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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:04:30 PM EDT
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From my perspective, this is what the ISPs could possibly do.
1.) Record the bulk data that leaves your house. (This can easily be filtered for traffic type and a lot of traffic is unencrypted due to necessity.) Areas of concern: A. DNS traffic will show which hosts you look up. This applies whether or not you're using their DNS servers since the traffic is cleartext. The only way around this is through using your own private DNS server or forcing your dns traffic through a VPN. If you don't force your DNS traffic through a VPN you might as well be holding up a flare saying who you're talking to. B. They can review "metadata" aka what hosts on the internet you're actually talking to even if you don't make a DNS request because that's how IPs work. Here a VPN will help you, it will obfuscate every request that you make across it except for the initial request to the VPN host itself. The way this works is that you create a "secure tunnel" between two end devices 'your router and the VPN provider'. The only problem here is that unless you're actually monitoring what ciphers are used between yourself and the VPN provider they might actually be weak and easily decryptable. 2.) Perform a "man in the middle" attack and do SSL/TLS bridging to decrypt the data (very difficult without the proper SSL keys.) Hell, I do this for troubleshooting as part of my job and it's difficult even with all the right stuff in place. This is just my view of things, you may take them as you see them. Hopefully someone like Subnet or the ninja penguin(forgot his name, starts with a b) will come along and review what I have said and correct as needed. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:17:43 PM EDT
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Bump because I didn't type this up for nothing.
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:31:26 PM EDT
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Bump because I didn't type this up for nothing. 
Called my congressmans office at lunch today, though I'm pretty sure he will vote for it 
Looks like I'm going to need to set up encryption to my VPN provider on my router instead of a per device basis 
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:32:00 PM EDT
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Is this the one where they are repealing a last minute rule by the Obama administration, that doesn't even take effect until next year, and is enforced against ISPs but not any other website or service? So essentially, nothing has changed at all? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 8:09:35 PM EDT
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Looks like it passed the house.
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Posted: 3/29/2017 12:15:13 AM EDT
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Looks like it passed the house. |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 9:54:54 AM EDT
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And here's my reply: "[email protected] The recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages now. Please try resending this message later, or contact the recipient directly." Now that's quality right there people. 
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Posted: 3/29/2017 10:13:37 AM EDT
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Good thing I work for my ISP.
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Posted: 3/29/2017 11:39:40 PM EDT
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And here's my reply: "[email protected] The recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages now. Please try resending this message later, or contact the recipient directly." Now that's quality right there people. That being said, you are kidding yourself if you think that politicians read our correspondence. Writing your congressman is quite possible the most useless thing, imho. Unless you have millions in a bank account, politicians don't give a *FUCK* what you say. Same goes for Ted Slimeball Cruz. |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 11:48:17 PM EDT
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The 4th Amendment is to protect you from the government, not private companies observing your activity on their own property. Seriously this topic has triggered people hard, the feels are flowing like a river and the brains are turned right the fuck off. Conservatives seem to excuse Abuses by Big Business while cautioning us all on the dangers of Big Government. Liberals seem to excuse the abuses of Big Government while cautioning us all on the dangers of Big Business. Big *ANYTHING* is a threat to the little guy. What use is the 4th Amendment, if all the government has to do is hire a 3rd party to violate your rights? I Guess you would be OK with outlawing guns, provided the US Government hired MERCENARIES to seize them? I'm sorry, I don't buy into this bullshit Republican mindset that businesses can never do wrong. Selling our private data absolutely *SHOULD* be explicitly outlawed. The internet, like it or not, is a modern day Utility and should be treated as such. I don't have the choice between hundreds of different ISPs like they do in Europe.... and having access to the Internet is pretty damn near a necessity to succeed in the modern world. That being said, as much as I want to rage against Republicans for selling us out like this... Democrats typically support the same bullshit laws. When the assholes in Congress tried to push SOPA, it was a "Bipartisan bill" supported by politicians on both sides. At the VOTERS level, however, it was bipartisan opposition. Republican AND Democratic voters universally opposed that bill. Maybe we can unite and demand the government back down from this bullshit. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:04:24 AM EDT
