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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:57:37 PM EDT
Yes it's long but it's a reasonable, well done test of these two calibers.
 Police Pistols: 9 mm vs. .40 S&W |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:04:17 PM EDT
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TL;DW
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:07:40 PM EDT
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Watching now, will watch in more detail after work...
Right off the top of my head I would say comparing the heavy 180 grain .40 loading to the light 115 grain 9mm loading is a mistake. Gold dot 124 and 165 grain would have been better. But hey, the guy is doing science in that he is testing and showing the results. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:08:11 PM EDT
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Dat push pull grip...
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:11:23 PM EDT
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Watching now, will watch in more detail after work... Right off the top of my head I would say comparing the heavy 180 grain .40 loading to the light 115 grain 9mm loading is a mistake. Gold dot 124 and 165 grain would have been better. But hey, the guy is doing science in that he is testing and showing the results. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:18:36 PM EDT
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Tag fo dat shitshow
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:32:13 PM EDT
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Good video. He's obviously a good shooter.
If you keep watching he does test Hornaday Critical Duty in both calibers. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:35:27 PM EDT
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This again? Why can't we just leave it at "carry what you shoot best?"
The tiny differences between the two cartridges are insignificant, even more so when you realize the likelihood of you having to use it on a living target are very slim. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:38:04 PM EDT
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Decent video, though he should've used Federal 124 gn HST's as a relevant comparable to the duty grade 40's.
He is a good shooter, and the simulated meat target was entertaining. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:38:49 PM EDT
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This again? Why can't we just leave it at "carry what you shoot best?" The tiny differences between the two cartridges are insignificant, even more so when you realize the likelihood of you having to use it on a living target are very slim. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:39:10 PM EDT
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Battle? Seriously OP?
War has ended. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:40:50 PM EDT
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Exactly. Unless what you shoot best with is a 9mm, then you're a pussy. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:48:41 PM EDT
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There isnt a battle, the market is running away at speed from the 40. The only people buying them are brand new shooters, police officers who have no choice and those looking for a cheap gun. We literally put 40 cal versions of used pistols at $75-100 less than the 9mm version, the 9mm still moves faster.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:54:24 PM EDT
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Battle? Seriously OP? War has ended. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:58:35 PM EDT
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Great, he can shoot well. Now have him take Officer 5' nothing who weighs 105 lb. and have her shoot the drills.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:01:41 PM EDT
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I thought that too but it looked like he was starting out with what would be each caliber's standard load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching now, will watch in more detail after work... Right off the top of my head I would say comparing the heavy 180 grain .40 loading to the light 115 grain 9mm loading is a mistake. Gold dot 124 and 165 grain would have been better. But hey, the guy is doing science in that he is testing and showing the results. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:37:50 PM EDT
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Very few "carry" 115gr 9x19mm. 124gr or 147gr would be more of a "standard" defensive load. Rather than be cryptic, I will tell you. He also compared 135g 9mm to 175g .40, both Hornady critical duty, as well as ball ammo through different media. Seemed like a pretty fair test to me. Here is what I gathered from the video: - .40 has more energy than 9mm. This is a proveable fact; math and physics don't lie. - .40 is as inherently accurate as 9mm - 9mm allows for faster follow up shots - 9mm will give you two more rounds in a full size double stack magazine - If you select the proper ammunition for 9mm (heavier bullet weight with bonded core), performance will pretty much equal .40 - This guy knows how to shoot a handgun. People who don't know how to shoot a handgun will benefit very little from any of the advantages of either caliber |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:42:32 PM EDT
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9 or 45 is the debate
There is no 40 |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:45:41 PM EDT
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9 or 45 is the debate There is no 40 |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:47:18 PM EDT
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Another caliber fight.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:50:25 PM EDT
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You're wrong. The debate is between 9 and 40 for second place. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:50:47 PM EDT
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Great, he can shoot well. Now have him take Officer 5' nothing who weighs 105 lb. and have her shoot the drills. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:57:26 PM EDT
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Watching now, will watch in more detail after work... Right off the top of my head I would say comparing the heavy 180 grain .40 loading to the light 115 grain 9mm loading is a mistake. Gold dot 124 and 165 grain would have been better. But hey, the guy is doing science in that he is testing and showing the results. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:59:15 PM EDT
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You're wrong. The debate is between 9 and 40 for second place. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:01:55 PM EDT
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I like them all.
I have several 45s, 40s, and 9s, and feel comfortable with the stopping power of every one. They each fill a spot in my collection and each serve their own purpose. In typical ARFCOM fashion, get them all! |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:05:15 PM EDT
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I like them all. I have several 45s, 40s, and 9s, and feel comfortable with the stopping power of every one. They each fill a spot in my collection and each serve their own purpose. In typical ARFCOM fashion, get them all! |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:06:32 PM EDT
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Not really, as no one with a .40 carries 165 grain. We currently use a 180 grain load in our issued Sig 229 pistols. For almost a decade, we were using a 155g JHP with a velocity of 1,250 fps. That's 535 fpe kiddos - hardly short and weak. I currently carry a G19 loaded with agency issued 124g +P Speer Gold Dot JHP. Not necessarily because I prefer 9mm, but rather because I prefer the Glock 19 over the Sig 229. Both will put a man down if you make your hits. The .40 vs. 9mm debate on here is ridiculous. .40 isn't going anywhere. Just a few gun store commandos that wish it would. Reminds me of the same blather that was thrown around a decade ago by internet warriors about 5.56 being an ineffective mouse gun caliber and that the military should only carry 12 lb. rifles with wood stocks chambered in at least .308. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:09:17 PM EDT
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Not really, as no one with a .40 carries 165 grain. PS: With today's loads they are both very capable calibers. Contrary to a lot of opinions the .40 is as popular as ever. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:10:21 PM EDT
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Right you are, sir! My feelings as well. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:12:39 PM EDT
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This is what the "battle" between 9mm and .40 really is.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:18:14 PM EDT
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Not really, as no one with a .40 carries 165 grain. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:19:09 PM EDT
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What round for posters who start these threads?
