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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:35:21 PM EDT
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What authority does congress have to prevent your ISP from selling this info? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What authority does congress have to prevent your ISP from selling this info? This is something for the market to sort out, not government That info is mine. The information produced by my activity belongs 100% to me. No one else. 
Technically, if this passes, ISPs would be allowed to make money off of my "product". 
If they have the authority to allow it, they should have the authority to stop it. Are you seriously advocating for allowing this to happen because "muh free market bro"? 
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:37:58 PM EDT
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So if my ISP sells my browsing history does it include my identity? If not, how hard is it for a buyer to find out who you are?
If a buyer knows who you are or can easily find out think about the potential ramifications for employment, Insurance etc. This really sounds insane. It is bad enough we have to opt out of some much BS instead of opting in. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:44:23 PM EDT
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Lol no. That info is mine. The information produced by my activity belongs 100% to me. No one else.
Technically, if this passes, ISPs would be allowed to make money off of my "product". Your activity on your computer may be your product, your activity on the web isn't. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:45:10 PM EDT
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Cruz and Paul voted for it. Schumer voted against it. Guess I know which side I'd be on. 
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:45:27 PM EDT
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There's a metric fuck ton of folks across the US who *only* have one or two ISPs available as choices for connectivity. My WAG would be somewhere in the neighborhood of ~80 percent of the US wouldn't be *able* to find an ISP who didn't do this if the 5 top ISPs in the US got on board. It is like the South Park where the parents goto get help from the cable company. This is the reaction of the cable company to your problems and them suggesting you try another company... oh wait they are the only ones in town... 
Now they all get to mine your data? Jesus christ this deal just keeps getting worse. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:46:06 PM EDT
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So if your ISP sells my browsing history does it include my identity? If not, how hard is it for a buyer to find out who you are? If a buyer knows who you are or can easily find out think about the potential ramifications for employment, Insurance etc. This really sounds insane. It is bad enough we have to opt out of some much BS instead of opting in. If you're on something like, say Facebook, ISPs could sell your Facebook browsing info to anyone willing to pay. They can sell info on anything you visit, look at, click on, or even hover over with your mouse for a moment. Yes, it is insanity. And as you can see, there's already some loyal bootlickers here to defend said insanity and the Repubs that support it.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:46:07 PM EDT
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Why do Republicans always go full retard whenever they get power? So disappointing....
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:48:49 PM EDT
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If they have the authority to allow it, they should have the authority to stop it. Are you seriously advocating for allowing this to happen because "muh free market bro"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What authority does congress have to prevent your ISP from selling this info? This is something for the market to sort out, not government That info is mine. The information produced by my activity belongs 100% to me. No one else.
Technically, if this passes, ISPs would be allowed to make money off of my "product".
If they have the authority to allow it, they should have the authority to stop it. Are you seriously advocating for allowing this to happen because "muh free market bro"? Because it's not. And I'm 100% right. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 10:52:54 PM EDT
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You don't own the copper and fiber your clicks travel across or the fabric that routes your traffic, your ISP does (or at least leases the rights to use it). Your activity on your computer may be your product, your activity on the web isn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol no. That info is mine. The information produced by my activity belongs 100% to me. No one else.
Technically, if this passes, ISPs would be allowed to make money off of my "product". Your activity on your computer may be your product, your activity on the web isn't. 
Lol. lolololol. LOL. Yes, my activity is indeed my product. Or do I not own the things that I do anymore? 
Guess we're all commies now. "You do not own what you produce through your own actions, your product belongs to the state, to be distributed as we see fit comrade!"
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:02:25 PM EDT
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Lol. lolololol. LOL. Yes, my activity is indeed my product. Or do I not own the things that I do anymore?
Guess we're all commies now. "You do not own what you produce through your own actions, your product belongs to the state, to be distributed as we see fit comrade!"Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol no. That info is mine. The information produced by my activity belongs 100% to me. No one else.
Technically, if this passes, ISPs would be allowed to make money off of my "product". Your activity on your computer may be your product, your activity on the web isn't.
Lol. lolololol. LOL. Yes, my activity is indeed my product. Or do I not own the things that I do anymore?
Guess we're all commies now. "You do not own what you produce through your own actions, your product belongs to the state, to be distributed as we see fit comrade!"You sound as nutty as the people who claim being banned from Twitter is a 1st Amendment violation. Do you realize that practically every single company does this shit? Do you use Facebook, Google, credit cards? They're all data mining your habits and selling them to advertisers and anyone else who wants it. Taking measures to protect your privacy is on you, it's not the government's job to protect you from your own ineptitude. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:03:03 PM EDT
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Thanks Ted, way to earn my reelection vote.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:07:04 PM EDT
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Are we on the wrong side??? Why does our congress seem to be selling out our privacies and rights at every turn?? Worse, they aren't even a little afraid of you. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:08:49 PM EDT
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50 Republican senators voted in favor of this? Da fuq? Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Senate vote was 50-48, with lawmakers voting entirely along party lines. Da fuq? |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:10:44 PM EDT
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Can someone give me a couple of good resources for doing some research on VPNs?