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I find it hilarious how you are willing to surrender the rights to your private data just so you can say "fuck the feds". He is literally fighting for the right of the Feds to fuck him in the ass through a 3rd party. I am having a hard time not violating CoC, because the things he is saying is absolutely retarded. I used to make the argument that a lot of people on ARFCom would welcome mass gun confiscation, as long as the Feds hired Blackwater to do it. Seriously, so many people on this website seem to have this almost ... RELIGIOUS obsession with private enterprise. Like Private Businesses are God himself, and should never be questioned, never regulated, and that we should all bow down and Suck the COCK of anyone who does anything for a profit. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:17:42 AM EDT
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Hey, if you aren't doing anything wrong you shouldn't be worried about your dick pill and herpes prescriptions becoming public knowledge! [MelGibsonBraveheartFREEDOM!!.gif] This is *EXACTLY* Why I stopped identifying as a libertarian. Most seem to turn the Free Market into a sort of fucking religion, that they are literally willing to sacrifice *ANYTHING* upon it's altar. I find these people REALLY hard to not insult. I simply lack any respect for their "intelligence". |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:27:45 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204576/senators-who-sold-your-internet-history-to-ISPs-174788.JPG high res version here. 50 senators FUCK THESE ASSHOLES |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:31:19 AM EDT
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well... that escalated quickly:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/03/29/1717201/activist-starts-a-campaign-to-buy-and-publish-browsing-histories-of-politicians-who-passed-anti-privacy-law On Tuesday, Congress sent proposed legislation to President Trump that wipes away landmark online privacy protections. In a party-line vote, House Republicans freed Internet service providers such as AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast of protections approved just last year that had sought to limit what companies could do with information such as customer browsing habits, app usage history, location data and Social Security numbers. Now call it a poetic justice, online privacy activist Adam McElhaney has launched an initiative called Search Internet History, with an objective of raising funds to buy browsing history of each politician and official who voted in favor of S.J.Res 34. On the site, he has also put up a poll asking people whose internet history they would like to see first. Update: The campaign, which was seeking $10,000, has already raised over $55,000. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:43:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:51:55 AM EDT
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This is akin to the gas station taking video of you in their bathroom, and selling that - because hey man, it's their bathroom.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:53:19 AM EDT
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Then dont choose one at all. You have rights, this is NOT fascism. Go about your life. Lack of internet is not fascism. Continue to use your phone. Go to a public library , starbucks, public wifi...the list goes on and on. Let me know when they line you up for the gas showers for NOT using their service.
I sure hope you never whine about gun confiscation. "They just took your guns.. Geez, get a grip. It's not like they *GASSED* You" |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:55:57 AM EDT
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Slow your roll! Most Democrats and Republicans do the same thing. Fuck the American public over for their own gain. What planet have you been on? Hell, they are so comfortable with each other that they intermarry.  SOPA, an equally egregious bill, was supported by Politician scumbags on *BOTH* sides of the aisle. In fact, it had unanimous support from democrats and republicans. The interesting thing, is that actual voters were unanimously *OPPOSED* to the bill, and it was struck down purely due to public outcry. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:10:06 AM EDT
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I once saw a free program that if I remember correctly was a Firefox add on, it would run in the background and randomly visit webpages all over the internet. That was it's sole purpose, visit a page and them move on, total randomness. There have got to be many programs like it. That kind of thing could make a users history a little overwhelming and useless. If everyone use one like it it would literally render their browser histories useless to marketers. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:21:03 AM EDT
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Those fucking morons on the crowdsourcing thing are being scammed.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:24:50 AM EDT
