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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:47:56 PM EDT
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Sorry to say,but what Nunes came out and said is really nothing new-its old news.Its basically that there were intercepts involving Russian targets,which picked up contact with members of Trump and team.We already knew this-really not a vindication of Trump's assertion that "Obama tapped my wires".Time will tell how this will play out,but the fact that Comey has acknowledged a counter intel investigation into Trump et al,may not bode well.There will be a cloud over the Trump administration until it is resolved.problems with the truth and credibility. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:48:34 PM EDT
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The point is, Trump said he was being surveilled, and everyone called him a liar. Turns out he was being surveilled. Kind of a big story since the press and the lefties and anti-Trumpers made it one... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What I find odd about this latest OMGFFGGBBQDKTrump thing, is the amount of posters who think this is something new and is only about Trump It is and has been going on for a long time. Treating it as a personal "thing" against Trump does nothing to stop the problem Turns out he was being surveilled. Kind of a big story since the press and the lefties and anti-Trumpers made it one... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:50:27 PM EDT
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Um, did you not hear the part when asked about it, and he said emphatically that it DID NOT INVOLVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry to say,but what Nunes came out and said is really nothing new-its old news.Its basically that there were intercepts involving Russian targets,which picked up contact with members of Trump and team.We already knew this-really not a vindication of Trump's assertion that "Obama tapped my wires".Time will tell how this will play out,but the fact that Comey has acknowledged a counter intel investigation into Trump et al,may not bode well.There will be a cloud over the Trump administration until it is resolved.problems with the truth and credibility. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:53:17 PM EDT
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Which means it was likely communications between them and another country that we monitor. Wait, you just don't care. Got it, carry on |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:55:31 PM EDT
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The point is, Trump said he was being surveilled, and everyone called him a liar. Turns out he was being surveilled. Kind of a big story since the press and the lefties and anti-Trumpers made it one... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What I find odd about this latest OMGFFGGBBQDKTrump thing, is the amount of posters who think this is something new and is only about Trump It is and has been going on for a long time. Treating it as a personal "thing" against Trump does nothing to stop the problem Turns out he was being surveilled. Kind of a big story since the press and the lefties and anti-Trumpers made it one... Hillary's email server: Personal email only>might have been some work related emails> didn't understand the markings on the headers in the documents> maybe some top clearance stuff but no rules prohibited it> Comey makes a rule change Information overload and changing the narrative equals eventually noone gives a fuck about anybody surveilling Trump because Patriarchy |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:56:19 PM EDT
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What's the new zip code for the goal posts? If we are going to insist on using analogies let's do everyone a favor and make sure they are applicable. eta. wrong word. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:56:54 PM EDT
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I though Schiff had? After complaining that Nunes took whatever it was directly to Trump instead of to the committee. Of course, Cummings is trying to claim Nunes should be sanctioned for interfering with investigations of Trump's Russian ties... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you guys noticed that NO ONE has called Nunes a liar? Kinda like the Wikileaks objections having NOTHING to do with the accuracy of the leaks. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:58:30 PM EDT
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. He didn't mean Obama himself actually did it, nor did he mean there were actual wires that were tapped... That the most narcissistic, self absorbed asshole commie cock sucker ever to sit in the oval office would not have surveilled Trump is laughable... All it would take is a word to the right person, and it was done... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:59:39 PM EDT
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Yeah it's like the Dems brought in a portapotty vacuum truck and they are spraying shit everywhere... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you guys noticed that NO ONE has called Nunes a liar? Kinda like the Wikileaks objections having NOTHING to do with the accuracy of the leaks. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:00:01 PM EDT
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Klayman/Montgomery better hope they dont end up arkancided - look at the letter FreedomWatch just sent to Nunez. guess well see on the 28th for the 2nd hearing
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:00:20 PM EDT
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So Obama's EO just before leaving office enabling the sharing of data was just a coincidence. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:02:01 PM EDT
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:03:48 PM EDT
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Which means it was likely communications between them and another country that we monitor. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:04:42 PM EDT
