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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:35:47 AM EDT
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I greatly appreciate the support of those who know me& my comp, Illinois Tactical Firearms Training Institute, Inc. I can tell you I mistakenly fucked up the form, filling it out on my phone. I immediately tried to delete it/ fix it, but wasn't able to do so, so I filed another in Opposition to the bill. Our FB statement is:"Lesson Learned:To clarify, since we have become aware of SB1657 we have been against the idea of Illinois trying to control when the ATF already strictly enforces. We do not feel the Illinois needs to make it harder to become a gun dealer when the process is already difficult and tightly controlled by ATF and ISP. Where we learned our important lesson is when I filled out a Witness Slip Form which was supposed to opposing the bill. Apparently, while I was filling out the form on my phone, while dragging the screen down, I somehow inadvertently changed the stance from opposed to neutral. Since I was not aware of this and did not look it over before I submitted the form, it was never changed back. When I got my confirmation email and saw what it said I had to go change my pants and the quickly filed another Witness Slip, which I carefully ensured it stayed Opposed. Unfortunately, since I did not sign in before submitting the form, I was not able to change the original submission. After speaking with our local representatives, I feel comfortable in saying it does not appear it will clear the House or be signed by the Gov if it does, but neither is guaranteed. If you have any questions, let us know. I re-learned an important lesson, double check your work. To be clear, ITFT is steadfastly against SB1657!!" It was a mistake, no conspiracy, no nothing except a mistake. Now, maybe we can move our focus to those who are supporting the bill and those who could be voting in support, in order to prevent it from getting to the Governor. Confirm email of Opposition has been pasted in FB comments to statement.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:46:32 AM EDT
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I greatly appreciate the support of those who know me& my comp, Illinois Tactical Firearms Training Institute, Inc. I can tell you I mistakenly fucked up the form, filling it out on my phone. I immediately tried to delete it/ fix it, but wasn't able to do so, so I filed another in Opposition to the bill. Our FB statement is:"Lesson Learned:To clarify, since we have become aware of SB1657 we have been against the idea of Illinois trying to control when the ATF already strictly enforces. We do not feel the Illinois needs to make it harder to become a gun dealer when the process is already difficult and tightly controlled by ATF and ISP. Where we learned our important lesson is when I filled out a Witness Slip Form which was supposed to opposing the bill. Apparently, while I was filling out the form on my phone, while dragging the screen down, I somehow inadvertently changed the stance from opposed to neutral. Since I was not aware of this and did not look it over before I submitted the form, it was never changed back. When I got my confirmation email and saw what it said I had to go change my pants and the quickly filed another Witness Slip, which I carefully ensured it stayed Opposed. Unfortunately, since I did not sign in before submitting the form, I was not able to change the original submission. After speaking with our local representatives, I feel comfortable in saying it does not appear it will clear the House or be signed by the Gov if it does, but neither is guaranteed. If you have any questions, let us know. I re-learned an important lesson, double check your work. To be clear, ITFT is steadfastly against SB1657!!" It was a mistake, no conspiracy, no nothing except a mistake. Now, maybe we can move our focus to those who are supporting the bill and those who could be voting in support, in order to prevent it from getting to the Governor. Confirm email of Opposition has been pasted in FB comments to statement. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:48:28 AM EDT
