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I know a guy who goes there pretty often. He shoots very well.
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[#3]
Isn't that place owned by a Scientologist?
http://www.dianahsieh.com/frontsight/ Yep, that's the one. Good review/post, but I'll never do business with any of those morons. |
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Done any of the advanced classes? View Quote |
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Isn't that place owned by a Scientologist? http://www.dianahsieh.com/frontsight/ Yep, that's the one. Good review/post, but I'll never do business with any of those morons. View Quote |
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I took the 4 day handgun class in 2000, when all they had for facilities was a Sprung tent, some connex boxes and porta potties.
And the shoot house was plywood. I can't remember whether or not the main road was even paved then. I really enjoyed the shootoff competition event the last day. Our class winner then shot against the winner from the shotgun class. The first shotgun round, the hostage rescue head shot, flung the 40lb target completely off the stand and 10 plus feet back! Awesome! Going for a week at the end of the year with friends for two different classes. |
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[#7]
I've taken the pistol class, practical rifle a couple times and precision rifle a couple times. Always a good time out there.
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[#8]
Been there a half-dozen times and love it. Your assessment is right on the money.
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[#9]
Thanks for the AAR!
Good report; the pro/con and the photos are a big plus. How did this experience compare to other well-known classes you have done? |
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[#10]
That's a huge fucking class.
+1 for people getting trained though. |
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[#11]
I've been there 4 or 5 times. Great classes but I am excited to move onto the next level as I DG'd defensive handgun, shotgun and carbine.
Piazza is a nut. I'm glad he isnt there anymore. |
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[#12]
I have a A pistol course there that I paid for six or seven years ago, I'm going to get there some day.
And it was really cheap, I can remember but it was a special @ 80 bucks or some crazy. I call there last year to make sure it was still good & they said yep your good to go. |
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Ok....what in the hell is "malfs" I know I'm going to feel stupid.
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Yep I was right....feel a little stupid. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ok....what in the hell is "malfs" I know I'm going to feel stupid. *and such a great avatar!! |
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Instructors demonstrate techniques, including shooting before asking students to do them. Our RM, in particular, was a fucking amazing shot and extremely fast for a 60 year old heavy set guy. He was also hilarious. All of my instructors were prior .mil and had solid credentials in addition to being FS instructors. https://preview.ibb.co/nuwhBQ/IMG_20170423_081538.jpg[/url] View Quote One thing I learned very long ago is not to fuck with old fat guys who demonstrate even a little proficiency with guns or martial arts. You will be not only surprised; but you could end up on the wrong side of an asswhoopin' or a severe case of lead poisoning by bullets. Never know what could've happened to them medically or whatever---I underestimate nobody. |
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Meh... let those without sin cast the first stone. *and such a great avatar!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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[#20]
Thank you SDSG you answered everything I was wondering about Frontsight. I have one of their certificates and I think I will be looking for someone to sell it to. I have too many decent training outfits much closer to me for me to consider going down there.
Those classes were just absurdly yugge! Oh and what does SDSG mean/reference? |
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[#21]
I've been to that class. Solid instruction, IMHO
I've also taken Copper's defensive pistol class, but at Whittington, when he was "in exile" from Gunsite I think the two courses were roughly equivalent. BTW, my head instructor at Whittington was some knotted named Rich Wyatt Edit to correct autocorrect |
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Where is he? I still get non stop emails from him. He is still affilliated. View Quote |
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He is affiliated but doesn't show up anymore. I think he lives in his mansion in CA. There is another guy who pretty much runs the show. I can't recall his name but he does a lot of the talks there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where is he? I still get non stop emails from him. He is still affilliated. |
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Brad Ackman. Piazza is still very much leading the company, you just won't find him out roaming the ranges or bullshitting with students in the classroom. Since they closed the head office in Windsor, CA and moved all operations on-site, and with the new construction, I'd imagine he's spending a lot more time out there than in recent years, though. View Quote I have a buddy who is down there quite often. Probably takes 6-10 classes a year. He has been going since close to day one and has advanced pretty far up into the class levels. According to him he saw piazza years back but never since then. |
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Ive been with front sight since they offered a free one day Uzi course and bought a copper membership for a discounted $2000 20 years ago. Good classes. I've been there about a dozen times and dist grad pistol rifle and shotgun. Adv tactical handgun is good if youve never done stuff like that before...shoot on the move, move to cover, shoot house, and improving the basics.
The 4 day handgun used to have more activities like walk and shoot in the canyon and night fire. I call fs the Wal-Mart of shooting schools. Cheap and great value, appeals to the masses, and for all skill levels. But there are better schools out there shooting wise. |
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I won the shoot-out for all bays plus shotty the year the wife and I went, 2003.