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And this is why I hate modern day Conservatism as well as Liberalism. Conservatives seem to excuse Abuses by Big Business while cautioning us all on the dangers of Big Government. Liberals seem to excuse the abuses of Big Government while cautioning us all on the dangers of Big Business. Big *ANYTHING* is a threat to the little guy. What use is the 4th Amendment, if all the government has to do is hire a 3rd party to violate your rights? I Guess you would be OK with outlawing guns, provided the US Government hired MERCENARIES to seize them? I'm sorry, I don't buy into this bullshit Republican mindset that businesses can never do wrong. Selling our private data absolutely *SHOULD* be explicitly outlawed. The internet, like it or not, is a modern day Utility and should be treated as such. I don't have the choice between hundreds of different ISPs like they do in Europe.... and having access to the Internet is pretty damn near a necessity to succeed in the modern world. That being said, as much as I want to rage against Republicans for selling us out like this... Democrats typically support the same bullshit laws. When the assholes in Congress tried to push SOPA, it was a "Bipartisan bill" supported by politicians on both sides. At the VOTERS level, however, it was bipartisan opposition. Republican AND Democratic voters universally opposed that bill. Maybe we can unite and demand the government back down from this bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 4th Amendment is to protect you from the government, not private companies observing your activity on their own property. Seriously this topic has triggered people hard, the feels are flowing like a river and the brains are turned right the fuck off. Conservatives seem to excuse Abuses by Big Business while cautioning us all on the dangers of Big Government. Liberals seem to excuse the abuses of Big Government while cautioning us all on the dangers of Big Business. Big *ANYTHING* is a threat to the little guy. What use is the 4th Amendment, if all the government has to do is hire a 3rd party to violate your rights? I Guess you would be OK with outlawing guns, provided the US Government hired MERCENARIES to seize them? I'm sorry, I don't buy into this bullshit Republican mindset that businesses can never do wrong. Selling our private data absolutely *SHOULD* be explicitly outlawed. The internet, like it or not, is a modern day Utility and should be treated as such. I don't have the choice between hundreds of different ISPs like they do in Europe.... and having access to the Internet is pretty damn near a necessity to succeed in the modern world. That being said, as much as I want to rage against Republicans for selling us out like this... Democrats typically support the same bullshit laws. When the assholes in Congress tried to push SOPA, it was a "Bipartisan bill" supported by politicians on both sides. At the VOTERS level, however, it was bipartisan opposition. Republican AND Democratic voters universally opposed that bill. Maybe we can unite and demand the government back down from this bullshit. I've said about a dozen fucking times that this problem is caused by overregulation and the government picking winners and artificially advantaging them with favorable laws. If the market were free smaller companies could come in and steal customers out from under the large companies and then the large companies would be forced to conform to consumer demands. This topic has turned people into raving emotional basket cases. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:25:47 AM EDT
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I really hope that Anonymous puts these Senators on a blacklist, hacks them, and releases *THEIR* Browser history for the whole world to see. FUCK THESE ASSHOLES Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204576/senators-who-sold-your-internet-history-to-ISPs-174788.JPG high res version here. 50 senators FUCK THESE ASSHOLES |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:45:03 AM EDT
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Or even worse, allowing Microsoft to sell peopler access to your webcam while you masturbate to porn. Afterall, it is *THEIR* Operating system... *THEIR* web camera... *THEIR* Servers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is akin to the gas station taking video of you in their bathroom, and selling that - because hey man, it's their bathroom. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:46:52 AM EDT
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#THIS! This is *EXACTLY* Why I stopped identifying as a libertarian. Most seem to turn the Free Market into a sort of fucking religion, that they are literally willing to sacrifice *ANYTHING* upon it's altar. I find these people REALLY hard to not insult. I simply lack any respect for their "intelligence". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey, if you aren't doing anything wrong you shouldn't be worried about your dick pill and herpes prescriptions becoming public knowledge! [MelGibsonBraveheartFREEDOM!!.gif] This is *EXACTLY* Why I stopped identifying as a libertarian. Most seem to turn the Free Market into a sort of fucking religion, that they are literally willing to sacrifice *ANYTHING* upon it's altar. I find these people REALLY hard to not insult. I simply lack any respect for their "intelligence". |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:00:41 AM EDT
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Issues like this never fail to bring out the intersection of people who don't understand tech and closet big government folks. I have never seen a case where policy or legislation artificially limiting private usage of technology wasn't bad. This proposed fcc regulation would not have 'helped' any of you as consumers. The ISPs are part of massive corporations that can and do leverage the collected data themselves, if they can't sell it they'll use it for marketing in an individual division or sell derived data or sell marketing services that use the data. All that does is give megacorps yet another advantage over small guys who can't do this internally.
