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Posted: 3/27/2017 8:53:56 PM EDT
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You actually had one there 5 years,  We can't keep them around longer than a couple of pay periods before they start calling in sick with a tummy ache or some other lame ass excuse. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 8:54:32 PM EDT
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college.
In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 8:56:26 PM EDT
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I'm a cop with over 25 years experience and a fuck ton of specialized training. I make less than that guy did before he asked for a raise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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75k for a customer service rep 
I'm a software developer and have over 10 yrs experience and I make 83k/yr. That's crazy stuff there. I'm a millennial too. I used to think you guys only did it because it was a calling, but after a dozen or so heart to heart conversations with a lot of you cynical fuckers, I know that ain't it either. 
My hat's off to you either way. I don't know why you do it, but I'm glad you do. Somebody has to. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 8:58:32 PM EDT
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college. In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that. 
Hopefully you guys gave him a polite and well-meaning reality check. If he has aspirations to make more, it sounds like he's going to need to choose a different path in life. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:06:12 PM EDT
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Company I work for fired one last week; had a problem showing up to work got called on it. Genius went on Facebook and said bad things about the company. Comes in the next day and was given his walking papers........I told the person in the office next to mine "that's such a millennial thing to do". They agreed
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:14:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:20:10 PM EDT
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Noooo shitt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You actually had one there 5 years, We can't keep them around longer than a couple of pay periods before they start calling in sick with a tummy ache or some other lame ass excuse.Not every millennial is protesting at fucking Berkeley. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:22:19 PM EDT
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Doesn't hurt to ask...
Hopefully you guys gave him a polite and well-meaning reality check. If he has aspirations to make more, it sounds like he's going to need to choose a different path in life. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:37:12 PM EDT
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I knew a millennial who worked hard at a job once... if blowjob is actually a "job".
 
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:39:45 PM EDT
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oh well OTH the employee should have said I found another job that pays $75k, can you match it. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:49:42 PM EDT
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it's funny--i've noticed that here in GD, the employment loyalty imperative only seems to go one way, with the guy in the low role having to display a kind of loyalty that is not required of the person/institution in the superior role. i first noticed this during the housing crash. someone posted a thread on "strategic foreclosure", when people simply defaulted on their home loans as a personal business decision, without accepting any personal shame for violating the "pay your debts" maxim. someone pointed out that this is exactly how firms do business, which made me rethink my initial judgment. in the same way, people seem to think that the employee owes loyalty on top of services, while the employer owes nothing more than payment for services rendered. but that's wrong--the employee is just as much a business entity as the employer, and is free to make decisions based on pure self-interest. if an employer decided that the employee wasn't doing enough, the employee would get fired. so it makes sense for the employee to be able to fire the employer also. it's just good business. If I give the boss the product of my time and labor then he owes me a paycheck, that's all it is these days. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:52:29 PM EDT
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Good for him. I have worked for fortune 500 companies since 1979. Companies have no loyalty to their employees. Why should the employees have loyalty? I am 56 years old and one thing I have learned. You work for yourself no matter where you work. If you dont think so, you will be used and abused. There was a time when loyalty went both ways, those days are long gone. You pay me for my time, period.
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:31:02 PM EDT
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Let's compare and contrast two negotiation styles: Style A is some company/industry-specific variation upon: "Boss, I've been thinking about my role here.. (nice things about the company here)... And the value I bring to the company (nice things about self here)... but I've been recruited by another company who is offering $75K. That pay is in line with what I'm worth. But I like it here. I'd like to stay here. Is it possible to restructure my compensation so I can stay here?" Style B is "Boss, you don't pay me enough. Everyone else around town pays $75k. I should make that too. I demand a raise to $75k!" Which approach do you think is more likely to get you a raise (outside of NYC, of course)? Which is more likely to get you fired, regardless of how good a job you do or whether you've earned a raise? As a former business owner, let me assure you: You come to me with Style B, and no matter how good an employee you are you just put your continued employment with me on very thin ice. Everyone is replaceable, it's just a matter of how much pain I am willing to accept by losing them. If the pain of keeping you is greater than the pain of losing you, then I will replace you. It's that simple. Employees are fodder, grease for the wheel. That's it. Employers don't be shocked when turn about is fair play. When it's an employer's market or employees market. I've lived long enough to see both. It's been a while since it's been an employee's market. It's overdue. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:36:04 PM EDT
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Doesn't hurt to ask...
