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Is anyone else seeing what this dude on FB claims is a fake or airsoft rifle??

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52131/20170328-202327-176241.png

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52131/lefties-176242.jpg  

I'm not sure I can see any of these things with any certainty.

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That would make it more likely that the ARs would be in some configuration that you could buy off-the-shelf at some store, or (if a loaned out personal collection) no two in the same configuration.

Something is off.

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Enemy combatants?! Have they started shooting yet? Are they still citizens of the the United States?

I don't like these metro looking fucks either, BUT if we get the idea that because we don't agree with these clowns they're rights should be taken away that's a very bad road to go down.

That road is what led to open carrying being made illegal in California and other states... Because the Black Panthers were open carrying at rallies and on the state capitol grounds.

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This guy gets it. Besides, let's play devil's advocate here. Chances are, plenty of leftists were saying the same thing when those on the right were having their wonderfully thought out open carry "protests". The left was probably referring to those folks as "enemy combatants" and "enemies of the state".

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No. It was far earlier than that. I've seen arguments that put the date at the Whiskey Rebellion, certainly no later than the War Between the States.

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The Constitution isn't dead just because the government violates it in a certain case or because the government does something you don't like. The 1940s is when we became quasi-constitutional because the courts found a way of systematically eliminating its core goal: limiting federal power.

You can't follow a constitution while fighting a civil war. The South's reaction to an election threw the US into constitutional crisis resulting in the Civil War.

While I consider FDR's gold ban via EO unconstitutional, I don't consider it the end of constitutional rule of law. It could be undone. What is different about the court decisions is that they put in place an argument that effectively nullified the Constitution. This was reinforced by social programs that invested the majority of Americans in nullifying the Constitution. It was a Progressive masterstroke. So much so that Tea Party protesters were protesting to protect their unconstitutional entitlements.

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There is no future in trying to "preserve" the Constitution or "restore" it at this point. It's entirely wasted effort, you will never get enough people to AGREE on what it IS/MEANS to actually enforce that agreement. Because, as we have noted, you have to have a certain number of people who agree to be bound by it for it to mean anything, people that are willing to submit to it AND defend it. I won't defend what the  Constitution has become- mandatory baking cakes for fags, unlimited Federal Power etc..... Fuck that.

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Various pics of commie gun club

http://imgur.com/a/xVv0S

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There is still a point in using the constitutional provisions we can, i.e., Heller decision, to further gun rights, etc. Essentially the same way the left uses it, after having undercut its main purpose.

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Guys I hate to have to tell you all this, but that is what freedom looks like.

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What is the End Game?


I'm not looking to tread water because the Tide is in their favor.

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Is anyone else seeing what this dude on FB claims is a fake or airsoft rifle??

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52131/20170328-202327-176241.png

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52131/lefties-176242.jpg  

I'm not sure I can see any of these things with any certainty.

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I would not underestimate them, but it seems like when these things happen it is usually a few people with some basic ARs and that is it.  This seems somewhat "canned", suddenly you have lefties with Magpul gear, suppressors, plate carriers, etc.  It is almost like someone has been reading Arfcom and advising them or someone put something together.  I don't discount there are some serious people there, but how often do you see women, let alone leftie women have nice AR set ups?  Seems like a cross between a show and some people that know some things.

Either way, the threat should be taken seriously.

A producer must have decided the story needed to be more dramatic and scary,  did some editing, then ran the story again.  The edits turned it into a “Gun Rights/Anti-Obama Rally” about “a small army, armed with hundreds of assault rifles, pistols, and shotguns took to the front lawn at the capitol today”.

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Interesting. Shame I can't find any local chapters in KY. Would have thought either Louisville or Lexington (liberal cities) would have something.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/single-post/2017/02/20/A-MESSAGE-TO-THE-PATRIOT-MOVEMENT

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Me neither, that dissy looks like the real deal to me.
What's the big deal here anyway?
A bunch of concerned citizens show up in arms protected by the First and Second amendment and this is a bad thing?  No, I don't agree with them, that's not the point...
Guys I hate to have to tell you all this, but that is what freedom looks like.

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The OC protests were simply about OC.

Also, the left is unhinged. What they say has no merit.

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No, this is what armed, uniformed combatants look like, who represent our enemy's goal to overthrow the United States for perceived ills that have been taught to them by Marxist school teachers and college professors.

In no country that I know of do you get to organize like this as an openly hostile political body intent on overthrowing the government, and walk around armed like it's cool, and get away with it.

Only in America I guess.

It has nothing to do with the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

They weren't peacefully assembled.  They assaulted a "journalist" within seconds of him asking them questions.

They were uniformed for near and far battlefield recognition.

They were not protecting anything or anybody, but using an armed, military formation for the purpose of showing force, where no threat exists to them or their property.

These realities are substantially and legally different than 1st and 2nd amendment protections from government intrusion into individual rights.