The market solution to this will be mainstream adoption of privacy oriented services, VPNs, etc.. There are a ton of user friendly options for VPNs now there will be even more with all the attention this ridiculous issue is getting. Someone will provide a one click home router configuration for the old people and in the end everyone will get real privacy rather than some policy that smart people can easily work around and ISPs who don't have a solid privacy agreement with their customers will get no data at all due to widespread use of VPNs. You can't legislate security and you can't legislate privacy. You practice these things. If people care enough it will drive innovation. We're using bullshit antiquated insecure protocols because thats what we've always used. We can encrypt name resolution, we can stop using smtp, http, etc.. People just need a reason to adapt and adopt. Fake regulation pacifies the consumers who are now in the driver's seat of the evolution of tech. PS. Get off my lawn and stop trying to regulate my internet. We were doing perfectly fine before all you normies arrived. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:12:52 AM EDT
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How much do you pay google for gmail? Heck, you could even make the same point about Operating systems. For instance, I'm on linux right now... and there is a nearly limitless selection of distros. But you typically have no options as far as your ISP goes. I guess I can go with a VPN, and just consider that my "opt out" option. How much do VPNs charge, typically? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:15:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:29:34 AM EDT
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When it comes to Gmail, and various other Google services... I actually have a lot of options. I use Gmail, and am quite "married" to Google's services... though I am starting to think about a possible "divorce" from google. Heck, you could even make the same point about Operating systems. For instance, I'm on linux right now... and there is a nearly limitless selection of distros. But you typically have no options as far as your ISP goes. I guess I can go with a VPN, and just consider that my "opt out" option. How much do VPNs charge, typically? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much do you pay google for gmail? Heck, you could even make the same point about Operating systems. For instance, I'm on linux right now... and there is a nearly limitless selection of distros. But you typically have no options as far as your ISP goes. I guess I can go with a VPN, and just consider that my "opt out" option. How much do VPNs charge, typically? Quoted:
Check this out for a rundown on some of the more popular services. Best VPNs And if you'd like some more in depth info this is good. Everybody loves charts. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:41:03 AM EDT
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Mine is $40 per year. If you want to be extra anonymous then sign up using guerrillamail or a similar email service and pay using a gift card purchased with cash. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:43:51 AM EDT
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Can I just host my own email server like Hillary did? I promise I won't use it to hide shady government deals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine is $40 per year. If you want to be extra anonymous then sign up using guerrillamail or a similar email service and pay using a gift card purchased with cash. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:44:25 AM EDT
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Dunning-Kruger called, it's for you. Don't accuse me of being an idiot, if you can't grasp that simple concept. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:51:05 AM EDT
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You hate the government, but you can't understand how making everyone's data publicly available,... doesn't benefit that same government?! Don't accuse me of being an idiot, if you can't grasp that simple concept. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dunning-Kruger called, it's for you. Don't accuse me of being an idiot, if you can't grasp that simple concept. You don't appear to have a firm enough grasp of this topic to offer informed opinions. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:59:19 AM EDT
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What's funny is you believe this would have stopped anything, as has already been explained this was privacy theater. It would have given the government more leverage to fuck with the private sector though, which as always is the true goal of such regulation. You don't appear to have a firm enough grasp of this topic to offer informed opinions. How about the government passes a resolution, telling retailers that if they want... they can set up hidden cameras in bathrooms/changing rooms and then sell the feed to perverts on the internet for an extra revenue stream? Even if such a dispicable act were already legal, by openly declaring something legal with a house resolution... you remove any question about the practice and end up *ENDORSING* the activity and thus increase the likelihood of retailers having an "AHA! I'll try that!" moment. And why shouldn't retailers be allowed to sell pictures of your naked body, without your consent, or knowledge? After all, "their business, their rules". Where does this train end? Should the government also openly declare that they are totally fine with software companies secretly filming you in your home, and selling the stream to perverts with a "peeping tom" fetish? You are saying the selling of data is already legal. If that is true, then this resolution is basically just a huge advertisement to ISPs to "Know their rights" as far as fucking their consumers in the asshole. IF something is already legal, but it is widely considered a deplorable act by most consumers... then there really is no good reason for the government to push out essentially an endorsement of that activity. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:04:46 AM EDT
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time to get a VPN..