Hopefully you guys gave him a polite and well-meaning reality check. If he has aspirations to make more, it sounds like he's going to need to choose a different path in life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college. In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that.
Hopefully you guys gave him a polite and well-meaning reality check. If he has aspirations to make more, it sounds like he's going to need to choose a different path in life. He's in a for a rude awakening as it's rare to find anyone that pays near $20/hour in this state. I know people with 25 years that make $19/hr. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:40:02 PM EDT
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Customer Service Rep 5 years working for the company Good at their job, liked by customers. Came to me last week demanding $75,000 salary. This person made $57k last year in wages, overtime and bonus, not including 401k match and profit sharing. Unfortunately for this millennial, I already thought the position was WAY overpaid and this person is now without a job. *edit to clarify the person resigned because they did not receive the raise* WTF is wrong with these kids??? Hire him back in three weeks at $35K per year. He'll learn a lesson. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:41:33 PM EDT
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Entitlement Whores. In their minds you owe them. And yes, they'd rather be jobless vs working for what they want. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 11:03:43 PM EDT
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Only 38 here and I think you're clueless . Have a usable education/skill set and the economy today is grand.
To many want everything for nothing. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 7:55:26 AM EDT
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you technically can't fire someone asking for a raise, even if it's stupid. even at employ at will states, HR still needs documentation and all that shit for fear of a lawsuit. and he probably had another job lined up already. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 7:59:48 AM EDT
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Customer Service Rep 5 years working for the company Good at their job, liked by customers. Came to me last week demanding $75,000 salary. This person made $57k last year in wages, overtime and bonus, not including 401k match and profit sharing. Unfortunately for this millennial, I already thought the position was WAY overpaid and this person is now without a job. *edit to clarify the person resigned because they did not receive the raise* WTF is wrong with these kids??? So, Where exactly is this job? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:23:09 AM EDT
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In recent years of dealing with "millennial" employees, I have;
taught them how how to tie a tie (often giving them their first tie from my vast collection that I soon will have no use for  )
been offered a fist bump during their job interview had to confiscate iphones before presentations/meetings had to remind and continually prompt them to make eye contact when speaking with others had to explain that being on time doesn't imply "if you feel like it" wow and amaze them with my ability to do basic math without using my iphone not bad employees but woefully under-prepared for entering the workforce. However, they can name and define the 17 different sexualities that MUST be recognized and respected 
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:23:37 AM EDT
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Without more info, I'm going to guess that the former employee had a job offer for 75k and left when the employer wouldn't match it. Sorry, but quality employees cost money. I have noticed a lot of employers are extremely slow to acknowledge this or maybe they are just in denial. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:26:33 AM EDT
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My office just fired a millenial too. One that I hired because he's fucked up absolutely everything he's been tasked to do. First they gave him a truck and a few jobs at my request. He fucked that up. I then transferred out of the department so they gave him to someone else. He all but stopped showing up. Came in late, did as little as possible, left early. Hell, half the time they were lucky he'd even go into the job. But he'd complain about being paid less than everyone else.
Last Friday, he got called into the office and told to go find an unemployment line somewhere. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:28:25 AM EDT
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$57k for a customer service job and 401k matching? 
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:30:40 AM EDT
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Government jobs aren't exactly representative of the economy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only 38 here and I think you're clueless . Have a usable education/skill set and the economy today is grand.
To many want everything for nothing. 
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:31:11 AM EDT
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I fall well within the range of typical salaries for my skills, which is around the 80-140k range. This is what Amazon, Rackspace, Redhat, Microsoft, Proofpoint, and others would tend to pay for someone with my skills or skills adjusted for greater competencies in other areas. That all being said, I am far from the smartest Millennial I know in IT, I have a lot to learn in the field and trade, and am far from the highest-paid Millennial in this field. I have personal friends and coworkers that are so far and away better than I in these areas that they make me consider taking up a job cutting trees down instead. Is that a sufficient resume and justification for you? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:36:19 AM EDT
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The old people where I work are by far the worst. I'd love to see more young folks work here. At least they show up.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:41:38 AM EDT
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where the hell can you make 57k as a customer service rep, and are you hiring?