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I greatly appreciate the support of those who know me& my comp, Illinois Tactical Firearms Training Institute, Inc. I can tell you I mistakenly fucked up the form, filling it out on my phone. I immediately tried to delete it/ fix it, but wasn't able to do so, so I filed another in Opposition to the bill. Our FB statement is:"Lesson Learned:To clarify, since we have become aware of SB1657 we have been against the idea of Illinois trying to control when the ATF already strictly enforces. We do not feel the Illinois needs to make it harder to become a gun dealer when the process is already difficult and tightly controlled by ATF and ISP. Where we learned our important lesson is when I filled out a Witness Slip Form which was supposed to opposing the bill. Apparently, while I was filling out the form on my phone, while dragging the screen down, I somehow inadvertently changed the stance from opposed to neutral. Since I was not aware of this and did not look it over before I submitted the form, it was never changed back. When I got my confirmation email and saw what it said I had to go change my pants and the quickly filed another Witness Slip, which I carefully ensured it stayed Opposed. Unfortunately, since I did not sign in before submitting the form, I was not able to change the original submission. After speaking with our local representatives, I feel comfortable in saying it does not appear it will clear the House or be signed by the Gov if it does, but neither is guaranteed. If you have any questions, let us know. I re-learned an important lesson, double check your work. To be clear, ITFT is steadfastly against SB1657!!" It was a mistake, no conspiracy, no nothing except a mistake. Now, maybe we can move our focus to those who are supporting the bill and those who could be voting in support, in order to prevent it from getting to the Governor. Confirm email of Opposition has been pasted in FB comments to statement. I was shocked too & knew it was a mistake. If it wasn't your old Grandpa would be driving up there to beat knots on your head while your Dad held you down! |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:53:02 AM EDT
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I just don't understand their mindset.
I feel lost, my Springfield M1A was the pride of my Fleet. I had wanted one since I was a teenager (I'm 30). Finally got it and finished my add ons like a month ago. It was the one gun I bragged about. Now I just feel ashamed of it. I want to just hide it and forget about it. It's like my world has been turned upside down. Like finding out your wife is cheating on you. My friends ex step dad use to work at Springfield. My friend isn't into guns but his stepdad got me a hoodie, t shirts, hats. I didn't even an SA gun until recently but I was happy to sport their name. Do I hide those clothes away till a 2A supporting company takes them over and rebuilds the rep or turn them into shop rags now? Also I'd say the jury is still out on RRA, I'm not grinding their name off the side of my AR scope mount just yet |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:56:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:05:24 PM EDT
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People said that deal when we boycotted Smith & Wesson into being sold by the backstabbing Brits who owned it then. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:06:06 PM EDT
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Nope, I knew nobody stood a snowball's chance in hell against Shrillary except Trump. Shes lost to Obama,Trump, Bernie Sanders in how many primaries? Far from unbeatable. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:06:22 PM EDT
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Time to boycott Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms like we did S&W?  
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:09:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:12:21 PM EDT
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I greatly appreciate the support of those who know me& my comp, Illinois Tactical Firearms Training Institute, Inc. I can tell you I mistakenly fucked up the form, filling it out on my phone. I immediately tried to delete it/ fix it, but wasn't able to do so, so I filed another in Opposition to the bill. Our FB statement is:"Lesson Learned:To clarify, since we have become aware of SB1657 we have been against the idea of Illinois trying to control when the ATF already strictly enforces. We do not feel the Illinois needs to make it harder to become a gun dealer when the process is already difficult and tightly controlled by ATF and ISP. Where we learned our important lesson is when I filled out a Witness Slip Form which was supposed to opposing the bill. Apparently, while I was filling out the form on my phone, while dragging the screen down, I somehow inadvertently changed the stance from opposed to neutral. Since I was not aware of this and did not look it over before I submitted the form, it was never changed back. When I got my confirmation email and saw what it said I had to go change my pants and the quickly filed another Witness Slip, which I carefully ensured it stayed Opposed. Unfortunately, since I did not sign in before submitting the form, I was not able to change the original submission. After speaking with our local representatives, I feel comfortable in saying it does not appear it will clear the House or be signed by the Gov if it does, but neither is guaranteed. If you have any questions, let us know. I re-learned an important lesson, double check your work. To be clear, ITFT is steadfastly against SB1657!!" It was a mistake, no conspiracy, no nothing except a mistake. Now, maybe we can move our focus to those who are supporting the bill and those who could be voting in support, in order to prevent it from getting to the Governor. Confirm email of Opposition has been pasted in FB comments to statement.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:15:43 PM EDT