Unbelievable the R's voted for this... |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:09:42 AM EDT
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So if this shit is already legal, why does the government need to pass a law in order to give affirmative consent to such an activity? How about the government passes a resolution, telling retailers that if they want... they can set up hidden cameras in bathrooms/changing rooms and then sell the feed to perverts on the internet for an extra revenue stream? Even if such a dispicable act were already legal, by openly declaring something legal with a house resolution... you remove any question about the practice and end up *ENDORSING* the activity and thus increase the likelihood of retailers having an "AHA! I'll try that!" moment. And why shouldn't retailers be allowed to sell pictures of your naked body, without your consent, or knowledge? After all, "their business, their rules". Where does this train end? Should the government also openly declare that they are totally fine with software companies secretly filming you in your home, and selling the stream to perverts with a "peeping tom" fetish? You are saying the selling of data is already legal. If that is true, then this resolution is basically just a huge advertisement to ISPs to "Know their rights" as far as fucking their consumers in the asshole. IF something is already legal, but it is widely considered a deplorable act by most consumers... then there really is no good reason for the government to push out essentially an endorsement of that activity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's funny is you believe this would have stopped anything, as has already been explained this was privacy theater. It would have given the government more leverage to fuck with the private sector though, which as always is the true goal of such regulation. You don't appear to have a firm enough grasp of this topic to offer informed opinions. How about the government passes a resolution, telling retailers that if they want... they can set up hidden cameras in bathrooms/changing rooms and then sell the feed to perverts on the internet for an extra revenue stream? Even if such a dispicable act were already legal, by openly declaring something legal with a house resolution... you remove any question about the practice and end up *ENDORSING* the activity and thus increase the likelihood of retailers having an "AHA! I'll try that!" moment. And why shouldn't retailers be allowed to sell pictures of your naked body, without your consent, or knowledge? After all, "their business, their rules". Where does this train end? Should the government also openly declare that they are totally fine with software companies secretly filming you in your home, and selling the stream to perverts with a "peeping tom" fetish? You are saying the selling of data is already legal. If that is true, then this resolution is basically just a huge advertisement to ISPs to "Know their rights" as far as fucking their consumers in the asshole. IF something is already legal, but it is widely considered a deplorable act by most consumers... then there really is no good reason for the government to push out essentially an endorsement of that activity. Your pulling the equivalent of a histrionic leftist going "why don't we just hand out baby murdering machine guns and grenade launchers to gang bangers on street corners?!?!" You don't know what you don't know but you're dead convinced you do, you have it all figured out so this is a waste of my time. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:16:44 AM EDT
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I'm just going to dispense with all of the usual counter points about free markets, federalism, personal responsibility, etc, because I've already tried all of those and they've fallen mostly on deaf ears. Your pulling the equivalent of a histrionic leftist going "why don't we just hand out baby murdering machine guns and grenade launchers to gang bangers on street corners?!?!" You don't know what you don't know but you're dead convinced you do, you have it all figured out so this is a waste of my time. Your argument is actually full of fallacies. Like the often used libertarian fallacy that since something can't be prevented 100% of the time, then a law outlawing such activity is pointless. IF you take that line of logic, then even murder should be legalized... "After all, murders still happen." We have laws on the books against dissemination of viruses, hacking into other people's systems, etc.... Yes, it is powerless to stop *ALL* cyber-crime... but that doesn't mean it should be legalized. ETA: Why would it be so terrible to require ISPs to at least be upfront about their privacy policies? If you support "personal responsibility", then why not responsibility for businesses to at least be upfront about their privacy policies, or require you to opt in? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:17:09 AM EDT
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Are we supporting unconstitutional government overreach now? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:25:48 AM EDT
