I think being poor should be added to that list.

Rapists genetics have no rights. !/4 and BBQ.

You know what is great about children? YOU CAN MAKE MORE!

Good point.  Although I'm also curious if the woman actually has to prove it was rape/incest first?

No, actually we shouldn't.  While I may not carry a child, the life of the child still has worth and validity to me.  

What I just cannot fathom is the logic that I see going like this....

"They found a single cell organism on Mars....Proof of Life!  Save the Darter Snail.  Don't eat meat, all life is sacred.  Fetus's aren't children..."

ETA  Had to fix that little bit there

This!

But that guy is an idiot.  Really.  Sterilization should be a often used tool in cases like him...

It's crap like this that stop many young people from voting republican.

EXACTLY.

It's probably a felony like everything else the gov is pissed they can't stop you from doing.

Just our legislature? Hell our Governor's an idiot IMO

I detest the "my body" arguments and detest abortion as a form of birth control as a way to deal with an inconvenient pregnancy.

That being said, a woman raped should not be forced to carry and deliver that child, and a woman who is at medical risk during delivery should not be forced to have the baby.

I would not trade my unicorn for 1000 screaming childrenfetus.

The extremes on abortion are about as stupid as extremes get.  You have people on one end who give no consideration to the unborn, and on the other end people who give no consideration to women.  I belong to the small majority who believe elective abortion should be available under limited circumstances.  The argument then becomes where to place the limits.  The extremes just insult and talk past each other.

Set the line SOMEWHERE and be done with it, or let the states set the line somewhere within some semblance of reason.

Everyone has the option of living their own life by what they regard as a higher standard.  My standard is to stay the heck
out of other peoples' personal decisions unless they affect me.

Do any of these idiots pay the least bit of attention of recent history? We're still stuck with McCaskill because Akin couldn't keep his bullshit to himself. He lost his bid for Senate after making a stupid statement about rape.

Making public comments about rape is like telling jokes about Adolf Hitler.  Both should be attempted only by professionals. 

And this is why we lose mid term election.

They've been marginalized for decades.

How's that been working out for you?

Once the Papal State was established and Catholicism the dominant religion in the world, there was no more need to burn people at the stake and take all their shit.   Islam is doing the same shit Christianity did several hundred years ago to establish its dominance.  Only difference is today they have bombs instead of lances.

     

Which God would that be?

Well, I am against abortion in any circumstance.  Not only would I vote to end it, I vote for people who do, and I am willing to give up anything if it means this horrible practice is ended in this country.  I know some would say "There goes the 2nd amendment!", and I would respond by saying I don't see the point of having weapons in a society that can't protect the truly innocent.  You cannot have liberty, and the pursuit of happiness without first having life.  If unalienable rights are allowed to change depending on circumstance, then the Bill of Rights equal toilet paper.  

Even in the case of the mothers safety I am still against abortion.  If it comes to saving my wife or our unborn child, I would pick the baby every single time, and thankfully my wife agrees.  I personally believe as a parent it is your duty to die for your kids if it comes to that, and anything less then that is cowardly.              

I am a Christian before anything else, and my faith will never be off the table.  On the day of Judgement Jesus will call me a hypocrite for many things, but being allowed to a chance at life will not be among them.  I do not believe it is God's will for a woman to be raped, but I do believe it is God's will for life to be born.  Rape is wrong, as is murder, and 2 wrongs will never make a right.  I am raising a child born from an unfortunate event from my wife's past, not only am I putting my money where my mouth is, but I am also telling you it is fruitful.  

I am all for killing rapists, give them their day in court, give them an appeal, and then hang them 3 days later.

I know I am not really responding to the article in the OP, but more of the question in this thread on who supports this type of lawmaker.  I do!  I understand my side is losing on this front, I understand my position will cause people to flee into the arms of the opposition, and I understand the chance of repealing abortion in this country is slim.  I will always vote for what I think is right, and I will always oppose what I think is evil.  

NavyIS2, this inbred garbage believes your a wishy-washy POS who has to let other men draw lines in your sand.  I have no doubt that a man such as yourself finds it hard to pick sides, and I hope reading my post helps remove any burdens you have at making that choice.  This redneck doesn't have that problem, and maybe a guy like you needs a God to help strengthen your resolve.

Aren't murder, terrorism, torture, and abortion also the will of god? I mean, all part of the plan right?

The sensationalist headline is a bit contrived.  When you read the actual article he was asked (trolled) by another member who asked if rape and incest were part of God's plan and he said as much in the context that everything was part of God's plan.