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Buy an M14 from Fulton Armory |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:20:21 PM EDT
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Just a mistake. These things happen. I totally believe you. What a shit show. We have all been taught again and again to be certain of what is behind your "target" before you pull the trigger. Sure, it's a plausible excuse. But on something as important as that, you would think he would be certain of the "background" before he "pulled the trigger". WTF? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote Historyhttp://www.gunssavelife.com/isra-sounds-alarm-illinois-gun-dealer-licensing/ jboch on April 30, 2017 at 8:10 am In short, I don't believe Rock River had any contact with the IFMA lobbyist while this went down. They trusted him to represent their interests. Their trust does not seem well placed. Quote Historyhttp://www.gunssavelife.com/isra-sounds-alarm-illinois-gun-dealer-licensing/ jboch on April 30, 2017 at 8:10 am In short, I don't believe Rock River had any contact with the IFMA lobbyist while this went down. They trusted him to represent their interests. Their trust does not seem well placed. Springfield, on the other hand, is joined at the hip with Keller. Springfield is tripling down on stupid despite the pressure. I warned them Wednesday. They ignored that and screwed us on Thursday. I ran into Keller at NRA on Thursday late afternoon. He snarked at me, "Nice article". I replied, "Thanks. You're going to love the next one." So Springfield doubles down on stupid with that statement to TTAG. And they've been working behind the scenes to kill the messenger, tripling down on stupid. Meanwhile, Rock River is freaking out. I feel sorry for them. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:24:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:25:14 PM EDT
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Antis will get a triple win if both those companies fold. They will have effectively curtailed gun owner rights, destroyed two major manufacturers of firearms in their state and they will have destroyed a major source of funding to 2A lobby groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Antis will get a triple win if both those companies fold. They will have effectively curtailed gun owner rights, destroyed two major manufacturers of firearms in their state and they will have destroyed a major source of funding to 2A lobby groups. I have a feeling that this was done without sanction by the lobbists and who knows what was promised in return. If it was sanctioned maybe it was a move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:26:11 PM EDT
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Ah........so RRA might have been hoodwinked............thanks for info. I hope that is the case and they issue a statement telling us that Springfield can "FUCK OFF". While they're at it, maybe they could explain why they abandoned NY private gun owners and support NYSP after the SAFE Act. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:29:40 PM EDT
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"Tripped, fell and landed on Harmon's dick"
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:33:02 PM EDT
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This^^^^ What a shit show. We have all been taught again and again to be certain of what is behind your "target" before you pull the trigger. Sure, it's a plausible excuse. But on something as important as that, you would think he would be certain of the "background" before he "pulled the trigger". WTF? I watched JohnPaul & his brother grow up. They're both like 'my boys'. He's helped my own son a LOT with learning police work & drug work in particular. He fucked up. He knew & posted it on his Facebook before anything was known here. If he could change it back, he would. He can't. Nobody got hurt & we should just be happy it was only a neutral witness slip. He's good & its behind him now. Worry about the ones that intentionally went the way they did & even financed it along the way... |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:33:16 PM EDT
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I'm standing by for the final word. Where's MiamiJBT ?
