CEO later came out trying to defend such action is inexcusable. The only SA product left in my collection is a Scout Squad M1A. There will never be another product until the CEO is dismissed and there is a change of ownership/management in the company. Ruger and S&W of today aren't the same companies of the 90s. Until SA has the same. Not a single penny from me will go to their coffers. I carry a Dept Issue Rock River carbine. I sure as Hell ain't buying one. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:50:50 PM EDT
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I sure as Hell will bring this up tomorrow at NRA when I get there.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:50:56 PM EDT
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I predict the murder rate in Chicago will continue to climb because of victim-disarmament laws like this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prediction: This latest "reasonable and sensible gun control measure" will have absolutely no effect on the murder rate in Shitcago whatsoever. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:53:47 PM EDT
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I don't care if it dies in the House or not - they chose their side, may they suffer greatly for it. I had been considering an SA 1911; looks like I'm sticking with RIA. RRA has never even been on my radar. Armalite > RRA. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:54:22 PM EDT
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Wow, how fucking dumb can you be? Let's say this bullshit bill gets signed into law, RRA and SA could have at least appeared to have fought it and come out no worse for the wear. I'm not even talking about a real fight, just some press releases and social media posts about their opposition to it. Then their reputation is by and large unchanged and the only downside would have been the extra costs of complying with the new regulations which are still bullshit but probably a drop in the bucket to their net income.
Now in a buyers market they made the financial decision to save themselves the compliance costs but sky lined themselves with 99% of their core customer group. El...Oh...El United Airlines: Talk about spending a dollar to save a nickel. No one will ever shoot themselves in the foot like that again. RRA and SA: Hold our beers. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:55:01 PM EDT
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As if gun bill legislation wasn't a hard enough fight in this shithole of a state... talk about a stab in the back
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:55:06 PM EDT
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Fuck them both then.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:58:05 PM EDT
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Displeasure voiced!
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:58:11 PM EDT
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I sure as Hell will bring this up tomorrow at NRA when I get there. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:58:57 PM EDT
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Prediction: This latest "reasonable and sensible gun control measure" will have absolutely no effect on the murder rate in Shitcago whatsoever. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 1:59:38 PM EDT
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would like to see Armalite move to WI
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:01:21 PM EDT
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Why 9? Why not 10, or 7 or 5 or 12? Is there some research that says purchasing 10 firearms per year makes sensible people violent killers? Is there something in the water that makes politicians stupid? WTF?
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:06:57 PM EDT
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Why 9? Why not 10, or 7 or 5 or 12? Is there some research that says purchasing 10 firearms per year makes sensible people violent killers? Is there something in the water that makes politicians stupid? WTF?  There's Something About Mary - 7 minute abs |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:07:44 PM EDT
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I own a Stainless NM 45 and 9mm 1911.
And a overrated NM m1a. Now I feeels dirty like a whore with a rubber hanging out of it's ass and a $5 bill in it's brazier.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:11:38 PM EDT
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Just like Leatherman both these companies will not receive another dime from me.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:12:39 PM EDT
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I'm sickened
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:13:18 PM EDT
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This irritates me.
Mr. Reese----step down now. The XD-E is an ugly gun. I won't be buying a Saint now. My first pistol was an XD9. My first 308 was a Loaded M1A. My first 1911 was a TRP. I'm done. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:17:15 PM EDT
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would like to see Armalite move to 
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:25:42 PM EDT
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Just like Leatherman both these companies will not receive another dime from me. 
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:38:36 PM EDT
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Disconcerting.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:48:57 PM EDT
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Ayup. They've indicated their position; whether or not it goes through is immaterial to that fact. I had been considering an SA 1911; looks like I'm sticking with RIA. RRA has never even been on my radar. Armalite > RRA. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:22:01 PM EDT
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Just talked to the owner of RRA.
HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:29:40 PM EDT
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Just talked to the owner of RRA. HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . and thank you for contacting him! 
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:33:50 PM EDT
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I own several SACS guns.
Will write them a polite letter that I'm not buying any of their stuff anymore. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:35:08 PM EDT
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Shall I say it.....
"Unintended consequences." Like with the NRA in the Clinton days. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:37:32 PM EDT
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Just talked to the owner of RRA. HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:37:33 PM EDT
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Remind me again......about compromise.....
Why I hate Bill Ruger. Why I don't respect COLT Firearms. Probably...there is more out there. Not to mention, plenty of politicians. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:39:42 PM EDT
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Just talked to the owner of RRA. HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:40:16 PM EDT
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They should have moved out of state. Fuck 'em.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:40:41 PM EDT
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File this under " how to let your lawyers talk you into killing your business"
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:46:05 PM EDT
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Very curious to hear the whole story on this... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just talked to the owner of RRA. HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 3:54:10 PM EDT
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Damn... I live in Illinois AND own RRA and SA...