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:20:03 PM EDT
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What round for posters who start these threads? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:25:23 PM EDT
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Brothers used to say my 9. Now they say my fotay.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:29:12 PM EDT
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Not really, as no one with a .40 carries 165 grain. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:30:06 PM EDT
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Good video.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:30:52 PM EDT
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9 or 45 is the debate There is no 40 |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:40:49 PM EDT
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40 is gay
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:59:15 PM EDT
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This is what the "battle" between 9mm and .40 really is.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/03/58/29/0358295bcc42d617c6cd660af96e34eb.gif |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:09:28 PM EDT
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This is what the "battle" between 9mm and .40 really is.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/03/58/29/0358295bcc42d617c6cd660af96e34eb.gif
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:52:01 PM EDT
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He is a fairly stout man. My arms are certainly not as big as hams, and most female arms surely are not that large. The difference between 9mm recoil and 40S&W recoil in my hands is quite significant. I do agree that 40S&W hits harder, and I think that's obvious.
The question was never which one hits harder, but is whether the 9mm is sufficient. You get less recoil, more ammo, and a lower sound signature (especially in 147gr subsonic) with 9mm. So if it can penetrate as deep, which he proved it could, then I'd call that satisfactory. To be fair, I believe officers who can shoot a 40 as well as a 9mm should be able to carry 40. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 12:55:48 AM EDT
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40 is gay |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 12:59:42 AM EDT
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What round for posters who start these threads? Trouble, like luck, comes in threes. And a 1911 is a two bad guy gun. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 1:38:49 AM EDT
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Good video. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 2:38:34 AM EDT
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Even if the 40 or 45 is a little bit more effective
Even if the 40 or 45 doesn't have more kick Even if the 40 and 45 are just as accurate Even if the 40 and 45 ammo is the same price ...I'd still want more rounds especially in the world today! What he forgot to say is that when stressed, when the target is moving and shooting back you wont have the best shot placement. Think of the cop that shot the thug (already forgot his name) 6 times before stopping him. What if there are 2 or 3 bad guys like the recent shooting where the kid killed the 3 home invaders with the AR15. Eight 45 cal rounds for 3 bad guys would not make me feel comfortable especially if they were shooting back at me Try drawing and shooting when you aren't expecting a fight. Try moving and shooting and see how accurate you are. Then add moving targets. Then move and shoot with moving targets that are shooting at you. So, in the real world there is more than just shooting a stationary targets. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 2:58:54 AM EDT
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Even if the 40 or 45 is a little bit more effective
Even if the 40 or 45 doesn't have more kick Even if the 40 and 45 are just as accurate Everyone keeps focusing on the caliber. But, there is more to it in the real world. Even if the 40 or 45 is a little bit more effective than 9mm Even if the 40 or 45 doesn't have more kick than 9mm Even if the 40 and 45 are just as accurate as 9mm Even if the 40 and 45 are the same price as 9mm ...I'd still want more rounds especially in the world today! When stressed, when the target is moving and shooting back you wont have the best shot placement. Think of the cop that shot the thug (already forgot his name) 6 times before stopping him. And, what if there are 2 or 3 bad guys like the recent shooting where the kid killed the 3 home invaders with the AR15. So, there can be more than one bad guy and shootings do have more than 2 or 3 rounds fired. Eight 45 cal rounds for 3 bad guys would not make me feel comfortable especially if they were shooting back at me. Nor would a pocket pistol in 9mm with 6 shots. Try drawing and shooting when you aren't expecting a fight and see how accurate your shots are. Try moving/shooting and see how accurate you are. Then add moving targets. Then move and shoot with moving targets that are shooting at you. So, in the real world there is more than just shooting at stationary targets, concrete blocks or gel. Maybe I'm wrong... but, to me a good weapon with more smaller quality rounds is better than a good weapon with less but larger rounds. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 3:15:12 AM EDT
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You boys love to keep them fires lit with these endless debates.
They solve nothing really, no one changes their minds really and no matter how many times somebody beats their chest yelling capacity, it will not win sides. Good grief, carry what carries well to you, is easy to conceal for you, and shoots the best in your hands. That is the only answer right there and whatever caliber it is and in what capacity, is trivial and subjective really no matter how many idiots try to make excuses to justify their decisions. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 9:11:26 AM EDT
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Can we get the rest of that video??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is what the "battle" between 9mm and .40 really is.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/03/58/29/0358295bcc42d617c6cd660af96e34eb.gif |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 9:24:12 AM EDT
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You boys love to keep them fires lit with these endless debates. They solve nothing really, no one changes their minds really and no matter how many times somebody beats their chest yelling capacity, it will not win sides. Good grief, carry what carries well to you, is easy to conceal for you, and shoots the best in your hands. That is the only answer right there and whatever caliber it is and in what capacity, is trivial and subjective really no matter how many idiots try to make excuses to justify their decisions. |
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