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Two of my friends were on assistance after the birth of their children. One because she was abandoned by the 18D that knocked her up. They are successful now, a trauma nurse and an Army Officer. Why would they be sterilized? View Quote |
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Funny coming from a guy who believes mere civilians shouldn't own cans or FA, yet is good with the FSA cranking out crotch fruit for everyone else to pay for.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Under the terms of the question posed in the OP, they'd be sterilized because they made bad choices which resulted in the use of force against others. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Two of my friends were on assistance after the birth of their children. One because she was abandoned by the 18D that knocked her up. They are successful now, a trauma nurse and an Army Officer. Why would they be sterilized? The point is, you have to try and limit how much you pay out to people. Yes, good people fall on hard times and use the programs as intended...unfortunately the vast majority are just filthy FSA who game the system their entire lives, and turn it into a generational thing. Its gotta stop, one way or another... |
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I feel that if you have a child that you can not support without government assistance then you should be charged with child abuse.
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Huh not to change the subject but tc556guy believe we should not be able to own cans or FA weapons. That's got to be a mistake. View Quote |
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You know this was an actual thing back in the 1920's - 1940's that began back in the 1800's in the US. Look up the Eugenics Movement or Eugenics programs. View Quote Link to a pdf of the document for the lazy or search-challenged. The summary starts on page 11 of this pdf. https://lifedynamics.com/app/uploads/2015/09/1932-04-April.pdf |
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lol,and the odds of getting rid of those programs???? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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If it is totalitarian/authoritarian/unthinkable to sterilize people who produce children they cannot raise, exactly what words described a policy which allows people to produce children they cannot support and subsidizes those choices by the robbery of others to support those children?
I don't know that I would support mandatory sterilization, though it is hard to see the injustice in tying the tubes of a woman who has just given birth to her second or third welfare child at public expense since she, like a man who has sired 2 or 3 children he cannot support, has irrefutably proven a lack of judgment, a lack of self-control, and a lack of concern for the enslavement of fellow humans. Nothing in this proposal limits the right of reproduction. It limits only the availability of government-sponsored theft. I would support a 1, 2, or 3 child limit on the amount of public support payable. I would support a bounty for sterilization, available at from the age of 16 or 17, though I think we could get good results at $5K per sterilization. The simple fact is that taxpayers are being farmed for the benefit of nontaxpayers, and that is wrong regardless of the amount of money involved. |
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WTF dude. Just cut a check for them to do it. No force of law. Hey Bustout, you want 5K? Go get fixed. They will line up. But remember there also needs to be a law the stipulates any new children while on EBT/welfare doesn't get you mo money. Oh yeah. You want to get it reversed? 5K + the cost of the procedure. View Quote A small payout is cheaper than supporting a child for 18 years. |
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sterilization should be automatic upon dropping out of high school
that would solve 70% of the OPs post |
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Funny coming from a guy who believes mere civilians shouldn't own cans or FA, yet is good with the FSA cranking out crotch fruit for everyone else to pay for.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Funny coming from a guy who believes mere civilians shouldn't own cans or FA, yet is good with the FSA cranking out crotch fruit for everyone else to pay for.... Quoted:
Huh not to change the subject but tc556guy believe we should not be able to own cans or FA weapons. That's got to be a mistake. 98K guy is mis-representing my views from recent threads about lifting the current paperwork process for class 3 stuff. My stance on that is that we still have ten states that ban class 3 stuff. back when the concealed carry permits were rare, we didn't push for what you guys term constitutional carry. The firearms community pushed for expansion of the numbers of states that would issue permits, until pretty much every state had a process in place for that. We should be focusing on getting class 3 stuff legal in all 50 states before you start pushing for doing away with the NFA process. |
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If it is totalitarian/authoritarian/unthinkable to sterilize people who produce children they cannot raise, exactly what words described a policy which allows people to produce children they cannot support and subsidizes those choices by the robbery of others to support those children? I don't know that I would support mandatory sterilization, though it is hard to see the injustice in tying the tubes of a woman who has just given birth to her second or third welfare child at public expense since she, like a man who has sired 2 or 3 children he cannot support, has irrefutably proven a lack of judgment, a lack of self-control, and a lack of concern for the enslavement of fellow humans. Nothing in this proposal limits the right of reproduction. It limits only the availability of government-sponsored theft. I would support a 1, 2, or 3 child limit on the amount of public support payable. I would support a bounty for sterilization, available at from the age of 16 or 17, though I think we could get good results at $5K per sterilization. The simple fact is that taxpayers are being farmed for the benefit of nontaxpayers, and that is wrong regardless of the amount of money involved. View Quote |
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Jesus Christ.