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:34:31 PM EDT
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I greatly appreciate the support of those who know me& my comp, Illinois Tactical Firearms Training Institute, Inc. I can tell you I mistakenly fucked up the form, filling it out on my phone. I immediately tried to delete it/ fix it, but wasn't able to do so, so I filed another in Opposition to the bill. Our FB statement is:"Lesson Learned:To clarify, since we have become aware of SB1657 we have been against the idea of Illinois trying to control when the ATF already strictly enforces. We do not feel the Illinois needs to make it harder to become a gun dealer when the process is already difficult and tightly controlled by ATF and ISP. Where we learned our important lesson is when I filled out a Witness Slip Form which was supposed to opposing the bill. Apparently, while I was filling out the form on my phone, while dragging the screen down, I somehow inadvertently changed the stance from opposed to neutral. Since I was not aware of this and did not look it over before I submitted the form, it was never changed back. When I got my confirmation email and saw what it said I had to go change my pants and the quickly filed another Witness Slip, which I carefully ensured it stayed Opposed. Unfortunately, since I did not sign in before submitting the form, I was not able to change the original submission. After speaking with our local representatives, I feel comfortable in saying it does not appear it will clear the House or be signed by the Gov if it does, but neither is guaranteed. If you have any questions, let us know. I re-learned an important lesson, double check your work. To be clear, ITFT is steadfastly against SB1657!!" It was a mistake, no conspiracy, no nothing except a mistake. Now, maybe we can move our focus to those who are supporting the bill and those who could be voting in support, in order to prevent it from getting to the Governor. Confirm email of Opposition has been pasted in FB comments to statement.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:35:18 PM EDT
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Antis win 4 fold. Limited rights for us, money for the license, crowd out small dealers,and customer backlash will destroy both Companies. How these 2 companies didn't see this is beyond stupid. WTF! |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:35:40 PM EDT
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Feel free to hit RRA up for some type of answer in their industry forum. Thread appears to be going here:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_38/283188_Very-important-on-why-not-to-support-RRA-anymore.html @RRAMODERATOR |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:36:08 PM EDT
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The longer they wait to say anything, the more it will appear that they're giving tacit confirmation to the public sentiment. A brief statement to the effect of "We did not condone this action, and will release a full statement in the near future" would be good. A CEO being angry and not saying anything seems more like a CEO that's angry about backroom deal-making being made public. While they're at it, maybe they could explain why they abandoned NY private gun owners and support NYSP after the SAFE Act. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:37:53 PM EDT
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In the last year I purchased a Mod 2 and an XDS. I wanted the new XDE....but not now. I love their guns too :(
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:42:30 PM EDT
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Was the bill modified at some point to exempt Illinois manufacturers? And if so, why and who lobbied for it? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:43:18 PM EDT
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"Tripped, fell and landed on Harmon's dick" |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:44:16 PM EDT
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I just don't understand their mindset. I feel lost, my Springfield M1A was the pride of my Fleet. I had wanted one since I was a teenager (I'm 30). Finally got it and finished my add ons like a month ago. It was the one gun I bragged about. Now I just feel ashamed of it. I want to just hide it and forget about it. It's like my world has been turned upside down. Like finding out your wife is cheating on you. My friends ex step dad use to work at Springfield. My friend isn't into guns but his stepdad got me a hoodie, t shirts, hats. I didn't even an SA gun until recently but I was happy to sport their name. Do I hide those clothes away till a 2A supporting company takes them over and rebuilds the rep or turn them into shop rags now? Also I'd say the jury is still out on RRA, I'm not grinding their name off the side of my AR scope mount just yet |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:47:40 PM EDT
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Antis will get a triple win if both those companies fold. They will have effectively curtailed gun owner rights, destroyed two major manufacturers of firearms in their state and they will have destroyed a major source of funding to 2A lobby groups. I have a feeling that this was done without sanction by the lobbists and who knows what was promised in return. If it was sanctioned maybe it was a move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Antis win 4 fold. Limited rights for us, money for the license, crowd out small dealers,and customer backlash will destroy both Companies. How these 2 companies didn't see this is beyond stupid. WTF! I have a feeling that this was done without sanction by the lobbists and who knows what was promised in return. If it was sanctioned maybe it was a move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:53:21 PM EDT
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This why they call 'fucking up'. More than an oops, but a LONG ways from being intentional. I watched JohnPaul & his brother grow up. They're both like 'my boys'. He's helped my own son a LOT with learning police work & drug work in particular. He fucked up. He knew & posted it on his Facebook before anything was known here. If he could change it back, he would. He can't. Nobody got hurt & we should just be happy it was only a neutral witness slip. He's good & its behind him now. Worry about the ones that intentionally went the way they did & even financed it along the way... You make a fuckup and you become an example so others learn from your mistake. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:03:29 PM EDT
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You make an oops you can learn from the mistake. You make a fuckup and you become an example so others learn from your mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This why they call 'fucking up'. More than an oops, but a LONG ways from being intentional. I watched JohnPaul & his brother grow up. They're both like 'my boys'. He's helped my own son a LOT with learning police work & drug work in particular. He fucked up. He knew & posted it on his Facebook before anything was known here. If he could change it back, he would. He can't. Nobody got hurt & we should just be happy it was only a neutral witness slip. He's good & its behind him now. Worry about the ones that intentionally went the way they did & even financed it along the way... You make a fuckup and you become an example so others learn from your mistake. And if this hasn't been an example/learning incident, I'd hate to see a worse one - specially on the level that SA & RRA has taken it... 