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:12:00 PM EDT
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Are we on the wrong side??? Why does our congress seem to be selling out our privacies and rights at every turn?? R or D doesn't matter. It's them.........and Us. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:13:27 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204576/senators-who-sold-your-internet-history-to-ISPs-174788.JPG high res version here. 50 senators Quote HistoryQuoted:
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50 Republican senators voted in favor of this? Da fuq? high res version here. 50 senators 
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:14:47 PM EDT
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So if your ISP sells my browsing history does it include my identity? If not, how hard is it for a buyer to find out who you are? If a buyer knows who you are or can easily find out think about the potential ramifications for employment, Insurance etc. This really sounds insane. It is bad enough we have to opt out of some much BS instead of opting in. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:14:49 PM EDT
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good the the GOP is the party os personal liberties, they'd never support such a bill. oh wait.....
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:15:41 PM EDT
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Can the isps already do this? The article makes it sound like they removed rules against it that haven't even taken effect yet.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:15:50 PM EDT
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Can someone give me a couple of good resources for doing some research on VPNs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Can someone give me a couple of good resources for doing some research on VPNs? Quoted:
Check this out for a rundown on some of the more popular services. Best VPNs And if you'd like some more in depth info this is good. Everybody loves charts. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:16:58 PM EDT
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From one of the other threads recently. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:17:23 PM EDT
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Thanks Ted, way to earn my reelection vote. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:17:44 PM EDT
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Are we on the wrong side??? Why does our congress seem to be selling out our privacies and rights at every turn?? Are we suddenly going to support legislating through federal agencies? This was a rule that the Obama administration rammed through the FCC at the last minute. Why does it stop ISPs and not stop any websites, apps, or otherwise from the same? In effect is has not stopped the sale of any of your information. It was a smoke and mirrors bullshit regulation that punishes some in the market and not others. Congress has oversight of the FCC and determined it to be an unevenly applied regulation that fails in its mission statement. Furthermore, this rule has never even been in effect, no one has lost any protection which they have previously experienced in this country. I am for the expansion of personal property rights in the digital realm, but for the love of god pass a law. Stop with the bureaucracy legislating. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:18:58 PM EDT
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I honestly can't think of one single politician I would support in their reelection campaign.
At this point I would vote for - Anyone that has never been a politician. Anyone that supports term limits. Anyone belonging to a 3rd party. Our system is beyond broken. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:19:13 PM EDT
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Apparently people here accept whatever bullshit narrative shit sites like Arstechnica put out now.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:23:08 PM EDT
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I am going to reserve judgement on this. I get the feeling there is more to this than headlines let on.
ETA: do any of you trust a Democrat to truthfully tell you what a piece of legislation does? I think they have an interest in selling me a narrow emotional representation of everything. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:25:24 PM EDT
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I don't think we are on the wrong side of this. Are we suddenly going to support legislating through federal agencies? This was a rule that the Obama administration rammed through the FCC at the last minute. Why does it stop ISPs and not stop any websites, apps, or otherwise from the same? In effect is has not stopped the sale of any of your information. It was a smoke and mirrors bullshit regulation that punishes some in the market and not others. Congress has oversight of the FCC and determined it to be an unevenly applied regulation that fails in its mission statement. Furthermore, this rule has never even been in effect, no one has lost any protection which they have previously experienced in this country. I am for the expansion of personal property rights in the digital realm, but for the love of god pass a law. Stop with the bureaucracy legislating. I've seen some of the responses GOP Senators have sent out on this. They literally regurgitate ISP lobbyist bullet points
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:26:26 PM EDT
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In short, it allows your ISP to become a central source for taking everything you do online and selling it to anyone interested. As a website owner, I can track everything you do, down to how long your mouse hovers on a point on a page and I can use your interactions on my page to build a profile about you. Unfortunately, I would be just one website, so I would know everything that @VooDoo3dfx does on, say, airtightgrannies.com. I can sell your information about your love of airtight grannies, but it's only partially monetizable, because I don't know what you do when you aren't on airtightgrannies.com. As an ISP, I can harvest your time on airtightgrannies.com, ARFCOM, ApMex, Amazon, Best Buy, Netflix, Hulu... Literally every single thing you do online. I can then feed those into a database, munch up the data in a Hadoop cluster and spit out, on the other end, a very detailed profile of VooDoo3dfx as a commodity. And that doesn't even get into what the gub'mint could do with it... You think just doing a check of your facebook profile is bad just wait. The Proxy/VPN buisness is gonna be doing well, util they find a easier way to compromise it. We used VPNs overseas to look at porn and watch Netflix. Not sure what a ISP can pull beyond you staying connected to the VPN, we will see real soon. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:28:28 PM EDT
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Great
Now a bunch of pop up ads for assorted "creampies" 
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:30:19 PM EDT
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By this definition, my ISP is fascist because in my area of rural Wisconsin we only have one choice which is our one and only phone company. YOU have a choice. No one is literally holding a gun to your head making you subscribe to their service. Dont like it? Dont use it. Now if they were lining you up and making you take a gas showier before burning you if you didnt use there service, I could see your point. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:31:38 PM EDT
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So tell me how a VPN is going to prevent this again?