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Whatever you say Capt. Obtuse....like anyone who doesn't have an agenda, and at least half a brain doesn't know what he meant... He didn't mean Obama himself actually did it, nor did he mean there were actual wires that were tapped... That the most narcissistic, self absorbed asshole commie cock sucker ever to sit in the oval office would not have surveilled Trump is laughable... All it would take is a word to the right person, and it was done... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. He didn't mean Obama himself actually did it, nor did he mean there were actual wires that were tapped... That the most narcissistic, self absorbed asshole commie cock sucker ever to sit in the oval office would not have surveilled Trump is laughable... All it would take is a word to the right person, and it was done... They're on the run now and all they have to cling to is semantics. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:05:18 PM EDT
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How about we instead stop pretending that eavesdropping only is "intended" to capture one side of the conversation? The truth is that all an agency would have to do to get surveillance on a person they don't want to list on a warrant, and this case may be an example, is to list the closest associates of that person and then deny that the information gleaned about their real target was "intentional". When you plan to listen to a conversation, particularly when you know it will involve a supposedly non-targeted person, you know full well what you will get. eta. wrong word. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:06:03 PM EDT
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Does anyone think that Nunes press conference will have any effect on Comey and the FBI counter intel investigation?That is really the bottom line.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:07:05 PM EDT
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When you are eavesdropping on a foreign person that changes the calculus a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about we instead stop pretending that eavesdropping only is "intended" to capture one side of the conversation? The truth is that all an agency would have to do to get surveillance on a person they don't want to list on a warrant, and this case may be an example, is to list the closest associates of that person and then deny that the information gleaned about their real target was "intentional". When you plan to listen to a conversation, particularly when you know it will involve a supposedly non-targeted person, you know full well what you will get. eta. wrong word. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:07:13 PM EDT
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Why doesnt/didnt Trump cancel that on day one?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Obama's EO just before leaving office enabling the sharing of data was just a coincidence. Maybe it's now being used as a trap to help drain the swamp. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:08:01 PM EDT
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The point is, Trump said he was being surveilled, and everyone called him a liar. Turns out he was being surveilled. Kind of a big story since the press and the lefties and anti-Trumpers made it one... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What I find odd about this latest OMGFFGGBBQDKTrump thing, is the amount of posters who think this is something new and is only about Trump It is and has been going on for a long time. Treating it as a personal "thing" against Trump does nothing to stop the problem Turns out he was being surveilled. Kind of a big story since the press and the lefties and anti-Trumpers made it one... This NT did not call Trump a liar about this particular scandal I would have been more surprised if it turned out he wasn't being watched and "they" were not trying to use everything possible to bring him down |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:09:31 PM EDT
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. But you're right. Obama did not physically twist copper. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:18:01 PM EDT
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Which means it was likely communications between them and another country that we monitor. Sounds good, right? Because if you agree with this NO ONE will come to your aid as you are marched off to prison for...well, whatever the fuck the gov wants to invent you did. G'luck with that. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:24:21 PM EDT
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. It's pretty much a known fact that Trump was being electronically watched by those under control of the Halfrican administration and at this point it's not really a question of if it happened but why and who unmasked those under surveillance. Other than for you and the MSM it isn't even a issue. Now if the only "proof" you will accept is the Halfrican sitting across from Trump Tower in a Acme van with a head-set on and a Kool dangling from his lips then nah, that's not going to happen. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:28:37 PM EDT
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No it won't. Already heard local radio guy downplaying it. "They weren't wiretapping Trump. They were wiretapping people that Trump was talking to. No big deal. Move along." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this pans out it should absolutely shut down the Dems and Mainstream Media. ETA: good use of breaking. Hope there's concrete evidence. Trump and Co. haven't hardly missed a beat, so I'm letting my bet ride that they have it. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:30:36 PM EDT
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It's a baby pubic louse (AKA Crab) among other things.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's 'NiT'? Edit; Or an NiT? 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:33:40 PM EDT
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What would you like 'a' NiT... To be?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's 'NiT'? Edit; Or an NiT? . To be?
