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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:09:54 PM EDT
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No different than what ISIS is doing to history...
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:11:20 PM EDT
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So are they still moving them? You're right-it did fade out of the news rather quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep.. and it all died out when the fact that the property he's buried on goes back to the family if he and his wife are moved. Our former kiddie diddling CFO (whom just so happened to be the former mayors real estate guy) had dreams of making the park NBF is buried in a parking lot for the community college. It'll be interesting to see what gets built on the sites after the monuments are removed and to whose hands all the money for the properties and development goes through. You're right-it did fade out of the news rather quickly. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:11:26 PM EDT
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I really don't think we should have monuments to those who tried to overthrow the government. We don't have monuments to others who have done so
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:17:11 PM EDT
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Don't care either way.
But I am amused by the people who do not understand the difference between historical study and historical commemoration. Monuments are commemorative objects that represent a community's chosen image of the past. Their placement and removal have more to do with a community's self image than with historical education. Both sides of this public debate are driven by "muh feelz." |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:19:36 PM EDT
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Leave the Confederate monuments alone. Period.
It's a slippery slope people. For now, the left will let the yankee monuments alone because slaves. But next it'll be Jefferson, Washington, etc since they owned slaves. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:24:18 PM EDT
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According to NPR these were "Monuments to white supremacy"
Not joking... |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Whatever side you are on or feel compassion for, its part of our history. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This 100%. Like it, or not agree with it or not, it's a huge part of our history and part of what makes what we are today. We should not be trying to hide or change our history, removing things does not make it go away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever side you are on or feel compassion for, its part of our history. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:37:19 PM EDT
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So, how many former presidents do we purge from history for owning slaves?
How many former military personnel, in the history books now, are purged for having fought for the south? Do we purge the states that seceded from the rolls of the states that make up the USA? Where does it end. When we (Americans) make mistakes, do we erase it from the history books? Or do we study it, teach it and learn from it? I swear America gets dumber every time a liberal/progressive/democrat/socialist opens up their mouth to voice their opinion. And worse than that, we let them have their way about their silly wants and needs. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:40:23 PM EDT
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I really don't think we should have monuments to those who tried to overthrow the government. We don't have monuments to others who have done so We're not talking about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor here...................... |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:41:49 PM EDT
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28 people think theyre racist? Fucking tyrants.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:45:34 PM EDT
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Ever go to one of those gatherings of VN people in America. A lot of them still wave the S. Viet Namese flag.
Oh yeah......they must be ___fill in a liberal outrage of your choice___. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:45:51 PM EDT
[#13]
No, certainly not.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:56:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Does this mean the removal of Albert Pike's statue?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:56:42 PM EDT
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Oh yeah....and American vets who served in the VN War have the flag of S. Viet Nam as the colors in their "service award medal." Sorry, if I didn't get the term correct. Also I've seen that flag design on Lic plates.
So.... Should America/Americans also have the award removed (or re-designed and re-issued). Because afterall, we're such close friends with the NEW Viet Nam and I'm sure it offends someone over there. Maybe, Jane Fonda (she's still alive) could enlighten us? I would have asked Tom Hayden to chime in, except that he's dead. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:04:40 PM EDT
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No, The Confederacy is part of the history of our country.
If you believe the war was about slavery,states rights, or an over bearing federal government,or what ever, those men fought bravely. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:09:25 PM EDT
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First they came for the Confederate monuments, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Confederate. Then they came for the other war monuments, and I did not speak out— Because I had never gone to war. Then they came for the museums, and I did not speak out— Because I had no use for museums. Then they came for the libraries, and I did not speak out— Because I had never been to a library. Then the came for the Churches . . . 
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:11:40 PM EDT
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whether monuments, plaques they are stone or bronze reminders of how we got to here. Clearly liberal teachers will not teach truthful history in school anymore, politicians with law degrees will bend the law in favor of their own personal goals so they will bulldoze over mt. vernon if it wins them a district.
all the rosa parks statues are going to get old. "we all died a little bit in that damn war" monuments let us know for what. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:18:10 PM EDT
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I have a huge tree on my property that is dying-was a big tree back in 1937 photos.The things they have seen.......... My roots are deeper than the bones, the others My colors that change with the sun My branches, we're higher Than anything on the hillside On the day that I watched them all come Some wear the color of the sky in the winter Some, we're as blue as the night They came like a storm with the light of the morn And they fell through the whole day and night Colors flew high and they danced in the sky As I watched them come over the hill Then to my wonder, sticks that made thunder Such a great number lay still When the light came again There was death on the wind As the buzzards made way for the worms And the little white trees that don't bend in the breeze For the ones that will never return Colors flew high and they danced in the sky As I watched them come over the hill Then to my wonder, sticks that made thunder Such a great number lay still Those that have fallen, come when I call them And answer the best that they can But all they can see is what they used to be And that's all that they understand Colors flew high and they danced in the sky As I watched them come over the hill Then to my wonder, sticks that made thunder Such a great number lay still Colors flew high and they danced in the sky As I watched them come over the hill Then to my wonder, sticks that made thunder Such a great number lay still |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
So, how many former presidents do we purge from history for owning slaves? How many former military personnel, in the history books now, are purged for having fought for the south? Do we purge the states that seceded from the rolls of the states that make up the USA? Where does it end. When we (Americans) make mistakes, do we erase it from the history books? Or do we study it, teach it and learn from it? I swear America gets dumber every time a liberal/progressive/democrat/socialist opens up their mouth to voice their opinion. And worse than that, we let them have their way about their silly wants and needs. Right now, if your community voted to construct a large monument to Obama, are you saying that you would unquestionably support it? Because according to you, and most of the people who responded to this thread, if something is part of history, it automatically deserves a monument. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:28:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I really don't think we should have monuments to those who tried to overthrow the government. We don't have monuments to others who have done so 
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:30:23 PM EDT
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NO.