I have a buddy who got WIC for his one year old son for a year or so because his wife got thrown in jail and the job he busts his ass at wasn't enough to get by, and you want to send him to some butcher (at government expense, no less ) to slit up his nuts for having the temerity, the unmitigated gall to be fucking poor. |
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Jesus Christ. I have a buddy who got WIC for his one year old son for a year or so because his wife got thrown in jail and the job he busts his ass at wasn't enough to get by, and you want to send him to some butcher (at government expense, no less ) to slit up his nuts for having the temerity, the unmitigated gall to be fucking poor. View Quote |
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You may be right, but you do believe the NFA is good, and the hoops one must jump through are good, correct? View Quote I don't think class 3 stuff should be OTC items. If someday we get all 50 states to where people can buy class 3 stuff legally, then it'll be time to re-examine the process. We didn't go overnight from having almost no process in place for carry permits in most states to passing the more lenient carry laws we have now. It's been a thirty year process. If, once we get to where class 3 is legal in all states, we want to re-examine the process for buying those items, then we can do so. |
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Uhm, no....if you are a person who is DEPENDENT on the gov to provide for you (and therefor all other citizens), then the gov, on behalf of the people, should be able to make demands on what it takes to receive such largesse.... If you can't afford to feed yourself, or your current family, you sure as shit cannot afford another mouth...sterilization until such time that you can make your own way is a legit requirement. View Quote Your financial status will determine whether you get forced sterilization. Who sets the "income" level? You? What if it's $24,000 for one child. What happens if your income changes to $23,900? And, that's "one" rule. What's to prevent another rule? If you do not meet rule "a", the government can perform operation "x" on your body. Who determines what rule "a" is and operation "x"? Left-wing people? Right-wing people? Everything about OP's idea is very "one way", focused on the poverty-stricken. But once you give the State individual rights over, what can't they do? You failed a metal detector test at the airport? Anal probe time. No joke. You have no rights over your body. It will be quick though and they'll use lube. The thing that makes Americans free is individual liberties. The problem with America is that liberal programs are taxing the working class and dishing out a lot in the form of welfare programs. The solution is not forced sterilization, but decreased spending into welfare programs. |
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Nope...he likes the NFA, and feels ordinary people don't need cans or FA...this point was just being argued in another thread...its a long standing belief of his that people have butted heads with plenty of time before... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Huh not to change the subject but tc556guy believe we should not be able to own cans or FA weapons. That's got to be a mistake. |
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How about just limiting assistance based on the family size at the time of application. Want another, go ahead, but your assistance isn't going to be increased to account for another person. View Quote The problem, OP, is that "supported by welfare" gets to be a subjective term, and we know how creative judges can get in interpreting wording. |
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What are your thoughts on the following statute? 1. Any person who sires a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 2. Any person who gives birth to a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 3. Any person who is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon birth of a child to such person. View Quote Jesus fucking christ. |
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What are your thoughts on the following statute? 1. Any person who sires a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 2. Any person who gives birth to a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 3. Any person who is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon birth of a child to such person. View Quote put them in cages, douse with gas set on fire (kids too). take them to the soccer field and behead the extended family, including any dogs and donkeys. either that or take them to a tall building and throw them all off, including the donkeys and dogs. (not pigs though, doesnt work cause pigs can fly). |
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I don't have a problem with mandatory birth control, but sterilization is going too far. Once they are off subsidies they should have the option to pay back any subsidies they received, and then be allowed to stop the mandatory birth control. |
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Not for forced but entirely for enticements cheaper than supporting a child or multiple children. 15 to 20,000 would be pretty hard to turn down. We need to abolish child income credits also while we're at it.
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sterilized? no.... but I think birth control should be mandatory / given to women who receive welfare. if you cant afford the kids you have now... you should not be able to get pregnant while on assistance.
