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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:00:58 AM EDT
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Wasn't this announced at least a year ago or is this a new incident?
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:00:58 AM EDT
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Make sure you have a lawyer or a dang good service officer represent you at the hearing & appeal.
DAV,VFW,PVA,AmVets,American Legion, talk to a service officer in a service organization...don't go into a hearing without representation. You wouldn't let the prosecutor defend you at your trial. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:04:25 AM EDT
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They got me on the GI Bill for $3k and some change.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:04:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:06:48 AM EDT
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That sucks, but that happens. We can hope that dudes still able to work would be able to squirrel some cash away for savings, but shit happens. The VA should just "garnish" their monthly payments by a reasonable amount for a few years to give people a chance.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:09:13 AM EDT
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GOT me for 7k.
Service rep is working on it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:09:47 AM EDT
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Wasn't this announced at least a year ago or is this a new incident? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:15:33 AM EDT
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Army sent me a bill in 2016 for a gortex jacket i lost in the field in Korea in 99. $7xx.xx turned over to treasury and yanked from taxes. Also sent a bill for overpayment during active duty. Same thing treasury yanked from taxes.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:23:19 AM EDT
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I bet most of those Disability over payments are for recoupment of paid days from Reservists and Guardsmen. Normal every year thing.
I like how the case described in the article carefully avoids telling us why the guy was over paid. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:24:24 AM EDT
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This shit is just plain wrong
Unless the recipient cheated the government by doing something fraudulent then it is the responsibility of the government to issue the correct amount. The GI isn't an accountant, he's just another guy trying to do what is right and take what is his. It is the job of the government to get their shit straight...not some poor GI that has never taken an accounting class. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:24:25 AM EDT
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Army sent me a bill in 2016 for a gortex jacket i lost in the field in Korea in 99. $7xx.xx turned over to treasury and yanked from taxes. Also sent a bill for overpayment during active duty. Same thing treasury yanked from taxes. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:28:16 AM EDT
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Yeah.
Let me know when we get our money back from the GM bailout. Or Solyndra Or Iran. Or welfare fraudsters. But no... better take it from veterans first. 
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:32:22 AM EDT
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Wasn't this announced at least a year ago or is this a new incident? This is the VA...... Not Troop bonuses |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:38:42 AM EDT
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Still an ongoing issue, the VA can be so terribly fuckered up in their accounting, it's sad. They almost got me for the full 10K weight of a separation bonus in the 90's, we managed to negotiate a 6yr payment plan.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:41:15 AM EDT
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Army sent me a bill in 2016 for a gortex jacket i lost in the field in Korea in 99. $7xx.xx turned over to treasury and yanked from taxes. Also sent a bill for overpayment during active duty. Same thing treasury yanked from taxes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Army sent me a bill in 2016 for a gortex jacket i lost in the field in Korea in 99. $7xx.xx turned over to treasury and yanked from taxes. Also sent a bill for overpayment during active duty. Same thing treasury yanked from taxes. Quoted:
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/10/24/cal-national-guard-demands-return-10000-enlistment-bonuses/ This is the VA...... Not Troop bonuses The VA was very commonly paying Reserve guys for their drill days, that's a NoGo, and they'll get their money back. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:46:33 AM EDT
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Report of Surveys must be completed and submitted before 5 years in order to be valid. Some supply SGT fixed his books and got lucky when the system accepted it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:52:13 AM EDT
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All I know is that it came out of left field. I tried digging out old paperwork but it was so long ago most i could come up with was DD214 of course. Made many calls to DFAS which was worthless. In the end i said heck with it just take it and leave me alone. Im sure in another 20 they will try again but i have paper from the treasury that states its paid. That paper is in a safe place this time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Report of Surveys must be completed and submitted before 5 years in order to be valid. Some supply SGT fixed his books and got lucky when the system accepted it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:55:50 AM EDT
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All I know is that it came out of left field. I tried digging out old paperwork but it was so long ago most i could come up with was DD214 of course. Made many calls to DFAS which was worthless. In the end i said heck with it just take it and leave me alone. Im sure in another 20 they will try again but i have paper from the treasury that states its paid. That paper is in a safe place this time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:58:38 AM EDT
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I bet most of those Disability over payments are for recoupment of paid days from Reservists and Guardsmen. Normal every year thing. I like how the case described in the article carefully avoids telling us why the guy was over paid. I knew getting paid for drill and being paid for VA Disability was wrong. I took steps to mitigate the pain that was about to follow when it finally caught up to me. The story is about being incorrectly paid all the while your VA reps tell you your pay is correct. If you are being overpaid, they will take it back in a heart beat, if you are being underpaid, they will hide the fact, bounce you around, lie to you, and make you get your Congressman involved to get your money back. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:01:31 AM EDT