It was tents but the road was paved. Missed DG by one point. Got buzzed by A-10's. Wife got the Ros into a tizzy by confronting a tarantula and going to hand on pistol but not drawn. "Aggressor has venom and is within 20 feet." They all thought that was hilarious. "Please do not shoot the spider." I had a malfunction where I caught my concealment shirt between the pistol grip and my hand on the draw on the speedwork section...when I got it clear and on target I shot as the target turned and my wife to my left said "You are such an a$$hole..." cause I had split the occular section completely in two. It got the ROs going also. We stayed in Pahrump at the wheel in the room with the stripper shower. |
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Ive been with front sight since they offered a free one day Uzi course and bought a copper membership for a discounted $2000 20 years ago. Good classes. I've been there about a dozen times and dist grad pistol rifle and shotgun. Adv tactical handgun is good if youve never done stuff like that before...shoot on the move, move to cover, shoot house, and improving the basics. The 4 day handgun used to have more activities like walk and shoot in the canyon and night fire. I call fs the Wal-Mart of shooting schools. Cheap and great value, appeals to the masses, and for all skill levels. But there are better schools out there shooting wise. View Quote |
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Ive been with front sight since they offered a free one day Uzi course and bought a copper membership for a discounted $2000 20 years ago. Good classes. I've been there about a dozen times and dist grad pistol rifle and shotgun. Adv tactical handgun is good if youve never done stuff like that before...shoot on the move, move to cover, shoot house, and improving the basics. The 4 day handgun used to have more activities like walk and shoot in the canyon and night fire. I call fs the Wal-Mart of shooting schools. Cheap and great value, appeals to the masses, and for all skill levels. But there are better schools out there shooting wise. View Quote |
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$500 a day and 20 to one instructor ratio is "cheap and great value"? View Quote The market is flush with course certificates and lifetime memberships. You can pick up the latter for under $50. |
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$500 a day and 20 to one instructor ratio is "cheap and great value"? View Quote I've taken 120 hours of instruction there, and I paid far less than 2k for my membership, but even if I did thats pretty good value. Its also unlimited, as I imagine his is... which means you can keep going back as much as you want. A lot of things can be said about FS but if you dont consider it a good value, you either dont train often, or you got ripped off when you bought in. |
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[#34]
Some foreign investors bought out one of big local ranges so they could compete with Front Sight as a premier training venue.
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Min shooter to instructor ratio is 7:1. Still too high IMO, but it is what it is. You also have a buddy system "coach" who watches out for things like safety issues. I've taken 120 hours of instruction there, and I paid far less than 2k for my membership, but even if I did thats pretty good value. Its also unlimited, as I imagine his is... which means you can keep going back as much as you want. A lot of things can be said about FS but if you dont consider it a good value, you either dont train often, or you got ripped off when you bought in. View Quote Personally there is very little value for me at Front Sight and would never consider any training company needing to resort to that kind of marketing technique. Not meaning to be such a negative nelly but any organization still teaching Weaver is literally making worse shooters, not better shooters. |
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I am glad you consider your time and money well spent. Personally there is very little value for me at Front Sight and would never consider any training company needing to resort to that kind of marketing technique. Not meaning to be such a negative nelly but any organization still teaching Weaver is literally making worse shooters, not better shooters. View Quote Here is Cooper's stance on the subject: "“It hardly matters whether you use the Weaver Stance or the Isosceles with both arms straight as long as you get hits and those hits should be delivered with a major-powered sidearm under controlled conditions. The argument is silly, and I wish it would go away”." I find the idea that someone is going to stand in a specific stance while bullets are whizzing at them laughable, but YMMV. |
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That looks awesome! I wish we could go down and get training in the states. There isn't much in Canada and they are sold out in a day usually. (I'm only signed up for one carbine course this summer)
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I was happy to point out FS's shortcomings and I dont want to get into a pissing match, but taking untrained shooters and teaching them Weaver along with solid fundamentals in marksmanship and gun safety is hardly "making worse shooters". Doesnt Gunsite still teach Weaver as well? Here is Cooper's stance on the subject: "“It hardly matters whether you use the Weaver Stance or the Isosceles with both arms straight as long as you get hits and those hits should be delivered with a major-powered sidearm under controlled conditions. The argument is silly, and I wish it would go away”." I find the idea that someone is going to stand in a specific stance while bullets are whizzing at them laughable, but YMMV. View Quote There are multiple shooting disciplines that objectively time and score a shooter's ability to quickly hit targets and using a Weaver stance will ensure a shooter is never competitive. If you feel your training has not been adequate enough to give you a solid base that you can default to under stress that might be a clue as to the value of said training. Just Sayin. |
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Forgot to tag @Spent_Casing who requested I do this to begin with!
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Of course Cooper wanted the argument to go away, he was on the wrong side. There are multiple shooting disciplines that objectively time and score a shooter's ability to quickly hit targets and using a Weaver stance will ensure a shooter is never competitive. If you feel your training has not been adequate enough to give you a solid base that you can default to under stress that might be a clue as to the value of said training. Just Sayin. View Quote You missed the part about how I can successfully use both. You also missed the part about not getting into a pissing contest. Just Sayin. |
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a guy I work with, recently went to FS and as a fairly new shooter he enjoyed it and wants to go to more at FS.
But damn that is a lot of people, I prefer having inexperienced shooters together and experienced together, then the instructors can give lots of hands on to those new shooters. The experienced shooters then won't be slowed down as much. |
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Forgot to tag @Spent_Casing who requested I do this to begin with! At the absolute highest levels of competition you'd be correct, which is a laughable comparison. You missed the part about how I can successfully use both. You also missed the part about not getting into a pissing contest. Just Sayin. View Quote And yeah, I agree. Those class sizes are yuge. |
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