Not all the founders, the ones that said as much were theological liberals.

The founders were largely theological liberals and deists, not bible-thumpers.

Thank God for hundreds of years of the Enlightenment.

So, you're okay with killing a baby (a third party that didn't rape anybody) depending on what kind of sex the woman had?

You wonder if some of these republicans are democrat double-agents

what a complete moron


I wonder what this clown would say if a couple of guys raped the shit out of him?

I am anti-abortion but the idea of asking a woman to carry a rapist's baby to term is insane

that is a burden that is inconceivable

it's a violation on top of a violation

you will never live in a country where rape babies must be carried to term by law unless you change your name to muhammed islam and move to the middle east

there is a point where practical reality must intrude on philosophical musings

women vote

unless the women are die-hard fundamentals, they're going to vote against the "rape baby must be birthed" idea

and so will the majority of men

so the entire topic is moot.  That kind of law will never exist in the USA

I'd say having filed a police report, or DNA testing could easily divine the answers to those questions.

The party of stupid.

People's opinion of God is just whatever they want to put on it.

There's no freewill with an all-knowing God that knew your end-fate BEFORE he created you (when he could have created you differently or not at all). You end-fate was pre-determined BEFORE you were created (as such, when you could have been created differently or not at all).

Aren't you kinda admitting it's about punishing the woman for having irresponsible sex rather than the life of the third party by doing so?

The baby/fetus is still just as "innocent" whether conceived of rape or by irresponsible sex.

Because the fetus is a human with a right to life, unless it was conceived through rape or incest.  Then it's magically not.  Yep, that's a smart position to expect people to hold.

He didn't say God was responsible for her being raped.  He said God is Soverign and uses it for His good.  God didn't cause the rape.  The man did.  But God will work the circumstances for His will.  There is a difference there.  But it makes a better headline to say that God caused the rape.

I don't believe so.  I believe God's will is to be fruitful, and multiply.  I would say that God's plan has not been followed, and I do believe that every single person will be held to account for that.  I believe the God of the old testament did the things you find detestable to set up the coming of Jesus, and I believe he would not agree to abortion.  

You can take religion out of this, and my opinion will remain the same.  Biologically your job is to reproduce yourself, and nature show's us its worth dying for.

Didn't God know everything that would happen before he created people (when he could have created them differently or not at all)?

Are stillborns the will of God? Aren't these his abortions?

I still don't see how abortion is any business of a politician.  Don't like abortion?  Then don't get one!  The religious part of this is ridiculous as there are too many religions, factions of the same religions, and people that are not religious to use it to govern people and their choices.  I am not a big fan of people using invisible beings to tell others how to live their lives and make decisions.  A lot of people on both sides of ever argument are hypocrites.  They don't want politicians telling them what to do, but they sure as hell want them to stop others from doing things they disagree with.

Why do you have an opinion on abortion, aren't you a man?

I'm not trying to influence public policy.  Gun rights are WAY more important to me than abortion.

Do we really want to talk about what the church said over the years to defend Christianity? I didn't say what the church said. I said that despite the fact that different methods of abortion or forced miscarriage weren't uncommon at that time and the imaginary Jesus doesn't mention once that it should be illehad in fact some of the only mentions around the abortion argument are in the old testment. The numbers I posted on page 2 and the instructions to Moses not to count anyone towards the census until they're over a month old (regarding them as less than people). I mean, I don't want anyone to force their religion m anyone, ever. However, If you're going to,  you should probably make sure it is even in the book you're using.

Is that the reason you don't try to influence public opinion or is it because you're not entitled to one because you're a man?

Wouldn't that mean a woman getting raped and getting pregnant is not the will of god as well?

If these religious fuckwads would stay out of the Republican party, they'd never lose an election.

This is the kind of moralistic showboating by Republicans that prompted my "Gonna be Hillary, sure as shit" comment that incensed  a few members here.

Mercifully, the Republicans managed to largely avoid tromping on their own dicks for a few months, and the horror of a Clinton presidency was avoided.

Yaas

then it would be Gods plan for that idiot to die and the one using his sights to live to fight another day..

yes, the people progressed so nicely under the Atheists like Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, etc

I will pray that that you grow up to not be as easily triggered.

Hilarious that that the bible thumpers here are saying the same shit they whined about libertarians saying in previous years. The ones here that screamed their little heads off about voting 3rd party when their bible thumper failed to have enough support to even get nominated were also entertaining.

That there's a whole mess of derp.