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Ahh yes, another libertarian with a self inflated ego who feels the need to look down on someone who disagrees with him. Your argument is actually full of fallacies. Like the often used libertarian fallacy that since something can't be prevented 100% of the time, then a law outlawing such activity is pointless. IF you take that line of logic, then even murder should be legalized... "After all, murders still happen." We have laws on the books against dissemination of viruses, hacking into other people's systems, etc.... Yes, it is powerless to stop *ALL* cyber-crime... but that doesn't mean it should be legalized. ETA: Why would it be so terrible to require ISPs to at least be upfront about their privacy policies? If you support "personal responsibility", then why not responsibility for businesses to at least be upfront about their privacy policies, or require you to opt in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just going to dispense with all of the usual counter points about free markets, federalism, personal responsibility, etc, because I've already tried all of those and they've fallen mostly on deaf ears. Your pulling the equivalent of a histrionic leftist going "why don't we just hand out baby murdering machine guns and grenade launchers to gang bangers on street corners?!?!" You don't know what you don't know but you're dead convinced you do, you have it all figured out so this is a waste of my time. Your argument is actually full of fallacies. Like the often used libertarian fallacy that since something can't be prevented 100% of the time, then a law outlawing such activity is pointless. IF you take that line of logic, then even murder should be legalized... "After all, murders still happen." We have laws on the books against dissemination of viruses, hacking into other people's systems, etc.... Yes, it is powerless to stop *ALL* cyber-crime... but that doesn't mean it should be legalized. ETA: Why would it be so terrible to require ISPs to at least be upfront about their privacy policies? If you support "personal responsibility", then why not responsibility for businesses to at least be upfront about their privacy policies, or require you to opt in? Read your contracts, take care of your own problems, stop asking your gov daddies to take care of you. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:38:23 AM EDT
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Ah yes, the good ol GOP.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:48:56 AM EDT
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I'm just going to dispense with all of the usual counter points about free markets, federalism, personal responsibility, etc, because I've already tried all of those and they've fallen mostly on deaf ears. Your pulling the equivalent of a histrionic leftist going "why don't we just hand out baby murdering machine guns and grenade launchers to gang bangers on street corners?!?!" You don't know what you don't know but you're dead convinced you do, you have it all figured out so this is a waste of my time. You seem to dodge these questions with hand waving, also why telcos can't just record every conversation for sale. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:49:10 AM EDT
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Keep it up bro, you're kicking the shit out of those straw men. Read your contracts, take care of your own problems, stop asking your gov daddies to take care of you. Legalize burglary. Review your home security system, take care of your own problems, buy guns... stop asking gov daddies to provide police protection. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:56:12 AM EDT
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Fine.... Legalize burglary. Review your home security system, take care of your own problems, buy guns... stop asking gov daddies to provide police protection. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep it up bro, you're kicking the shit out of those straw men. Read your contracts, take care of your own problems, stop asking your gov daddies to take care of you. Legalize burglary. Review your home security system, take care of your own problems, buy guns... stop asking gov daddies to provide police protection. Ok man, you've worn me down, enjoy yelling at clouds. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 3:56:32 AM EDT
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So if this shit is already legal, why does the government need to pass a law in order to give affirmative consent to such an activity? All this law does was stop an Obama administration rule that benefited democrat donors by giving them an unfair advantage over the competition. The rule explicitly handicapped certain companies, while creating a rule that would give other companies that donate to Democrats more money to kick back to Democrats. Your personalized individual Internet history is not able to be sold like that. It never was under ftc rules. All this law does is forbid the FCC to make new regulations that gives an unfair advantage to companies that donated millions to hilary, Obama, schumer, the DNC, sanders and every other democrat. The same Internet you use today, used yesterday, the day before, last week, month, year, is the same Internet with the same rules as you will use tomorrow. All without giving democrat donors a monopoly, and more money to donate to Democrats. The law was created to stop a new rule created by an unelected "official" who just happened to be a president of a large teleco and lobby sit for the industry and donated a lot of money to Obama. The law stops the cronyism, and it's sad that many of you are on the "fuck Republican" train like the DNC msm wants you to be after creating false fear for this law |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:08:40 AM EDT