You need to reevaluate your perspective of these types of gatherings, and think carefully about them using observation, knowledge of the Bill of Rights and US Constitution, history of revolutionary groups agitated by Marxists, and logical thought.

Jumping into discussion without these pillars in place will leave you with an easily-deconstructed argument.

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Is it?  A free people stand armed, ready to uphold THE RULE OF LAW.

Is that what they are planning on doing?

Cuz I don't think it is.

I think that THEY think that they have better ideas, and are planning on implementing them at the point of a gun.

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No, this is what armed, uniformed combatants look like, who represent our enemy's goal to overthrow the United States for perceived ills that have been taught to them by Marxist school teachers and college professors.

In no country that I know of do you get to organize like this as an openly hostile political body intent on overthrowing the government, and walk around armed like it's cool, and get away with it.

Only in America I guess.

It has nothing to do with the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

They weren't peacefully assembled.  They assaulted a "journalist" within seconds of him asking them questions.

They were uniformed for near and far battlefield recognition.

They were not protecting anything or anybody, but using an armed, military formation for the purpose of showing force, where no threat exists to them or their property.

These realities are substantially and legally different than 1st and 2nd amendment protections from government intrusion into individual rights.

You need to reevaluate your perspective of these types of gatherings, and think carefully about them using observation, knowledge of the Bill of Rights and US Constitution, history of revolutionary groups agitated by Marxists, and logical thought.

Jumping into discussion without these pillars in place will leave you with an easily-deconstructed argument.

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From their facebook page:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/86695/johnbrown-176629.jpg

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Nah,  we have to work and family herp derp.

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Where do I sign up for the free training?

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There is still a point in using the constitutional provisions we can, i.e., Heller decision, to further gun rights, etc. Essentially the same way the left uses it, after having undercut its main purpose.

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I think the two of us may be looking at that tired old document from completely different perspectives.

Firstly, let me assure you that I have no illusions regarding that document. The lion's share of it is nothing more than procedural rules for conducting the governance of the bag of snarling cats that was the several sovereign states. Those bits of it that so clutch at the hearts of libertarians and conservatives (for sufficient values of conservative) lie largely in the Bill of Rights -- an addendum tacked on at the insistence of the anti-federalists who saw what we're dealing with coming.

THAT being said, the Constitution of the United States was one of those rare documents that approached the miraculous. Even the French, who tried to ape it, fucked their version up. If you look, the US Constitution is all about the person, while the French version is all about 'the people'. Far too many readers don't see the difference, but it's vital, and it's there.

Those of us who revere and strive to protect the Constitution (for the most part) already realize it's been perverted and misapplied. We understand that the relatively modern trend of redefining words until they grant license to do whatever the reader wills has savaged the principle of the document and twisted its intent. Really, we do.

Guys on your side of the aisle look at the travesty it's become and shake their heads, declaring it's demise and wondering what comes next.

Guys on my side of the aisle look at it and we see it like Grandpa's grand old mansion after a couple of decades of subsidized housing tenants. It's a fucking mess and it seems like EVERYthing is broken! But it's still standing on a solid foundation, and the basic structure remains intact.

It doesn't need to be torn down. It needs to be restored.

Yeah, might makes right, power comes from the barrel of a gun, things change, blahdy blahdy blah.  We're not clinging to a dead woman, we're trying to rescue a severely injured one.





Just got off the phone with a guy who spent several years in Chile. His Chilean wife's family remember Allende's time in office, and not fondly.

The Chilean view of Pinochet (they pronounce it Peen-oh-chet) is that the CIA assassinated Allende and then informed Pinochet that he was in charge and that he'd run the country the way they told him to or else. They view him as an American puppet, and somewhat akin to Stalin in the way he treated people he didn't like.

He, for instance, shipped lots of "native Americans" up to the northern mines as pretty much slave labor. Of course, most of the 'native Americans' in Chile were socialists, and supported Allende. They were also pretty militant about it.

At the same time, he took the economy that was on the brink of Venezuelan style collapse (his wife remembers the tail end of the Allende regime and not having food to eat) and turned it into one of the most prosperous in South America.

End result, the current Chilean citizenry is split in half. They either respect him or hate him, with the socialists hating him, and the non-socialists recognizing that, however brutal he was, he saved their country.


Now, look at the left and right in America today, and you can see pretty clearly the militant 'Allende supporters' v the 'Pinochet supporters'. We're seeing the end result of sixty years of trying to play nice with socialists, and those helicopter rides are looking much more like a viable path to victory.

I suppose we could play relativism games and yammer on about how we're 'all Americans' and all have the same rights. While that's true on its face, what we've actually got are two warring factions, each of them determined to displace the other. The difference between 'us' and 'them' is that we want the nation to return to the rule of law and its Constitutional basis, and they want to demolish the whole thing and replace it with a socialist puppet of some supranational cabal of communists.

At what point are we allowed to recognize it's a war and defend the country?