I haven't seen one in the news that was racist at all. It's history. Removing or destroying it doesn't change what happened. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:30:51 PM EDT
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"We wants reparations!!"
"For what? Did something happen?" 
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:33:16 PM EDT
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Was on a business trip in Arkansas. Walking around the small town square. Co-Worker (sheltered Yankee) was reading the plaque about the figure in the statue. All of a sudden he looks at me and says, "hey, that's a Confederate!" Like only the winners got monuments. The winner's version of history isn't always right. Leave the monuments. For better or worse, they are our past. Can't change it.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
First they came for the Confederate monuments, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Confederate. Then they came for the other war monuments, and I did not speak out— Because I had never gone to war. Then they came for the museums, and I did not speak out— Because I had no use for museums. Then they came for the libraries, and I did not speak out— Because I had never been to a library. Then the came for the Churches . . . Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:35:00 PM EDT
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Why the hell should a victorious nation have monuments to a defeated foe? Take em down and replace them with monuments to the winning side.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:38:39 PM EDT
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Can a gov of the people, by the people, for the people ever overthrow the gov? If they are the gov? Succeed is the word, boss. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really don't think we should have monuments to those who tried to overthrow the government. We don't have monuments to others who have done so |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:39:31 PM EDT
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I can't believe that 33 people actually approve of this marxist 'history erasing'
EDIT: In this thread more GD SJW's out themselves |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 8:10:54 PM EDT
[#29]
No, they should remain where they are.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:13:28 PM EDT
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Yep,And Lincoln was all about freeing the slaves no matter what....... I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. However, whether or not the the United States was fighting the south to free the slaves or not was irrelevant for the reason of the South's secession. We know why the South seceded (or, at least, why the South's leaders decided to secede). Lincoln's first and foremost concern was the preservation of the Union. So, naturally, he would say anything to make that notion clear, even if it came to saying he would do it if it didn't abolish slavery. Allowing the Union to break apart, and possibly ultimately dissolve, was of far greater existential threat at the time than slavery was. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:15:49 PM EDT
[#31]
I'm content to leave it up to the local (long time) residents. It's none of my business.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:15:59 PM EDT
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It's stupid to go around removing history.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:19:01 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Leave the Confederate monuments alone. Period.
It's a slippery slope people. For now, the left will let the yankee monuments alone because slaves. But next it'll be Jefferson, Washington, etc since they owned slaves. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 7:49:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why the hell should a victorious nation have monuments to a defeated foe? Take em down and replace them with monuments to the winning side. 
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Posted: 4/25/2017 7:52:12 AM EDT
[#35]
No.
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Posted: 4/25/2017 7:55:32 AM EDT
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NO!
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Posted: 4/25/2017 7:56:02 AM EDT
[#37]
No.
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Of course I support it. Just like I support ISIS blowing up ruins  
Actually I think both those groups need to have their collective asses handed to them. To say that I am tired of the SJW/Anitifa/commies/Isis (anyone else that fits into that group) antics is the understatement of the century. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:07:50 AM EDT
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Nope.
I see both sides but I rationalize that by leaving visible signs of the past it will encourage and teach just by example. Of course, this is predicated on a certain amount of inherent intellectual curiosity. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:10:40 AM EDT
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Should the Government take down Jeff Davis home or remove the headstones from the graves at Beauvoir with CSA on them?
http://www.visitbeauvoir.org/about-beauvoir |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:15:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
So the "North" won and we have all since lost because of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell should a victorious nation have monuments to a defeated foe? Take em down and replace them with monuments to the winning side. 
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:16:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:17:30 AM EDT
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We have to begin the process of consigning people and events to the memory hole somewhere ...
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:28:05 AM EDT
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Absolutely fucking no.
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:31:20 AM EDT
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In general, no. But there are some instances where I believe the relocation of those monuments has been/is justified. I can see moving a few here and there if there is some pressing need or value for the greater good of all in doing so. But removing them just to be politically correct and because some beta cuck phaggots got offended? Uhhh, no. Fuck 'em. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:32:32 AM EDT
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Do I support the government removal of landmarks that are historically and socially relevant to portions of the population?
Simply because a different portion of the population doesn't like them? Of course not. I would love to hear someone who does, explain it using logic. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:35:25 AM EDT
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I'm in favor of doing anything and everything to piss off the South enough to rise again. 
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:38:04 AM EDT
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What would be gained?
The professionally, perpetually butthurt will simply pick a bigger, more ridiculous target and start harping away at that. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:38:40 AM EDT
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Why do we care, they lost. They're losers. You don't get a trophy for 2nd
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Posted: 4/25/2017 8:42:57 AM EDT
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This yankee says no.
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