Aren't you supposed to be out curing cancer?

I'm not LP.

Again, if LP guy or some other store employee is willing to swear under oath that said person stole something, they are going to jail.  When you get your court date you can argue all you want.  If its your first time shoplifting and you qualify I might give you a criminal citation (notice to appear) and you won't go to jail.  

 

Varies wildly by location.   In some states, they can do some things law enforcement can't, and/or can authorize law enforcement to do those things.

Do you CoC 6 much bruh?

Fwiw I've had 3 pairs of glasses broken after altercations in my place of employment. I've gotten replacements for all on court orders. No one has ever tried fighting any charges placed while I was acting in best interest of my employer.

Go ahead and fight the charges. I'd be interested in the results.

No thanks. I encourage healthy debate. Sorry you hate freedom.

I did occasionally, but it wasn't a habit as I had bills to pay and needed a job.  I couldn't afford to fuck up and join the ranks of the unemployed.

One time.. I saw a teenage looking dude come in and go straight to the electrical tools section.  They were high theft since they are a little pricey.  He took an expensive pair of wire strippers and headed to the back of the store.  I followed him.  He went into the bathroom.  Policy said I was fucked at that point and couldn't do much.  I chose to go into the bathroom also.  He was in a stall, I just went in and acted like I was washing my hands.  Then went to the door and opened it and let it close so it sounded like I left.  I stood where he couldn't see I was still in there.  I immediately heard him opening the package to the wire strippers.  I just waited.  A few mins later he came out of the stall and nearly shit himself when he saw me standing by the exit.  I went straight into the stall, found the empty package for the wire cutters.  I tossed the empty package on the counter by the sink and just told him to leave the wire strippers on the counter when he leaves or I'm calling the cops.  I walked out and waited outside the bathroom.  I went back in after he left... he left the wire strippers right where I told him to.  Definitely violated policy that night.  Jokes on him as I wouldn't have done shit if he didn't leave them on the counter.

I think we now know why someone pushed your shit in.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm a little to harsh.

Then a half dozen guys all pretty much reafirm my opinion and I feel better

MAKAUKAU

So I take it this thread didn't go the way OP planned?

Not at all.  I think he could have overcome the vague OP though.  He just proceeded to repeatedly eat shoe leather.

Wow.  I did not know that.

I just thought he caught the hammer.

He caught the hammer first.  I am pretty sure it is him.  But I could be wrong.  He had multiple handles.  I don't want to be the one saying something wrong though.

Death announcement thread

Pfttttt.. WEAK!
@03RN

We touch, detain, and remove people all the time.

If I could count the number of tough guy "if you touch me Ill fuck you up, sue you, ruin your life and career, blah blah blah blah, ill own this place" encounters I've had over the years before they ended up in handcuffs, I'd need a calculator.

I work in an ER though, so...

FWIW, I've been to court dozens of times over the years after physically touching, detaining, or forcefully removing people - usually because they were arrested afterwards - never been sued once, never been slapped on the peepee by a judge.

They ALWAYS think they are in the right, on someone else's private property. Right about the time they're refusing to leave after a formal trespass. I especially like "go ahead and call the cops! You're going to jail for touching me when I tell them what happened!"

One of my favorite patients was a guy who gave one of my classmates a black eye. When I walked in he became very polite. I helped to boost him and left. Turns out he was extremely violent but his assigned nurse always requested me to help with him for the next 2 weeks he was on my floor.

The 15th leadership trait is size

This very heavily depends on the state

POPCORN! MOAR POPCORN, DAMMIT!

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that I'd be set.

Touched by an Angel is probably better than being touched by your uncle

In my state, security (armed and unarmed) have the same rights as any private citizen to detain a person who they reasonably believe to have committed a crime, including using reasonable force to detain this person.  Security can also use reasonable force to remove people from premises for which they are responsible.  Now, how far the proprietor wants to allow his hired security to go is up to him.  It varies greatly from record everything and turn it over to the cops without touching anyone, to beat the bad guy unconscious or shoot him in the face.

Hop the fence at a nuke plant, be sure to ask "am i being detained?" multiple times and on camera if you can.

