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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:41:32 PM EDT

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I read a really interesting article an arfcommer posted a week ago or so discussing this. Well worth the read. I didn't really understand it. It sounds like most of the blame is on our side of the border.

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Drugs and illegal immigration are both driven by demand. As a nation we are working the wrong end of this equation.

Posted: 3/23/2017 3:02:04 PM EDT

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KY is the same way.

Posted: 3/23/2017 4:10:19 PM EDT

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Crazy question...

Does crime follow the heroin crowd similar to the meth crowd? Am I going to have my house gutted of copper by a heroin addict?

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Yes. Dopers will do anything, ANYTHING, when they're chasing their high.

Posted: 3/23/2017 5:18:10 PM EDT

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Yeah

Its hitting the working class families really hard around the pittsburgh area recently

I heard they had 3 od's in one day in the same bathroom at a sheetz gas station

I personally know one person who died from an od and his sister almost bit the dust too recently

It's everywhere. ..gotta watch out for discarded Needles in some areas

as far as what's causing the overdoses I think people who have been using for years are getting a hold of stronger batches and accidentally overdosing

you also have a segment of those same people who will seek out the more powerful stuff that's killing people simply for a stronger High

thirdly you have people who get out of jail and have no idea that they may be getting their hands on something so powerful as to kill them

Posted: 3/23/2017 5:25:10 PM EDT

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I thought it was a rare to see any news about heroin around here 15 years ago. Now it seems like it's all you hear about. wonder what changed? price? availability?

Still don't know how anyone would willing addict themselves to heroin.

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First they get hooked on family member's opiate based pills.

Then they start seeking at hospitals if the ones at home or at grandmas house dry up.

Then someone says hey, heroin is a better high and it's easier to get and cheaper.

Then they get their free Narcan just in case and away we go.

I would rather deal with 50 Opiate abusers than 1 meth head.

Posted: 3/23/2017 5:43:50 PM EDT

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I have known a whole lot of people who had it made in life either lose it all or die from going to pills to H.

I also know people who would like to go out on weekends and drink and pop a few pills now and then and never moved on to the heavier stuff.

I have had prescriptions for pain meds and take as small amount as possible and whatever isn't used I store in a lockbox in my safe to keep it away from others.

When it first started to get big a coworker and I were talking about it at schools on the west side suburbs of Cleveland, a coworker lived there and he got pissed at us and called us liars and that it wasn't a issue and we are just jealous that we don't live in such a nice and rich city as his

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A few days later it was all over the news that 3 or 4 kids in the highschool OD'd and some H was found in a back of a middle school kid.

He didn't say a word to us about it and it just proved our point that the shit is everywhere no matter what size the town is or the class of people that live there.
it can effect people from all walks of life and doesn't matter if you are a bum on the street to a CEO of a major company with a supermodel wife.

Posted: 3/23/2017 5:48:29 PM EDT

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You can see "The lean" all over the place in Baltimore. How come they never fall over?

Posted: 3/23/2017 5:52:43 PM EDT

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The more you're tuned into it, the more you'll notice it. The sheeple are always shocked when the find out.

Posted: 3/23/2017 6:05:29 PM EDT

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Unfortunately you're wrong. Opioid addiction crosses every race, class and sector of our society. You would die of you knew the number of doctors, executives, lawyers, and judges hooked.

I pray better less addictive pain killers are created in the near future so traditional drugs will only be given to the most severe/ terminal cases.

We will see.

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E TN is the epicenter...fact.

I believe it is another example of Darwin thinning out the herd...all we need to do is get out of his way.

Unfortunately you're wrong. Opioid addiction crosses every race, class and sector of our society. You would die of you knew the number of doctors, executives, lawyers, and judges hooked.

I pray better less addictive pain killers are created in the near future so traditional drugs will only be given to the most severe/ terminal cases.

We will see.

No, I'm right...18 years of implants in this market space tells me I'm right. The national and state prescription data base doesn't lie...E TN is at the top. I never said it was a certain class...and no, I would not be shocked since I've seen well over 10k patients with my devices.

Regarding less addictive pain pills...I don't think so...as long as they are opiate based. Now N type calcium channel blockers, like, say...Prialt (Ziconitide)...that's a different story.

Posted: 3/23/2017 6:07:41 PM EDT

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These stupid fucks are gonna make it impossible for me to get my "good" cough syrup when I'm sick

Posted: 3/23/2017 6:09:53 PM EDT

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worked as an EMT in rural Upstate NY...yup

moved to northern NH in the middle of the White Mountains....because gd says uproot everything and move you life for gun laws..and to talk shit to Texans...so i did

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Buddy is an EMT in Upstate backwoods farm town NY and told me he had to use the narco pen or whatever its called twice in a week.........on the same kid.