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:05:10 PM EDT
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Wow.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:09:55 PM EDT
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RRA may not be complicit in this like SA, but they still fucked up by donating to this lobby and not keeping tabs. Unless that was their plan...
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:12:48 PM EDT
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Why do you think shes unbeatable? Shes lost to Obama,Trump, Bernie Sanders in how many primaries? Far from unbeatable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, I knew nobody stood a snowball's chance in hell against Shrillary except Trump. Shes lost to Obama,Trump, Bernie Sanders in how many primaries? Far from unbeatable. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:17:24 PM EDT
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Every member of GOPe was scared witless of the Clinton Machine and the $1BILLION War Chest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, I knew nobody stood a snowball's chance in hell against Shrillary except Trump. Shes lost to Obama,Trump, Bernie Sanders in how many primaries? Far from unbeatable. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:18:56 PM EDT
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. I feel lost, my Springfield M1A was the pride of my Fleet. I had wanted one since I was a teenager (I'm 30). Finally got it and finished my add ons like a month ago. It was the one gun I bragged about. Now I just feel ashamed of it. I want to just hide it and forget about it. It's like my world has been turned upside down. Like finding out your wife is cheating on you. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:19:46 PM EDT
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I've said it a couple of times in this thread and the other one.
It's 2017. You have 48 hours at most before negative social media significantly damages your corporate reputation. A carefully scripted, lawyer approved statement from your CEO issued at the 49th hour is too fucking late. Rock River had better get a smart social media person on to this or they will go down with the ship. If you have a corporate social media account, it has to be monitored 24/7/365 by a smart competent adult. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:20:17 PM EDT
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I'm standing by for the final word. Where's MiamiJBT ? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:21:30 PM EDT
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Why do you think shes unbeatable? Shes lost to Obama,Trump, Bernie Sanders in how many primaries? Far from unbeatable. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:29:57 PM EDT
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I just don't understand their mindset. I feel lost, my Springfield M1A was the pride of my Fleet. I had wanted one since I was a teenager (I'm 30). Finally got it and finished my add ons like a month ago. It was the one gun I bragged about. Now I just feel ashamed of it. I want to just hide it and forget about it. It's like my world has been turned upside down. Like finding out your wife is cheating on you. My friends ex step dad use to work at Springfield. My friend isn't into guns but his stepdad got me a hoodie, t shirts, hats. I didn't even an SA gun until recently but I was happy to sport their name. Do I hide those clothes away till a 2A supporting company takes them over and rebuilds the rep or turn them into shop rags now? Also I'd say the jury is still out on RRA, I'm not grinding their name off the side of my AR scope mount just yet Individuals sold people out, not your rifle. SA still has awesome products that I'd be proud to own, but as long as there is evidence that the leadership sold us out, I'll not give another cent to those at the helm. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:32:25 PM EDT
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I've said it a couple of times in this thread and the other one. It's 2017. You have 48 hours at most before negative social media significantly damages your corporate reputation. A carefully scripted, lawyer approved statement from your CEO issued at the 49th hour is too fucking late. Rock River had better get a smart social media person on to this or they will go down with the ship. If you have a corporate social media account, it has to be monitored 24/7/365 by a smart competent adult. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:33:44 PM EDT
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Shitty as what they did is, I'd say you need bigger problems if it's affecting you that much. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:38:56 PM EDT