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:34:18 PM EDT
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So is it easy enough to configure the router to push all traffic *except* say roku traffic through a VPN?
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:34:45 PM EDT
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You don't own the copper and fiber your clicks travel across or the fabric that routes your traffic, your ISP does (or at least leases the rights to use it). Your activity on your computer may be your product, your activity on the web isn't. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:36:19 PM EDT
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So tell me how a VPN is going to prevent this again? |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:36:45 PM EDT
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Might be an indication that there's more to this than the headline makes it appear... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Senate vote was 50-48, with lawmakers voting entirely along party lines. Da fuq? I really value you opinion, especially when it comes to IT, what do you think is the bigger goal here? |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:37:04 PM EDT
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So tell me how a VPN is going to prevent this again? Quote HistoryQuoted:
So tell me how a VPN is going to prevent this again? Without a VPN your ISP see's EVERY site you visit (no matter if its https / SSL or not)
With a VPN you are giving a IP address that forces ALL traffic through that IP. So, all your provider knows is that you are connecting to that single IP. They have no idea what sites you visit. They only see that single IP. That being said there is frequently bottle neck issues and you are unlikely to get maximum throughput on your available ISP bandwidth no matter what VPN provider you choose. Nevertheless speed is typically more than sufficient (depending on your VPN provider). One more thing. Streaming services very often "Blacklist VPN's" because people try to user them to circumvent geoblocking (using netflix / amazon prime video in europe ...etc when you are not authorised) So, you will likely deactivate the VPN to use streaming services unless you want to keep rotating trying to find one that hasn't YET been blacklisted (and it soon will be) |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:37:41 PM EDT
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because ISPs have been designated Common Carriers, like phone companies. The information generated was considered to be private I've seen some of the responses GOP Senators have sent out on this. They literally regurgitate ISP lobbyist bullet points One thing all politicians regardless of party line have in common is that they're whores owned by the highest bidder. The government doesn't work for you, it works for itself. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:39:42 PM EDT
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I am going to reserve judgement on this. I get the feeling there is more to this than headlines let on. ETA: do any of you trust a Democrat to truthfully tell you what a piece of legislation does? I think they have an interest in selling me a narrow emotional representation of everything. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:42:18 PM EDT
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It won't. The VPNs will be forced to log your traffic to comply with anti terrorism/child porn/etc laws. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:43:06 PM EDT
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If you browse the internet or use a credit card, you and your activities are tracked. You are a product.
Some of y'all would really freak about about in-store tracking. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:45:16 PM EDT
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Enjoy all the Porn and arfcom.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:46:16 PM EDT
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It won't. The VPNs will be forced to log your traffic to comply with anti terrorism/child porn/etc laws. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:46:36 PM EDT
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Another win by repubs!
Fucking retards |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:47:37 PM EDT
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Well, you and me at least get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It won't. The VPNs will be forced to log your traffic to comply with anti terrorism/child porn/etc laws. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:49:11 PM EDT
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Cruz and Mike Lee voted for it, so it can't be that bad.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:54:17 PM EDT
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because ISPs have been designated Common Carriers, like phone companies. The information generated was considered to be private I've seen some of the responses GOP Senators have sent out on this. They literally regurgitate ISP lobbyist bullet points Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think we are on the wrong side of this. Are we suddenly going to support legislating through federal agencies? This was a rule that the Obama administration rammed through the FCC at the last minute. Why does it stop ISPs and not stop any websites, apps, or otherwise from the same? In effect is has not stopped the sale of any of your information. It was a smoke and mirrors bullshit regulation that punishes some in the market and not others. Congress has oversight of the FCC and determined it to be an unevenly applied regulation that fails in its mission statement. Furthermore, this rule has never even been in effect, no one has lost any protection which they have previously experienced in this country. I am for the expansion of personal property rights in the digital realm, but for the love of god pass a law. Stop with the bureaucracy legislating. I've seen some of the responses GOP Senators have sent out on this. They literally regurgitate ISP lobbyist bullet points Like I said, I'd like to see an expansion of personal property rights on this area, just done the properly and through the actual legislative process. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:56:58 PM EDT
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I emailed my republican rhino, not that it would do any good.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:57:13 PM EDT
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So how does one acquire a VPN?
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Posted: 3/27/2017 12:02:25 AM EDT
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So this will be another thing millions will bitch about while most people won't even know about it and we will do nothing about it.
You would think that if millions of people took to DC over this and demanded it not go through and demand privacy that they would back off. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 12:04:09 AM EDT
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Cruz and Mike Lee voted for it, so it can't be that bad. 
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