Posted: 3/23/2017 6:37:41 PM EDT

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Local sheriff told me that they are definitely seeing an increase. With marijuana becoming legal state by state with the possibility of going national, there is less profit. Cartels are laying the foundation for the next profit product in the future.

Even drug lords know how to adapt to changing societal winds to find a profit.

Posted: 3/23/2017 6:38:46 PM EDT

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21 months ago when I had my thyroid surgery, they sent me home with a big bottle of Oxy tablets. I still have them in the safe minus two. Didn't like the way they made me feel, not euphoric, just...weird. Finished out my convalescence with just Motrin. Actually seemed better for the pain.

Since then I've started on an experimental drug to treat the cancer. Along with it comes several side effects, one of which is moderate to severe muscle cramps. The Doctor gave me Tramadol, which I understand is about as mild an opiate as you can get, but still habit forming. I end up taking one about every two or three days or so at bedtime, even though the script is for four a day. Never feel like I "need" to take one other than for treating pain.

I know that somewhere down the line I'll be taking something, probably much stronger. By then I won't have to worry about "long term effects".

Posted: 3/23/2017 6:51:07 PM EDT

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What freedoms can we sacrifice to keep heroin addicts from over dosing ??? I mean we have not spent enough money and sacrificed enough freedom trying to win a war that is impossible to win....

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:02:08 PM EDT

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Want to know how I know you haven't a clue?

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:09:30 PM EDT

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obamacare fucked up a lot of things but over prescription of pain killers has been a problem since at least the 90s

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Nope. Over prescribing is not a problem. People have been sucking down opiates for a million years. Heroin was first touted as a cure for opium addiction. The problem is that addicts are going to addict and no law, no punishment on legitimate patients will change it.

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:10:04 PM EDT

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Well shit, I guess you solved the problem. We redefine it and it's not a problem. We just tell those addicts to buck up and they fly straight, right? Or is there more to it?

Facts do not cease being facts just because you disagree with them.

Precisely. There is a problem related to opioid addiction and it carries a cost to society. you may not like that fact, but it is a fact. The fact is many people became addicted to opioids after they were prescribed them by a doctor.

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:12:15 PM EDT

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heroin ODs have been rising steadily over the past few years but prescription opioids are still a huge source of ODs

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That, by that graph have flattened out.

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:16:01 PM EDT

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Take a closer look at the geriatric population and you'll notice a theme. They know, and some times are told by their Doctors, that taking too many pain pills at once can cause them to go to sleep and never wake up again. When you're old with a million health problems and you die in your sleep nobody investigates it. Spend some time hanging out in a dialysis clinic or a wound treatment center and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Or visit someone who knows fairly certain that their dementia is going to turn them into a turnip long before they die. Lots of people are using their pain pills for a permanent cure. Unless you do a pill count as part of your initial investigation the Coroner is going to just tell you to release the body to the family and sign off on the death certificate.

Bills paid up, dishes done, door left unlocked, house looks like it's ready for visitors... Who am I to judge?

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So you see older people with open wounds, on dialysis, had several surgeries and don't understand why they need pain medication? You'd rather they suffer?

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:24:43 PM EDT

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heroin should be legal. (and everything else)

if it was legal, people wouldnt commit crimes to get their fix.

if it was legal, it would put the cartels out of the main source of income.

if it was legal their would be no war on drugs that drains freedoms every day

if it was legal less folks would die because the doses would be known.

if it was legal, most likely the number of folks using it would be about the same.

in all my years i found one thing to be true. folks who wanna use drugs use drugs. the only question is how they get them and what they do to get them.

no one likes a drunk, no one likes a addict but making it legal wouldnt change the numbers of these folks but it would do less damage to society as a whole.

folks often say, let darwin decide. i agree. actually darwin decides every day, but some people think you can changes the laws of darwin. but you cant.

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:32:12 PM EDT

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I can't say more than, "Thank you".

I'm a tough, brutal, and ruthless S.o.B. Yet, things like that break me down. They hurt me, they upset me, and they enrage me.

Combat medic, combat engineer, recon team lead, and light infantry officer

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I represented an Army Ranger who was blown up in an IED and was almost immediately hooked on pain pills in the aftermath. Before long he was stealing things to fund the addiction. Sucked. But there was a happy ending.

I can't say more than, "Thank you".

I'm a tough, brutal, and ruthless S.o.B. Yet, things like that break me down. They hurt me, they upset me, and they enrage me.

Combat medic, combat engineer, recon team lead, and light infantry officer

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So that Ranger should be left to die, rot in a cell with his dealers, or shot by those he victimized?

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:39:05 PM EDT

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Unfortunately you're wrong. Opioid addiction crosses every race, class and sector of our society. You would die of you knew the number of doctors, executives, lawyers, and judges hooked.