I was making 31k as customer service in IT Got the job to move up to a network admin an im at 41k now |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:47:20 AM EDT
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apparently as a millennial I'm an oddball. I have no interest in jumping ship on my employer or asking for outlandish wages. I may be at an hourly rate but its enough to live off of and so far I've gotten a decent raise every year plus I love my job. Yes its a small company with less than 10 people that the boss really doesn't expand but I'm ok with that as long as I can still make a life for myself there. Hell I wouldn't mind staying where I'm at till its time to retire
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:53:28 AM EDT
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Don't some of you people comprehend what you read? The OP did not fire the person. The employee RESIGNED. Damn, there are a lot of posters who need to go to reading comprehension classes.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 9:16:07 AM EDT
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Don't some of you people comprehend what you read? The OP did not fire the person. The employee RESIGNED. Damn, there are a lot of posters who need to go to reading comprehension classes. 
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Posted: 3/28/2017 9:17:34 AM EDT
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person quit Sorry to say it but you're the crazy one for thinking he'd stay at his current salary. What you paid him may have been market average but you can't expect someone to stick around when they have the ability the make way more elsewhere. Congrats to the millennial for making more money and congrats to him for giving you the opportunity to keep him. Don't sound all hot and bothered by him leaving because it makes you look like the CRAZY one. I would have asked him straight up if he had an offer. Then I would tell him that his current salary was in-line with the market and if he wanted to make more then he'd need to take on new responsibilities or shift his career track...then I would tell him that I could help with that and line up goals that would get him the salary he was looking for....i would be a manager....AMAZING I know
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Posted: 3/28/2017 9:23:30 AM EDT
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college. In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 9:50:16 AM EDT
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Sounds like a shit business. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:02:25 AM EDT
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No kidding. I was making $12.00 in 2004 working at fazolis as a dining room manager/ back of the house closer. I think our shift managers averaged $16.00. What kind of job takes 10 years to get $20? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:07:54 AM EDT
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Sounds like a shit business. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college. In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:08:00 AM EDT
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$57k for a customer service job and 401k matching? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:10:03 AM EDT
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I think there is some truth in your post. I also think that many millennials have the game figured out. In my experience, they have no loyalty and have no problem jumping ship every 12 to 18 months for small pay increases. Based on my observations, it no longer appears that instability in a resume is a red flag. It used to be employees would stick around for a long time. Now, not so much. I've also seen employees BS their way from a $45K job to a $65K for which they were not qualified and hold said job long enough to just about get fired only to make the leap to an $80k job at another employer. They are able to land the $80K job based on their BS in the interview and their documented "experience." And the cycle continues. Its truly amazing to watch in real time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see it quite a bit with the millennials, but I would say we seem to have a cultural problem whereby lots of people can't seem to connect that their compensation must correspond in some way to the value they provide to whatever organization the work for. Everyone gets a participation trophy as a kid, so they assume rewards are no longer associated with results. I've also seen employees BS their way from a $45K job to a $65K for which they were not qualified and hold said job long enough to just about get fired only to make the leap to an $80k job at another employer. They are able to land the $80K job based on their BS in the interview and their documented "experience." And the cycle continues. Its truly amazing to watch in real time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:19:55 AM EDT
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Sounds like a shit business. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college. In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:26:07 AM EDT
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Good for him. I have worked for fortune 500 companies since 1979. Companies have no loyalty to their employees. Why should the employees have loyalty? I am 56 years old and one thing I have learned. You work for yourself no matter where you work. If you dont think so, you will be used and abused. There was a time when loyalty went both ways, those days are long gone. You pay me for my time, period. On that note, It's expensive as fuck to live on your own these days, or so it sounds, by comparison to my parents at the same age. In my state, I have to buy: car insurance, renters insurance, health insurance. On top of that, It's an almost expectation to have a cell phone. Most of my bill companies have switched to online billing, requiring an internet connection at home. Utilities each year grow tremendously. This year, my idiot state voted a min. wage law into effect. They also voted in a huge increase to car registration fees in exchange for an already terrible transit system. Additionally, if you want to buy a house It's $400k and up. Rates are going up. What else... gas, groceries, entertainment is almost expected if you want any bit of a social life. Ammo, because I shoot, and am a rare millennial that wishes to maintain and exercise this right. So yeah... fun life. Definitely moving, when I can afford to. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:34:13 AM EDT