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:02:22 PM EDT
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The way things stand now, my fingers will never touch the "corporate sell-out zone" of another new Springfield product again. And I was a big XD45 fan as well.
I hope their CEO comes to his senses at least pretends to support the 2nd amendment. His statement was pretty weak. I really like this response (I didn't write it) Dear Dennis Reese, The issue, as you say in your statement, might be complex and fluid, but then again, maybe it is not. Your company exists because of your customers, and it is foolish of you to have even the appearance of acting against their interests for your own seemingly selfish purposes. If what you say is true, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it perhaps may be, your statement does absolutely nothing at all to ensure your customer base that you’re not attempting to subvert the power of the state for your own rent-seeking interests. Especially in this day and age, businesses of all kinds have essentially the pick of where they choose to locate themselves, and your lack of even mentioning this shows what your true motivations are. At the end of the day, it would appear that you’ve chosen to side with legislation that has absolutely no apparent public benefit combined with erecting artificial barriers for your smaller competitors. I’m not sure how you refer to it, but from my view it sure looks like you’ve decided that your bottom line is worth sacrificing your principles for. I have absolutely zero respect or tolerance for those who would use the power of the state to ensure an unfair advantage for themselves in business. Again, I’m willing to accept that this may be more complex than it appears, but your statement does abosutely nothing to dissuade this fear, and in fact seems to indicate the opposite. Good luck with your attempt to unfairly eliminate your competition – you won’t get one single red cent from me to help you out, and I’ll make sure to tell every firearm enthusiast I know about your decision. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:07:22 PM EDT
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I don't trust that Truth About Guns blog site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just talked to the owner of RRA. HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:10:40 PM EDT
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Springfield Armory 800 680-6866 or 309 944-5631
Rock River 866 980-7625 or 309 792-5780 Please call, even if you live in a free State, and let them know you on object to their shenanigans. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:12:20 PM EDT
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Time to boycott Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms like we did S&W?  I already do. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:20:08 PM EDT
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This smells a lot like the Illinois equivalent of Iowa Gun Owners.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:22:31 PM EDT
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Well shit...now what?
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:23:47 PM EDT
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Well shit...now what? |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:26:17 PM EDT
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Those motherfuckers.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:27:35 PM EDT
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RIA used to be owned by the same family as Springfield Armory. They sold it to Armscor in 2009. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ayup. They've indicated their position; whether or not it goes through is immaterial to that fact. I had been considering an SA 1911; looks like I'm sticking with RIA. RRA has never even been on my radar. Armalite > RRA. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:27:47 PM EDT
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I have a couple RRA AR's - like them, but no more bidness from me.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:28:02 PM EDT
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At least IL gun-owners won't have to worry about wearing their
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:28:14 PM EDT
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Just talked to the owner of RRA. HE UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL. Seems like there is some other behind the scenes BS happening with some people that I won't go into. Chuck RRA owner said that he will be publishing the companies position and clarification soon. At this point I think we are only getting half the story. . |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:45:37 PM EDT
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Reply I received on the Illinois forum.
"I copied this from our IllinoisCarry alert this morning... Mike Yesterday was a shocking and disappointing day on several levels. The first shock occurred in committee when the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Assoc. dropped their opposition to Sen. Harmon's Gun Dealer Licensing bill. In essence, the IFMA threw their customer base and Illinois firearm owners to the wolves. In their own self-interest in being exempted from the outrageous restrictions in the bill, the manufacturers who make up the IFMA bailed on the very dealers who sell their firearms and the gun owners who buy them. Contact these manufacturers TODAY and let them know if this bill passes in the House, not a single product of theirs will ever be purchased in Illinois again! Springfield Armory (309) 944-5631 Rock River Arms (309) 792-578 " Whats incomplete Ameshawki? 
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:58:16 PM EDT
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Okay, I just spoke to a very nice lady at Springfield Armory, and she said everybody was traveling back from the NRA show. But that they would have a statement forthcoming soon and reading between the lines of what she was saying, it sounds like they know they've stepped in it and they will reverse the position. Whether I'm right about that or not remains to be seen.
The lady at Rock River was a little more terse and said that everybody had their facts wrong. I don't personally believe that, looking at what I'm seeing in the Illinois Hometown Forum. She said they will be releasing a statement clarifying their position. Please keep up the pressure we need to make your voices heard. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 5:05:32 PM EDT
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