I pray better less addictive pain killers are created in the near future so traditional drugs will only be given to the most severe/ terminal cases.

We will see.

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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:18:58 PM EDT

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The thing about those prescription drugs like oxy is that if you take them long enough (and really it doesn't take long) you WILL become physically addicted to them. There is no "I like the buzz or I don't", no "I don't have an addictive personality", you simply will without exception become physically addicted to it.

And your body will let you know it is not happy when you try to get off it. I know people that have taken oxy therapeutically after surgery and they had to ween themselves off it, one tried dropping them cold turkey and felt like dog shit, she realized she was going through withdrawals and had to resume taking them, splitting pills and lengthening time between doses until she could drop them completely. These were gals with absolutely no history of substance abuse.

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I've taken Vicodin and OxyContin regularly for 2-3 years, and decided one day that I really don't think I need it, so I just stopped taking it all together and took some Motrin every time I was hurting. Literally have zero dependence issues. Had a bottle of OxyContin 20 sitting in my medicine cabinet for years till one day i got rid of it.

Posted: 3/23/2017 10:26:01 PM EDT

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Got into work this evening - ruckus in the parking lot. My brother smashed open one of the employees car windows because she was in her running car, unfuckingconscious.

A woman in a HIJAB is there, all in black, helping out, turns out she's an EMT. No fucking pulse. Syringe in the car. She came to.

Never a dull fucking moment in the restaurant biz. Never.

Posted: 3/23/2017 10:37:45 PM EDT

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Instead of giving Narcan up the nose I say give everyone this tool: In the extreme case where a vein can’t be found and a person is in dire need of an immediate reversal of heroin’s effects, emergency crews utilize a small cordless power drill. They drill into their patient, either in the arm or the leg, directly into a bone. Then the drill is withdrawn, and a hollow needle is left for an IV to be placed into.

I got an old big ass corded 1/2 drill. Which size bit do I use?

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You are way out there.

Posted: 3/24/2017 5:15:28 AM EDT

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Please educate me

Posted: 3/24/2017 6:25:21 AM EDT

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No opioid problem in my country, plenty of drug use but.

You get the good pain relief in hospital, but very little is prescribed for home use. Cancer and the dying aside, good luck getting a script. And when they do they have to ring some number and record the details.

Posted: 3/24/2017 7:19:15 AM EDT

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I can't say more than, "Thank you".

I'm a tough, brutal, and ruthless S.o.B. Yet, things like that break me down. They hurt me, they upset me, and they enrage me.

Combat medic, combat engineer, recon team lead, and light infantry officer

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Are these all MOSs you held?

Posted: 3/24/2017 7:27:48 AM EDT

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It is everywhere that Liberals/Democrats infest.

It's a Liberal/Progressive/Democrat/gun control Socialist thing.

Posted: 3/24/2017 7:34:34 AM EDT

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The 'opiate crisis' has turned my heart dark, and I am now an official member of 'dark heart island.'

I don't care anymore. I don't care if people OD. I wouldn't care if it were a family member. I may not even call 911 if I saw someone OD'ing. I'd probably stand over their dead body and laugh, like Walter White.

I would have zero problem stepping over the dead bodies of junkies in the gutter. None.

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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:41:41 AM EDT

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Our Sheriffs office runs 1200-1400 calls for service a week. We are a county of just under 100,000 people and considered a "bedroom community" of DC.

Over 75% of the calls that make the weekly "police blotter" in the local papers and on the Sheriffs office Facebook feed are opiate related.

Posted: 3/24/2017 7:56:10 AM EDT

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Exactly, +1.

You know what I find funny? All of these older 'war on drugs' boomers are about to become part of the WoD themselves without even ever knowing it.

Getting old is painful -- but guess what? We'll cut the anti-drug/what-if-we-could-save-a-single-life boomer types a prescription for some 800mg Advils because everything else is on lockdown; and fuck you, have a nice day.

There are about to be a bunch of old, miserable people that are in constant pain in society that can't get their happy pills because of some fucking junkie doper and the idiot liberal politicians who restrict everything in some bullshit attempt to 'save' them.

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Well said.

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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:00:44 AM EDT

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Dealing with it in my household now.

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My ex was hooked on Vicodin for 10 year or so. It's miserable and she got off them because she had strong will. She still joneses for Vics.

I should have ejected because it killed whatever love there is in you. My daughter lived through it and basically has not relationship with her mom now. My son was too young to see the effects.

Good luck.