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Obviously he had another opportunity lined up with higher compensation. Sorry to say it but you're the crazy one for thinking he'd stay at his current salary. What you paid him may have been market average but you can't expect someone to stick around when they have the ability the make way more elsewhere. Congrats to the millennial for making more money and congrats to him for giving you the opportunity to keep him. Don't sound all hot and bothered by him leaving because it makes you look like the CRAZY one. I would have asked him straight up if he had an offer. Then I would tell him that his current salary was in-line with the market and if he wanted to make more then he'd need to take on new responsibilities or shift his career track...then I would tell him that I could help with that and line up goals that would get him the salary he was looking for....i would be a manager....AMAZING I know The original post actually gives us very few clues as to what is really going on here. The business about the 57k including overtime tells me that the employee is probably paid as a non-exempt employee. In other words, he is not exempt from the rules of overtime. If he comes in and asks for a flat 75k, then he needs to be converted to an exempt employee. That's where the "take on new responsibilities or shift his career track" comes in. The described pay scheme is such that we have no reason to believe that it is a certainty that he will make 57k this year with you. Rather than go on and on, I am simply going to guess that the employee holds an offer for 75k from one of your competitors. I am also going to guess that he has no no-compete restriction and he will be taking some of your customers with him. The only way I can see him getting screwed is if he used to work 42 hours a week for you, but will be working 62 hours a week for his new employer. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:37:45 AM EDT
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where the hell can you make 57k as a customer service rep, and are you hiring? I was making 31k as customer service in IT Got the job to move up to a network admin an im at 41k now Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:42:20 AM EDT
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Good for him. I have worked for fortune 500 companies since 1979. Companies have no loyalty to their employees. Why should the employees have loyalty? I am 56 years old and one thing I have learned. You work for yourself no matter where you work. If you dont think so, you will be used and abused. There was a time when loyalty went both ways, those days are long gone. You pay me for my time, period. Even the company I work for, while very good generally speaking, keeps our guys as long "as it's convenient and suits us." A.W.D. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:00:03 AM EDT
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How the Hell do people live on that kind of salary? Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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where the hell can you make 57k as a customer service rep, and are you hiring? I was making 31k as customer service in IT Got the job to move up to a network admin an im at 41k now Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:43:17 AM EDT
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How the Hell do people live on that kind of salary? Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D. I do love a good millennial thread. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:22:19 PM EDT
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You could actually live pretty comfortably here at $30k a year, assuming you're single and live within your means. I do love a good millennial thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How the Hell do people live on that kind of salary? Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D. I do love a good millennial thread. When I left there in 2013, I was making right at $50k and supporting my wife and 4-year-old. We had everything we needed, but it was far from luxurious. I'm in central Virginia now, and things aren't even comparable. A single guy here might be able to make it on $30k without significant austerity, but it would require at least a roommate to split bills with. To put it in perspective, my rent here is significantly more than my all of my bills combined were in Arkansas. I would say things for a family of four don't really get comfortable here under $130k or so. That's approximately twice what it would take for the same standard of living in northern Arkansas. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:23:14 PM EDT
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Hell, when I was young and making 30k I think I had more expendable income than I do now, of course I was living a completely different lifestyle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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where the hell can you make 57k as a customer service rep, and are you hiring? I was making 31k as customer service in IT Got the job to move up to a network admin an im at 41k now Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:26:59 PM EDT
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We had a kid, around 25, come around looking for work. No experience in the field. He was, however, taking some related classes at a local community college. In his conversation with the boss, he stated he wanted to start around $20/hour. In a business where you'll have to work for more than 10-15 years to top that. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:39:52 PM EDT
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10-15 years experience to make $42k/year? 
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:47:56 PM EDT
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When I was 14 and making $4.15 / hour part time I had more expendable income than I do now. What's your point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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where the hell can you make 57k as a customer service rep, and are you hiring? I was making 31k as customer service in IT Got the job to move up to a network admin an im at 41k now Granted of course, this is a "regional" issue and comparison, but fuck, that ain't much. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:52:17 PM EDT
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10-15 years experience to make $42k/year? a mentality for wagecuck idiots who never progressed in their career |
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