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It dosent give any affirmative consent more than what was already given for the past many years. All this law does was stop an Obama administration rule that benefited democrat donors by giving them an unfair advantage over the competition. The rule explicitly handicapped certain companies, while creating a rule that would give other companies that donate to Democrats more money to kick back to Democrats. Your personalized individual Internet history is not able to be sold like that. It never was under ftc rules. All this law does is forbid the FCC to make new regulations that gives an unfair advantage to companies that donated millions to hilary, Obama, schumer, the DNC, sanders and every other democrat. The same Internet you use today, used yesterday, the day before, last week, month, year, is the same Internet with the same rules as you will use tomorrow. All without giving democrat donors a monopoly, and more money to donate to Democrats. The law was created to stop a new rule created by an unelected "official" who just happened to be a president of a large teleco and lobby sit for the industry and donated a lot of money to Obama. The law stops the cronyism, and it's sad that many of you are on the "fuck Republican" train like the DNC msm wants you to be after creating false fear for this law Is there a Republican version of CTR? Because that is a rough paraphrasing of exactly the se risible nonsense the Republicans are putting out in press releases that nobody believes a fucking word of. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:12:52 AM EDT
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When it comes to Gmail, and various other Google services... I actually have a lot of options. I use Gmail, and am quite "married" to Google's services... though I am starting to think about a possible "divorce" from google. Heck, you could even make the same point about Operating systems. For instance, I'm on linux right now... and there is a nearly limitless selection of distros. But you typically have no options as far as your ISP goes. I guess I can go with a VPN, and just consider that my "opt out" option. How much do VPNs charge, typically? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much do you pay google for gmail? Heck, you could even make the same point about Operating systems. For instance, I'm on linux right now... and there is a nearly limitless selection of distros. But you typically have no options as far as your ISP goes. I guess I can go with a VPN, and just consider that my "opt out" option. How much do VPNs charge, typically? And I'm sure the irony of your silly blathering completely escapes you. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:48:27 PM EDT
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Issues like this never fail to bring out the intersection of people who don't understand tech and closet big government folks. I have never seen a case where policy or legislation artificially limiting private usage of technology wasn't bad. This proposed fcc regulation would not have 'helped' any of you as consumers. The ISPs are part of massive corporations that can and do leverage the collected data themselves, if they can't sell it they'll use it for marketing in an individual division or sell derived data or sell marketing services that use the data. All that does is give megacorps yet another advantage over small guys who can't do this internally. The market solution to this will be mainstream adoption of privacy oriented services, VPNs, etc.. There are a ton of user friendly options for VPNs now there will be even more with all the attention this ridiculous issue is getting. Someone will provide a one click home router configuration for the old people and in the end everyone will get real privacy rather than some policy that smart people can easily work around and ISPs who don't have a solid privacy agreement with their customers will get no data at all due to widespread use of VPNs. You can't legislate security and you can't legislate privacy. You practice these things. If people care enough it will drive innovation. We're using bullshit antiquated insecure protocols because thats what we've always used. We can encrypt name resolution, we can stop using smtp, http, etc.. People just need a reason to adapt and adopt. Fake regulation pacifies the consumers who are now in the driver's seat of the evolution of tech. PS. Get off my lawn and stop trying to regulate my internet. We were doing perfectly fine before all you normies arrived.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:51:38 PM EDT
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Trump needs to veto it. MAGA.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:10:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2017 1:27:23 PM EDT
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Wow. Is there a Republican version of CTR? Because that is a rough paraphrasing of exactly the se risible nonsense the Republicans are putting out in press releases that nobody believes a fucking word of. 
Having poked around the articles from various #fakenews sites when the FCC ruling was being rolled out, their description of it is pretty much exactly what ThereBeDragoons said it was; a clumsy and arbitrary set of limitations on aggregate (not individual) sharing. Fuckerberg probably paid for the initial ruling. I'm not happy that this is a bigger priority for the GOP than healthcare or border security, but if you're suddenly scrambling around looking for a proxy to surf Pornhub because a regulation that hasn't been implemented yet probably won't be, you just might be a low-information voter 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 7:03:50 PM EDT
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It'll be interesting to see where this goes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It'll be interesting to see where this goes. https://www.gofundme.com/searchinternethistory |
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