All depends on the state.  South Carolina as an example.

"SECTION 40-18-110. Authority and arrest powers of those licensed or registered under chapter.

A person who is registered or licensed under this chapter and who is hired or employed to provide security services on specific property is granted the authority and arrest power given to sheriff's deputies. The security officer may arrest a person violating or charged with violating a criminal statute of this State but possesses the powers of arrest only on the property on which he is employed."

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t40c018.php


I took a training class from a guy in charge of security on a private resort on the coast.  While on the property, they had state approval to run blue lights and issue traffic tickets and use radar.



"73-413. State Uniform Traffic Summons tickets; private security.
1. Private security officers may not possess or issue State Uniform Traffic Summons tickets except as
approved by SLED and the South Carolina Department of Public Safety. No such approval will attend
unless the owner or designee of the owner of the private property involved is in compliance with the
following procedure:
A. The owner or designee of the owner of the property being patrolled must be in compliance with
the provisions of Article 45, Chapter 5, Title 56, South Carolina Code of Laws, concerning regulation of
traffic on private roads;
B. The owner or designee of the owner of the property being patrolled must submit to SLED
documentation of compliance with all requirements of law concerning enforcement of State traffic laws
on private roads and must have written approval of SLED and the South Carolina Department of Public
Safety to possess and issue State Uniform Traffic Summons tickets on the private property.
C. The licensee of the private security business must have written approval from SLED for use of
blue lights on security company vehicles on the property.
2. State Uniform Traffic Summons tickets used pursuant to this authority may not be issued for any
offense if such issuance is not in compliance with provisions of South Carolina Code Section 56-5-6310,
South Carolina Code Section 56-7-10, and South Carolina Code Section 56-7-15.
3. Private security officers authorized by their employing entity to issue State Uniform Traffic
Summons tickets must receive training by their employer sufficient to ensure proper knowledge of the
lawful use of such tickets."


http://www.sled.sc.gov/documents/PI/Regulations2006.pdf

And youd be wrong.  Ever heard of a bounty hunter?  Guess they have no special rights either huh?

What most people don't realize, is that, at least in MN and WI, the police have the same arrest power as the citizen, not vice versa.

The main difference between police arresting someone and a citizen is that police can arrest based on probable cause.

Citizens can only arrest on witnessing a felony.  They have to see it.

When apprehending shoplifters, they are not placed under arrest, they are held in Custodial Detainment.  Big difference as far as the courts are concerned.  They are just being held until police arrive, that's all.  The handcuffs are for everyone's safety.

To run a successful iron clad no lawsuit loss prevention program you must follow these simple rules:

You must see the shitbag conceal the item
You must not lose sight of the shitbag, even for a split second after they have concealed the item
The shitbag must pass the last point of purchase before a stop can be made

If you follow those rules you will never fail to get a conviction.  It's not that hard.  Plus law enforcement trusts that you know what you are doing and their arrest won't be thrown out.

The security industry has been very good for me over the last 25 years.  It's a good career field to get in to.

The good ones don't really care if you're bluffing.  It's not worth the risk and they play it safe.  The ones with something to prove will sometimes push the limits but they will build up a rap sheet faster that way.  Most will just talk a bunch of shit on the way out and try it again in a few weeks or so.

Need more details of situation hypothetical or not for a good opinion from people. Law is all about nuances. If someone asked, "what would happen to me if I shot someone?" Well no one could answer that well without more facts. Did the subject shoot someone to defend their life or that of another? Did they shoot their neighbor because their dog shit on their prize winning lawn? Those details are the difference between self defense and murder in the above example.

Also as for the "break them" garbage. No that implies a greviois wound to the other person for either escorting you off their property or for detaining you for having either reasonable suspicion or probable cause that you are stealing property. Malicious wounding is a felony in VA so if you "broke" a bouncer for escorting you off the premisis after you refused to leave of your own volition have fun facing felony charges. Same for shoplifting and beating the piss out of a loss prevention officer. Even if you are found innocent of the underlying charge if you use unreasonable force and break someone you are catching a felony charge for that act.