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We don't do reports of survey anymore. We do FLIPLs. They require a COL to sign for them.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:02:29 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that once you cleared CIF on the way out, you were good. Whatever was missing was handled before you were allowed to fully clear and Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All I know is that it came out of left field. I tried digging out old paperwork but it was so long ago most i could come up with was DD214 of course. Made many calls to DFAS which was worthless. In the end i said heck with it just take it and leave me alone. Im sure in another 20 they will try again but i have paper from the treasury that states its paid. That paper is in a safe place this time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:06:48 AM EDT
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I bet most of those Disability over payments are for recoupment of paid days from Reservists and Guardsmen. Normal every year thing. I like how the case described in the article carefully avoids telling us why the guy was over paid. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:07:10 AM EDT
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True, I turned everything in of course. Except field jackets, uniforms , boots, class A and so on. Forgive me this was over 16 years ago so cant remember all the details. Then had the financials where the $$ is dealt with including last amount of pay and unused leave is dealt with. Like i said i cant remember what all of it was called. However i did recieve a good chunk of money for unused leave. 2016 they took it all back and there was nothing i could do to stop it or have proof otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All I know is that it came out of left field. I tried digging out old paperwork but it was so long ago most i could come up with was DD214 of course. Made many calls to DFAS which was worthless. In the end i said heck with it just take it and leave me alone. Im sure in another 20 they will try again but i have paper from the treasury that states its paid. That paper is in a safe place this time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:07:27 AM EDT
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That is messed up.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:07:29 AM EDT
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If they were overpaid, then of course the gov should recoup the money.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:11:15 AM EDT
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I bet most of those Disability over payments are for recoupment of paid days from Reservists and Guardsmen. Normal every year thing. I like how the case described in the article carefully avoids telling us why the guy was over paid. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:13:07 AM EDT
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If they were overpaid, then of course the gov should recoup the money. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:13:29 AM EDT
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This shit is just plain wrong Unless the recipient cheated the government by doing something fraudulent then it is the responsibility of the government to issue the correct amount. The GI isn't an accountant, he's just another guy trying to do what is right and take what is his. It is the job of the government to get their shit straight...not some poor GI that has never taken an accounting class. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:14:32 AM EDT
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If they were overpaid, then of course the gov should recoup the money. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:15:13 AM EDT
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I received a letter stating my wife was no longer a dependent. I would have to pay back 15 years worth of dependents allowance if I could not prove we were still married and she was alive. I sent in the documents and have not heard anything yet. That was over 6 months ago. I need to call them again.
BTW, it would have been well over 10k to pay back. Basically 1.5 years of benefit. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:20:01 AM EDT
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Meanshile, the US government pays leeches from Iraq and Afghanistan. News stories like these are disgusting.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:21:31 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that once you cleared CIF on the way out, you were good. Whatever was missing was handled before you were allowed to fully clear and Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All I know is that it came out of left field. I tried digging out old paperwork but it was so long ago most i could come up with was DD214 of course. Made many calls to DFAS which was worthless. In the end i said heck with it just take it and leave me alone. Im sure in another 20 they will try again but i have paper from the treasury that states its paid. That paper is in a safe place this time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:25:55 AM EDT
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I agree. In my case a gortex jacket 16 years later. On top of that taking $ for leave i never used that they paid to me upon ETS which was mine if i remember correctly. BULLSHIT. Someone correct me if im wrong. Did you guys get paid for unused leave at ETS? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:27:40 AM EDT
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In my early twenties I worked for a multi-billion dollar private company and got overpaid about $2,500 over the course of two years. I'd received a raise and my manager at the time had mistakenly also put me in for a weekend supervisor stipend (even though I was not a supervisor at the time). I didn't notice the over payment because I was expecting a raise and a larger bi-weekly check and after taxes the stipend worked out to something like $35-$38 more per paycheck.
At the time I didn't have much money so $2,500 was a huge amount. My work asked me to repay it and I initially told them if I did it would be the post tax amount, not the gross, and they could go after Uncle Sam for the taxes part. They got really nasty and started threatening me if I didn't repay the full $2,500. Told them I would think about it and get back to them in a week. I contacted the state employment office who informed me that (in that state) if it was a mistake and the employee wasn't aware of the error the employer could ask the employee to repay it, but other than asking the employee was not obligated to repay. In a follow-up meeting after they were threatening to fire me if I didn't pay I eventually told them I had contacted the state and what the state advised me of and they shut up real quick and I never heard of it again. Unfortunately government entities - especially at the federal level - are frequently granted exemptions from the laws they create such as these. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:32:19 AM EDT
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This is why I'll never go on disability. Dealing with the education side of VA is bad enough. They throw money at you to begin with, then take it all back years later on a technicality.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:33:32 AM EDT
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If you're overpaid, the VA will frequently take action to get it back. Not always though. Lots of times it will get waived.