#1. apply for assistance... #2. upon approval... you report to the local hospital and have a bitch control implant inserted. #3. doctors approval of implantation of birth control, allows assistance to start. #4. implant must be updated / refilled at a certain time, or assistance is cancelled and your banned from getting it again for 5 years. obviously I don't approve of giving out welfare at all, except in the most extreme conditions..... but lets be real, no one will vote to stop it. I could see requirements to receive it be raised though. |
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Jesus Christ. I have a buddy who got WIC for his one year old son for a year or so because his wife got thrown in jail and the job he busts his ass at wasn't enough to get by, and you want to send him to some butcher (at government expense, no less ) to slit up his nuts for having the temerity, the unmitigated gall to be fucking poor. View Quote Again it would not be mandatory. If the person wishes to recieve welfare after x number of children they must be fix. If not they go off welfare and work. Simple. It's not forced. Besides I'm a Chauvinistic scum bag. Fix the woman when she gives birth Just joking...... |
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here is a thought
all illegals and low life immigrants must report to be either sterilized(female) or castrated. |
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I wonder how many people who get super worked up about welfare are net lifetime takers of government funds versus net lifetime donors.
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Just end welfare. View Quote back in the day, they didnt get coupons, debit cards, they got guberment cheese and surplus farm products that the gov paid farmers to produce excess amounts of to make sure farmers could continue to farm. instead of giving them money, just give them what they need. no more filet mignon and lobster on you gov provided debit card. when they get tired of consuming 5lb blocks of cheese, maybe they'll move on be more productive. |
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this (or similar). instead of masturbating to some reproductive surgery on the untermenschen. back in the day, they didnt get coupons, debit cards, they got guberment cheese and surplus farm products that the gov paid farmers to produce excess amounts of to make sure farmers could continue to farm. instead of giving them money, just give them what they need. no more filet mignon and lobster on you gov provided debit card. when they get tired of consuming 5lb blocks of cheese, maybe they'll move on be more productive. View Quote Literally? How many people here think there is a possibility of welfare being cut back in the next 2 years?Next 8 years?? |
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What are your thoughts on the following statute? 1. Any person who sires a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 2. Any person who gives birth to a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 3. Any person who is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon birth of a child to such person. View Quote I think you need to adjust your meds. |
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So what are the rules that apply to people who support themselves?
Do they not consider their financial situation before deciding to have more children? Is it not commonplace for a parent to be sterilized after the birth of the last child the family can responsibly raise? The behavior of repeat welfare parents can be read to mean that they are not capable of making responsible decisions or that they are happy to game the system. Either reading suggests that the decision should be made by someone else. What exactly is wrong with the proposition that poor people must make reproductive choices according to the rules used by the self-sufficient? The proposal in the OP doesn't preclude anyone from having children. It merely establishes that if you wish to have children, you must be able to support them without the assistance of government enforcers. |
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no, the government cannot under any circumstances be in charge of setting conditions for you to have a child. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't think your suggestion is really going to work, but I think you might get some traction with passive, reversible birth control being a condition of being on welfare. People sometime fall on hard times and need support. Providing passive, yet, reversible birth control prevents them from bring another life into the world while they can barely take care of themselves. I have no problem with mandatory contraceptive implants for people on benefits. And drug tests. |
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Is it not commonplace for a parent to be sterilized after the birth of the last child the family can responsibly raise?
commonplace where? in the secret antarctic nazi base with flying saucers and the sasquatch guards? just cut to final solution, send them to the ovens, sofort! |
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No, but I do support routine, mandatory drug testing for all household members (even boyfriend who isn't listed in the welfare) and mandatory birth control for all members of sexual age.
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Is it not commonplace for a parent to be sterilized after the birth of the last child the family can responsibly raise? commonplace where? in the secret antarctic nazi base with flying saucers and the sasquatch guards? just cut to final solution, send them to the ovens, sofort! View Quote Why?Because they are responsible and don't need to keep shitting out an endless amount of kids. But why show personal responsibility when everyone else is footing the bill? You think all these young girls getting knocked up worry about the doctor/hospital bills?Do you think the illegal that is 9 months pregnant and runs across the border to have a kid cares about the cost? All of us taxpayers foot the bill for other peoples irresponsible behavior and it's bullshit.I would love to not have to pay school taxes (residence and business),expensive health insurance,and the taxes that go to support these people,but the gov will fuck me up hard if I refuse. |
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DNA Convicted child molestors and anyone whose child is born an addict.
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It's not eugenics. It isn't based on immutable characteristics, but on dependency. What about this: 1. Payment of welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance to any person or family shall not be increased by reason of the birth of additional children to the person who has sired or borne a child receiving such benefits. View Quote |
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Jesus fucking christ. View Quote "Why teach a man to fish,when you can just take the fish from someone else that was fishing,and give it to someone that's too lazy to fish"..................something like that. |
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