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:36:20 PM EDT
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a bunch of people are trying to say "so what, trump people got surveillance and their conversations were spread around as part of 'incidental' collection". the problem is, under FISA, "incidental" collection of data is permitted, but, once the data of a communication is deemed non relevant, the investigator analysing the data, is suppose to stop right there, and drop it. no written transcript or report of material identified as "incidental" communications is suppose to exist, otherwise, that is considered an invasion of privacy. again - no transcript or report of "incidental" communications should ever be generated, or exist so, of course nunes should be upset about the existance of the reports that he read. It cleared things up for me. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:36:51 PM EDT
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Whatever you say Capt. Obtuse....like anyone who doesn't have an agenda, and at least half a brain doesn't know what he meant... He didn't mean Obama himself actually did it, nor did he mean there were actual wires that were tapped... That the most narcissistic, self absorbed asshole commie cock sucker ever to sit in the oval office would not have surveilled Trump is laughable... All it would take is a word to the right person, and it was done... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. He didn't mean Obama himself actually did it, nor did he mean there were actual wires that were tapped... That the most narcissistic, self absorbed asshole commie cock sucker ever to sit in the oval office would not have surveilled Trump is laughable... All it would take is a word to the right person, and it was done... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:38:44 PM EDT
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He's not obtuse...he's still butthurt that his Creepy Canadian Cruzader didn't get the nom and has hated the world ever since. A true bitter clinger. 
But, fuck, I am a realist, and as soon as Trump won the Primary, I was all in for Trump...so it has to be more than simple Cruz bottery...
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:45:38 PM EDT
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Hey, I voted for Cruz in our Primary, and he won Texas....
But, fuck, I am a realist, and as soon as Trump won the Primary, I was all in for Trump...so it has to be more than simple Cruz bottery... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's not obtuse...he's still butthurt that his Creepy Canadian Cruzader didn't get the nom and has hated the world ever since. A true bitter clinger.
But, fuck, I am a realist, and as soon as Trump won the Primary, I was all in for Trump...so it has to be more than simple Cruz bottery... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:47:57 PM EDT
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Well his avatar identifies him as being from Russia, so... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's not obtuse...he's still butthurt that his Creepy Canadian Cruzader didn't get the nom and has hated the world ever since. A true bitter clinger.
But, fuck, I am a realist, and as soon as Trump won the Primary, I was all in for Trump...so it has to be more than simple Cruz bottery... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:49:16 PM EDT
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They're not about ever being right; they're about being incessant and relentless with their "message". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the #nevertrumpers have been correct so much lately, i should probably listen to them. Since, obviously, they know alot more than all of us.  It's the same shit the media is doing. Screw the facts, people don't feel good about it, opinions over reality. Give the illusion that things are out of control and people will believe they are, even when all available evidence is to the contrary. Psyops. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:53:02 PM EDT
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You know... Seeing that all presidents and their cabinets speak to foreign officials...Then it would be common practice for ALL of them have incidental collection... So the only real problem here is the release of a name of someone talking to foreign officials... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:59:17 PM EDT
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The classified transcripts ceased being incidental collection the instant that Flynn's name was not removed. At that exact moment, they became illegal surveillance. This is the law, period. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:00:57 PM EDT
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which has no bearing on the issue. Unmasking Flynn is illegal and makes him the subject of illegal surveillance. This is the crux of the matter. it is tangental to the problem that the Russians were being legally monitored. The crime happened when Flynn was unmasked. This is a a serious felony. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's true. But Occam's Razor would hold the the Russian was a target. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:02:37 PM EDT
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I agree, and that's a good point. They will continue to argue "incidental", however, because it's the hook they have. 1. That any collection of Trump or associates is inherently illegal. 2. The release of information regarding Flynn's contact with foreign agents. Incidental collection and intentional release = bad. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:02:53 PM EDT
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apologists gonna apologist.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:06:46 PM EDT
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:24:03 PM EDT
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Distinction without a difference. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:31:13 PM EDT
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Supposedly Freedom Watch has in its possession 47 hard drives and millions of pages of information that American spy agencies were engaged in years of systematic illegal surveillance of thousands of prominent Americans including Supreme and Federal Court justices, politicians and prominent Americans including President Trump. They presented a portion of this information to the President and Speaker of the House yesterday. If this is true, Washington D.C. will be shaken to its core. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Distinction without a difference. If true (I have no doubt it is), /pol/ will get it's collective panties wet and DC won't even twitch |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:03:36 PM EDT
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From The Hill: Pelosi says "Nunes is a stooge of the president".