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Every member of GOPe was scared witless of the Clinton Machine and the $1BILLION War Chest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, I knew nobody stood a snowball's chance in hell against Shrillary except Trump. Shes lost to Obama,Trump, Bernie Sanders in how many primaries? Far from unbeatable. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:45:54 PM EDT
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Shitty as what they did is, I'd say you need bigger problems if it's affecting you that much. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:46:08 PM EDT
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More to come... http://www.gunssavelife.com/isra-sounds-alarm-illinois-gun-dealer-licensing/ jboch on April 30, 2017 at 8:10 am Stay tuned for an editorial about this tonight. Actually, a version of it goes up at The Truth About Guns in an hour or two. In short, I don't believe Rock River had any contact with the IFMA lobbyist while this went down. They trusted him to represent their interests. Their trust does not seem well placed. Springfield, on the other hand, is joined at the hip with Keller. Springfield is tripling down on stupid despite the pressure. I warned them Wednesday. They ignored that and screwed us on Thursday. I ran into Keller at NRA on Thursday late afternoon. He snarked at me, "Nice article". I replied, "Thanks. You're going to love the next one." So Springfield doubles down on stupid with that statement to TTAG. And they've been working behind the scenes to kill the messenger, tripling down on stupid. Digging even deeper, I've heard scuttlebutt they tried to get the NRA to pull my media credentials – and ditto for TTAG. And on and on. Meanwhile, Rock River is freaking out. I feel sorry for them. Right now though, Springfield's Dennis Reese isn't thinking clearly, and with each passing hour of his increasingly hostile behavior, this situation grows worse for his beleaguered company. He made his bed. Let him sleep in it. It's really a shame because Springfield does make some good guns – like the Mod2 and the M14. They can keep their HiPoint with a Hammer, otherwise known as the Judas. This is the kind of thing that destroys a company. If I were the company owner/CEO and was at a trade show and made aware of something going on like this that I didnt agree with, I would be making it know across the airwaves and across the social media sites that I did NOT support this and legal action would be taken for defaming my company. Slander and Liable are court actionable...... The silence from them is deafening. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:00:50 PM EDT
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Antis will get a triple win if both those companies fold. They will have effectively curtailed gun owner rights, destroyed two major manufacturers of firearms in their state and they will have destroyed a major source of funding to 2A lobby groups. I have a feeling that this was done without sanction by the lobbists and who knows what was promised in return. If it was sanctioned maybe it was a move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Antis win 4 fold. Limited rights for us, money for the license, crowd out small dealers,and customer backlash will destroy both Companies. How these 2 companies didn't see this is beyond stupid. WTF! I have a feeling that this was done without sanction by the lobbists and who knows what was promised in return. If it was sanctioned maybe it was a move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote. They only win temporarily. They will have shot their wad with these two manufacturers and this lobbyist. Who will trust them again? Who will buy from them again after this? This was a one-and-done gambit. And if it doesnt work out for the anti's, it burned two potential manufacturers and a lobbyist they cannot use in this manner again. You've implied you're an attorney...what possible move would be worth this amount of damage to "move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote"? I'm just a street cop, so I'm not following your logic here. Cause what I see are two well respected manufacturers who have a long and storied history in the industry, being accused of something pretty unforgivable in their profession, and in case, they chose to double down on the stupid, and in the other, media black out vs an immediate and strong denial. The best possible defense provided is your statement above that they might be trading this vote for a more important one to come? Really?????? Pretty weak theory IMO.... |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:30:10 PM EDT