DMC seems to be fairly generous with payment plans and requests for waivers. I'd bet a lot of it is due to communication problems - VA not clearly outlining what the problem is, and explaining it clearly. A lot of VA letters suck. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:43:49 AM EDT
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If they were overpaid, then of course the gov should recoup the money. The point of the article is "good fucking luck getting the govt to prove you were overpaid." |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:43:56 AM EDT
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Reverse the rolls here..
You accidentally overpay someone for a service. Instead of 5.00, you give them 50.00. Do you expect to get your money back or does the person get an extra $45? I am assuming most people want their money back... I've seen several veterans get a pay out for VA GI bill benefits that was more than what they were qualified for. Worse yet, they knew it. They spent the money and then complained when the VA wanted the over payment back. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:46:42 AM EDT
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IF The point of the article is "good fucking luck getting the govt to prove you were overpaid." Simply checking the service members records and seeing what his actual qualification time amounts to, is not that hard. This affects a lot of Reserve/NG members...because they try to include their AIT/Basic training time. That time doesn't count until you have at least 24 months active duty(without any training time). |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:50:29 AM EDT
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Yes. They make a big deal about properly leaving your unit and EASing. Now you have a checklist that's signed and stamped by CIF. You can't get your DD214 without presenting the checklist with the required signatures and stamps. When you turn in your gear, you get a copy of your receipt that also has your signature on it. All the receipts are electronic now too. Apparently there is a .mil website where guys can go to print their CIF receipts, but I'm not sure what it is. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:52:46 AM EDT
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Reverse the rolls here.. You accidentally overpay someone for a service. Instead of 5.00, you give them 50.00. Do you expect to get your money back or does the person get an extra $45? I am assuming most people want their money back... I've seen several veterans get a pay out for VA GI bill benefits that was more than what they were qualified for. Worse yet, they knew it. They spent the money and then complained when the VA wanted the over payment back. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:53:56 AM EDT
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Reverse the rolls here.. You accidentally overpay someone for a service. Instead of 5.00, you give them 50.00. Do you expect to get your money back or does the person get an extra $45? I am assuming most people want their money back... I've seen several veterans get a pay out for VA GI bill benefits that was more than what they were qualified for. Worse yet, they knew it. They spent the money and then complained when the VA wanted the over payment back. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:56:45 AM EDT
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If it was my mistake to begin with, I might ask for it back but I sure as hell don't expect it. You meant to pay someone $50...but instead pay $500... Still don't expect it back? Meant to pay 500, instead accidentally pay $5000...still don't expect it back? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:02:51 PM EDT
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Sucks.
Maybe they can do a payment plan. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:06:45 PM EDT
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Yeah. Let me know when we get our money back from the GM bailout. Or Solyndra Or Iran. Or welfare fraudsters. But no... better take it from veterans first. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:10:04 PM EDT
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Up the ante. You meant to pay someone $50...but instead pay $500... Still don't expect it back? Meant to pay 500, instead accidentally pay $5000...still don't expect it back? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:12:07 PM EDT
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Reverse the rolls here.. You accidentally overpay someone for a service. Instead of 5.00, you give them 50.00. Do you expect to get your money back or does the person get an extra $45? I am assuming most people want their money back... I've seen several veterans get a pay out for VA GI bill benefits that was more than what they were qualified for. Worse yet, they knew it. They spent the money and then complained when the VA wanted the over payment back. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:14:59 PM EDT
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Stories like this are why I will never shed a tear for any dead bureaucrat or alphabet agency minion.
To hell with all of them. They give Jessie Jackson Jr. hundreds of thousands of dollars, forgive Al Sharpton's millions of unpaid taxes, but they will harass a wounded vet over a few thousand dollars. Death and damnation is too kind for these people, there has to be something worse for them. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:16:08 PM EDT
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Up the ante. You meant to pay someone $50...but instead pay $500... Still don't expect it back? Meant to pay 500, instead accidentally pay $5000...still don't expect it back? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it was my mistake to begin with, I might ask for it back but I sure as hell don't expect it. You meant to pay someone $50...but instead pay $500... Still don't expect it back? Meant to pay 500, instead accidentally pay $5000...still don't expect it back? Now, if it gets to ridiculous sums, the person I paid might feel compelled to pay it back, but that's on them. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:18:55 PM EDT
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If they were overpaid, then of course the gov should recoup the money. Not like it is a surprise, anyone who has served more than several days knows this happens. |
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