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/325449-pelosi-intel-chairman-a-stooge-of-the-president I always remember Dennis Miller's comment about Pelosi in one of his concerts (at DC, I think). "She's crazy, bat shit crazy! She sleeps upside down"! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:33:03 PM EDT
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:36:02 PM EDT
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For the folks that cling to the exact wording of Trumps tweet, the only thing that will satisfy their standard of proof is a video of Obama climbing the pole on front of Trump tower and hooking up alligator clips. They're on the run now and all they have to cling to is semantics. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:38:21 PM EDT
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Supposedly Freedom Watch has in its possession 47 hard drives and millions of pages of information that American spy agencies were engaged in years of systematic illegal surveillance of thousands of prominent Americans including Supreme and Federal Court justices, politicians and prominent Americans including President Trump. They presented a portion of this information to the President and Speaker of the House yesterday. If this is true, Washington D.C. will be shaken to its core. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:58:22 PM EDT
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which has no bearing on the issue. Unmasking Flynn is illegal and makes him the subject of illegal surveillance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's true. But Occam's Razor would hold the the Russian was a target. This is the crux of the matter. it is tangental to the problem that the Russians were being legally monitored. The crime happened when Flynn was unmasked. This is a a serious felony. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:59:23 PM EDT
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Then you might be doing it wrong... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Physically wiretapped? No. It's a bitch physically wiretapping a cell phone. People tend to notice the wire. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 4:09:27 PM EDT
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who is flabbergasted by the willful ignorance you continue to exhibit. Do I read your posts to mean that you are 100% onboard with the behavior of our IC over the last 6 months? If so, I'm onboard with the agreement that Trump and Bannon are now granted the same unrestricted powers to target, gather, disseminate, and ultimately eliminate each and every single person inside and outside of America that disagree with even the most asinine of their opinions. Sounds good, right? Because if you agree with this NO ONE will come to your aid as you are marched off to prison for...well, whatever the fuck the gov wants to invent you did. G'luck with that. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 4:39:24 PM EDT
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The HILLERY ENABLERS...
Won't quit... 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 4:39:49 PM EDT
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If you can hook a wire to somebody's cell phone without them noticing, you're a stealthy sumbitch. Trivial... Not needed to do at the phone, although, alone a minute or less WITH the phone is sufficient... Many, many, options...
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:04:41 PM EDT
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It's... Trivial... Not needed to do at the phone, although, alone a minute or less WITH the phone is sufficient... Many, many, options... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can hook a wire to somebody's cell phone without them noticing, you're a stealthy sumbitch. Trivial... Not needed to do at the phone, although, alone a minute or less WITH the phone is sufficient... Many, many, options... If it doesn't leave a wire running out of it connected to a monitoring device of some sort, it's not a physical wiretap. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:13:13 PM EDT
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Trump's very minor "mistake" was using the words "wire-tapped" instead of surveillance. It's a old term that has no little real meaning today. It's pretty much a known fact that Trump was being electronically watched by those under control of the Halfrican administration and at this point it's not really a question of if it happened but why and who unmasked those under surveillance. Other than for you and the MSM it isn't even a issue. Now if the only "proof" you will accept is the Halfrican sitting across from Trump Tower in a Acme van with a head-set on and a Kool dangling from his lips then nah, that's not going to happen. https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/yes_we_scan_deal_with_it_wide.jpeg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump specifically said that Obama had him tapped. There is still no evidence of that even with this latest statement from Nunes. It's pretty much a known fact that Trump was being electronically watched by those under control of the Halfrican administration and at this point it's not really a question of if it happened but why and who unmasked those under surveillance. Other than for you and the MSM it isn't even a issue. Now if the only "proof" you will accept is the Halfrican sitting across from Trump Tower in a Acme van with a head-set on and a Kool dangling from his lips then nah, that's not going to happen. https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/yes_we_scan_deal_with_it_wide.jpeg http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5368959214001/?#sp=show-clips |
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