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You two are missing a crucial point in the "Anti's Win" mindset: They only win temporarily. They will have shot their wad with these two manufacturers and this lobbyist. Who will trust them again? Who will buy from them again after this? This was a one-and-done gambit. And if it doesnt work out for the anti's, it burned two potential manufacturers and a lobbyist they cannot use in this manner again. You've implied you're an attorney...what possible move would be worth this amount of damage to "move toward self preservation to fight another day or with knowledge the bill will die in the house and to garner favor on another more serious vote"? I'm just a street cop, so I'm not following your logic here. Cause what I see are two well respected manufacturers who have a long and storied history in the industry, being accused of something pretty unforgivable in their profession, and in case, they chose to double down on the stupid, and in the other, media black out vs an immediate and strong denial. The best possible defense provided is your statement above that they might be trading this vote for a more important one to come? Really?????? Pretty weak theory IMO.... I'm not trying to denigrate anybody's outrage, I'm pissed too. But I don't want to misdirect, waste or throw away possibility of reparation or rehabilitation either. Shit NRA itself has pissed on it's own membership in the past and just did again on the bylaws ammendments and yet you're still a "cuck" if you don't join or donate around here. Politics makes strange bedfellows, Everybody may be proven right on this and we may lose two manufacturers over it... that to me sucks and is a loss, I don't like to lose. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:42:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Yes, it appears the bill was modified to exempt manufacturers, but i dont know who lobbied for it. The information I went through was a post from The Truth About Guns.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:50:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Spoke with Justin Pertrick today. I asked and went over in detail what I knew. He was polite and respectful. But basically the official line from him was "No Comment". |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:51:36 PM EDT
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I greatly appreciate the support of those who know me& my comp, Illinois Tactical Firearms Training Institute, Inc. I can tell you I mistakenly fucked up the form, filling it out on my phone. I immediately tried to delete it/ fix it, but wasn't able to do so, so I filed another in Opposition to the bill. Our FB statement is:"Lesson Learned:To clarify, since we have become aware of SB1657 we have been against the idea of Illinois trying to control when the ATF already strictly enforces. We do not feel the Illinois needs to make it harder to become a gun dealer when the process is already difficult and tightly controlled by ATF and ISP. Where we learned our important lesson is when I filled out a Witness Slip Form which was supposed to opposing the bill. Apparently, while I was filling out the form on my phone, while dragging the screen down, I somehow inadvertently changed the stance from opposed to neutral. Since I was not aware of this and did not look it over before I submitted the form, it was never changed back. When I got my confirmation email and saw what it said I had to go change my pants and the quickly filed another Witness Slip, which I carefully ensured it stayed Opposed. Unfortunately, since I did not sign in before submitting the form, I was not able to change the original submission. After speaking with our local representatives, I feel comfortable in saying it does not appear it will clear the House or be signed by the Gov if it does, but neither is guaranteed. If you have any questions, let us know. I re-learned an important lesson, double check your work. To be clear, ITFT is steadfastly against SB1657!!" It was a mistake, no conspiracy, no nothing except a mistake. Now, maybe we can move our focus to those who are supporting the bill and those who could be voting in support, in order to prevent it from getting to the Governor. Confirm email of Opposition has been pasted in FB comments to statement. So why was a cut out made for Springfield and RRA in the bill if it was just a mistake on a form? Sorry, you got caught, called out on it and now you are scrambling for a plausible excuse. I don't believe you traitor. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:53:09 PM EDT
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There's another indisputable fact circa 2017.
You're either with us or you're against us when it comes to politics. The days of compromise or neutrality are over for the foreseeable future. For the next 4 years we have to be 100% balls to the wall on the attack when it comes to pro-2nd politics. You either get on board the bus or you get run over by it. Period. |
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