Lastly as for the six figures question, like I said in the beginning details are needed. If someone arrests you and has probable cause to do so takes you to jail a magistrate agrees with them on the probable cause you get bailed out then eventually beat the charge then there is no penalty. Trials are part of the justice system we don't live in judge dread world where officers are judge and jury as well as investigators and responders. Now if a police officer or LPO or anyone else detains you because of a frivolous reason like I don't know "All Minnesotans are fucking thieves" or something like that then yeah you are going to have a golden opportunity for a civil case and they will probably face criminal charges. Details man details.

I would think so, seems like their job would be pretty hard to do otherwise.  

I'm not a thief so I've never had a run in with loss prevention.  Only fought the bouncers once, and we won and then just left, so I can't help with that part either

Alabama Criminal Code 13a-3-25

(a) A person in lawful possession or control of premises, as defined in Section 13A-3-20, or a person who is licensed or privileged to be thereon, may use physical force upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent or terminate what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission of a criminal trespass by the other person in or upon such premises.

(b) A person may use deadly physical force under the circumstances set forth in subsection (a) of this section only:

(1) In defense of a person, as provided in Section 13A-3-23; ?or

(2) When he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent the commission of arson in the first or second degree by the trespasser.

A security officer in Alabama Is acting under the color of the property owner and has the same right and privilege of said property owner.

It's a little different.

The majority of their special ed rights are contractual, not so much powers from the state.

Their bond signs over the right for the bondsman + employees to enter & search the houses and vehicles of whoever bonded out plus whoever cut the check, plus all the fun detaining & transport facts.

Nationwide/Zaminsky, RIP

It really is situation and location dependent.   For instance in Volusia county FL, I saw a guy attack a bouncer who was trying to call the cops to have him trespassed.   The scumbag knocked the bouncer to the ground dislocating his shoulder and proceeded to beat the shit out of him.  The bouncer never touched the guy.  I grabbed the scumbag off the bouncer and held him for the cops.  When the cops showed up they told the scumbag to walk away and not come back, after attacking a guy and injuring him.

I have personally been punched, choked, and hit in the throat while working as a security officer.   The local cops will do nothing generally.     One of my coworkers got a guy arrested for attacking him, but it was a homeless guy that the cops hated.  I don't even bother calling the cops anymore except to remove trespassers that won't leave.

So, yeah OP in Volusia county, FL you can break security whether or not you are right or wrong and get away with it.  I doubt you could sue a security officer though, no lawyer would take your case given how little money we make.

rent-a-cops have no more authority than kid the mcdonalds counter. They love to act like hard-asses but no need to listen, obey, etc.

As others have said depends on the state.

In Virginia they have private police called Special Conservators of the Peace which get their commission from a Judge. The court will set all the parameters of the SCOP from use of firearms, powers of arrest, use of marked vehicles with lights and sirens, issuance of traffic violations, the area in which the SCOP may conduct "official" business, etc etc

Usually its for a private community such as Kingsmill resort in Williamsburg or other private entity that has petitioned a court to have SCOP officers.

Several communities have SCOP departments and some public entities use them as security or other functions where they want someone qualified to carry a gun make arrests etc but don't want a full blown peace officer.

Lol..  Is that you or your boyfriend?

The more the Police are dis empowered the more your going to have security goons strutting around like they are INTERPOL.

Honestly the morons I have seen working these jobs....I cant help but think the public kinda deserves them.

In a nut shell, the same as any other citizen.
Tribal lands are a whole other ball game. But with few exceptions they really can't do anything but report and record.

It does vary to some degree from state to state and tribal land.

That's the best response you could come up with?

Depends on the state.

Here in MI, some places employ "arrest authority" security guards who have all the same powers of certified LEOs.

This thread has good potential, lol.

One of my buddies dad was accused by 'loss prevention' at a department store of lifting a bottle of perfume.

He had the receipt in his other coat pocket.

They made a real scene of stopping him on the way out the door.

It was a quick $10,000 payday.

Merry Christmas.

It was pretty good.  I chuckled, quietly, to myself.