TC

Posted: 3/24/2017 8:29:44 AM EDT

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heroin should be legal. (and everything else)

if it was legal, people wouldnt commit crimes to get their fix.

if it was legal, it would put the cartels out of the main source of income.

if it was legal their would be no war on drugs that drains freedoms every day

if it was legal less folks would die because the doses would be known.

if it was legal, most likely the number of folks using it would be about the same.

in all my years i found one thing to be true. folks who wanna use drugs use drugs. the only question is how they get them and what they do to get them.

no one likes a drunk, no one likes a addict but making it legal wouldnt change the numbers of these folks but it would do less damage to society as a whole.

folks often say, let darwin decide. i agree. actually darwin decides every day, but some people think you can changes the laws of darwin. but you cant.

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The above in red is wrong as fuck. Do you know why addicts steal shit? To get money for their addiction. Making it legal is not going to magically give them money to seek a legal addiction. Some of your other statements are just as retarded.

I arrest quite a few addicts who steal to support their habit. I would bet that 90% of my departments shoplifting arrests are heroin addicts.

Posted: 3/24/2017 8:30:22 AM EDT

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Because many physicians, including myself, are for legalizing pot. Although I do not buy all of the miracle claims and pseudo-science of the medical marijuana crowd, I think it is no more harmful than alcohol and should be treated as such.

Because every physician knows that "FDA approved" does not mean "100% safe." In fact, there are FDA approved drugs that are very "unsafe" and their use must be considered with heavy risks in mind and that risk/benefit ratio must be weighed heavily. That very premise in the meme shows it was written by a clueless layman.

Because not a single physician thinks Oxycontin is "100% safe." No physician thinks any drug is "100% safe." ALL physicians know that drugs have risk/benefit ratios that must be tailored to the individual case. Again, this part of the meme shows that it was written by an ignorant layman with an agenda who hasn't a clue..

Posted: 3/24/2017 8:33:47 AM EDT

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The above in red is wrong as fuck. Do you know why addicts steal shit? To get money for their addiction. Making it legal is not going to magically give them money to seek a legal addiction. Some of your other statements are just as retarded.

I arrest quite a few addicts who steal to support their habit. I would bet that 90% of my departments shoplifting arrests are heroin addicts.

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I think his point is that the illegality of the drug is what makes it so expensive that people have to steal to get their fix. How much stealing would go on if heroin was as cheap as baking powder? Certainly some would as, at some point, the addict makes zero income, however, if the five bucks he got panhandling that morning keeps him high for a week, will he really need to break into your house to steal the silverware?

Posted: 3/24/2017 10:01:23 AM EDT

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It is so bad and common here that we just took a call of OD in a supermarket parking lot. Turned out to be a guy looking down at his phone reading something. The store employees first reaction to seeing someone seated in a car looking down was that they had OD'd.

Bear in mind that we are in an area that when we get a call of shooting, my FIRST thought is that someone is target shooting or hunting and it's a nothing call.

Posted: 3/24/2017 11:33:02 AM EDT

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E TN is the epicenter...fact.

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Not until we take away narcan

Posted: 3/24/2017 11:37:46 AM EDT

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LOl
I agree with him, and am happy as a clam..keep saving fucksticks so they can drain more resources? Fuck that

Posted: 3/24/2017 11:41:02 AM EDT

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Well shit, I guess you solved the problem. We redefine it and it's not a problem. We just tell those addicts to buck up and they fly straight, right? Or is there more to it?

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How about they make their choice, they can figure it out or die trying?
Repeatedly "saving" these morons is a drain on all taxpayers. In and out of jail court ordered "programs" so they can make new drug connections/ friends instead of prison time
Seems like his idea would work better than this current mess

Posted: 3/24/2017 12:03:36 PM EDT

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I think his point is that the illegality of the drug is what makes it so expensive that people have to steal to get their fix. How much stealing would go on if heroin was as cheap as baking powder? Certainly some would as, at some point, the addict makes zero income, however, if the five bucks he got panhandling that morning keeps him high for a week, will he really need to break into your house to steal the silverware?

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I would bet good money that if the .gov gets involved in making it legal the price will be higher than it is now. Gotta tax it especially in nearby Cuyahoga County where there is a "sin tax" on booze and cigarettes. It is cheap right now on the streets which has led to it's prolific use.

Posted: 3/24/2017 1:37:51 PM EDT

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My ex was hooked on Vicodin for 10 year or so. It's miserable and she got off them because she had strong will. She still joneses for Vics.

I should have ejected because it killed whatever love there is in you. My daughter lived through it and basically has not relationship with her mom now. My son was too young to see the effects.

Good luck.

TC

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Dealing with it in my household now.

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My ex was hooked on Vicodin for 10 year or so. It's miserable and she got off them because she had strong will. She still joneses for Vics.

I should have ejected because it killed whatever love there is in you. My daughter lived through it and basically has not relationship with her mom now. My son was too young to see the effects.

Good luck.

TC

I still dream about them. I wake up in a panic so happy it was just a dream.

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