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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:02:01 PM EDT
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Our defacto official language is English only the apologists for illegal aliens parrot that stupid cliche'. Our constitution and our money are written in English. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:10:47 PM EDT
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Has anything begun to develop regarding possible ramifications of the guilty parties? Is the media accepting the new information from NUNES? 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:12:07 PM EDT
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Casual observation. Non-accusatory. To your other point, Obama's last minute change to the data sharing rules was a head scratcher. I doubt it works quite like some folks here believe but I'm not up to speed on the details. The key agencies we are talking about all had (and were required to have) their own minimization procedures which were in place under previous methods of requesting access to FISA collections. I don't see any reason why that would change under new guidance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes you have repeatedly said that. I don't deny that. To your other point, Obama's last minute change to the data sharing rules was a head scratcher. I doubt it works quite like some folks here believe but I'm not up to speed on the details. The key agencies we are talking about all had (and were required to have) their own minimization procedures which were in place under previous methods of requesting access to FISA collections. I don't see any reason why that would change under new guidance. My $0.02 |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:12:21 PM EDT
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isnt dressing up like a penguin the definitition of a furry? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:26:32 PM EDT
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Push for a law then. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:33:48 PM EDT
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The same minimization rules apply - they have now been pushed down to the data-consuming Agency to implement rather than NSA doing everything in-house. As for the timing - I'd wager that it simply had to do with optics: The conspiracy 'tards on both the right and the left would flip out so why not do it while you're walking out the door and there's no political "hit" to take. Doesn't mean that it's not still a good idea and a more efficient use of resources... My $0.02 |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:37:32 PM EDT
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Given that immediately after the new rule was implemented, a bunch of leakers illegally collected, stored, and then disclosed the secret squirrel stuff, I think it is fair to say it was a bad idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The same minimization rules apply - they have now been pushed down to the data-consuming Agency to implement rather than NSA doing everything in-house. As for the timing - I'd wager that it simply had to do with optics: The conspiracy 'tards on both the right and the left would flip out so why not do it while you're walking out the door and there's no political "hit" to take. Doesn't mean that it's not still a good idea and a more efficient use of resources... My $0.02 |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:42:12 PM EDT
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:44:29 PM EDT
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Hell no, the MSM is trying to burn Nunes down for breaching "protocol." |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:47:18 PM EDT
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Not entirely true. If Who = some random joe with no political ties. No one would give a shit. The crux of the issue is whether Who = persons with political ties, involved or looking to be involved in high offices of the government or not. And it looks like that is the issue here, a big one. Regardless of wherever that person/s fall on the political spectrum. Granted, shit happens when humans are involved and procedures fail or are side stepped. There are methods of corrective action. I understand that. But, you're asking us to believe that a government(not just an administration) that ran F&F, targeted citizens of a certain political bent with the IRS, all this done by humans in contravention to established rules, procedures, law; never once, has someone been directed or taken upon themselves to use capabilities in an improper manner, outside of publicly disclosed occurrences. I'm certain I've over simplified your position(actually guarantee it  ), but the best I can tell is, "It's unlikely this has happened in the manner described, and if it did, it will be handled." Basically, the people over there fucked up, but these people over here didn't.
We're supposed to believe, despite the IC's history of infiltrators, leakers, defectors, influence in foreign politics, that no one in the IC, would ever involve themselves in US domestic politics? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:47:53 PM EDT
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Hell no, the MSM is trying to burn Nunes down for breaching "protocol." Sadly, it is. To them. If it hurts a Democrat or their agenda. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:51:16 PM EDT
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You become a "target" after the fact, because your info was not minimized? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:54:26 PM EDT
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Hell no, the MSM is trying to burn Nunes down for breaching "protocol." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anything begun to develop regarding possible ramifications of the guilty parties? Is the media accepting the new information from NUNES? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:00:37 PM EDT
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Hell no, the MSM is trying to burn Nunes down for breaching "protocol." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anything begun to develop regarding possible ramifications of the guilty parties? Is the media accepting the new information from NUNES? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:05:06 PM EDT
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I'll just leave this here:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5368959214001/#sp=show-clips This is bigger than Watergate. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:09:28 PM EDT
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The question I asked was: Do you believe the government collects and stores all of your phone calls and emails? At this point, why shouldn't I think so? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:12:23 PM EDT
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:14:56 PM EDT
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I'll just leave this here: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5368959214001/#sp=show-clips This is bigger than Watergate. Best election EVAR!! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 7:41:12 PM EDT
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You sure weren't doing that a few days ago! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:00:27 PM EDT
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I'll just leave this here: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5368959214001/#sp=show-clips This is bigger than Watergate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'll just leave this here: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5368959214001/#sp=show-clips This is bigger than Watergate. Thangs are coming out all over the place. I haven't gone completely all over this story since gotta run. I'll leave this here too, and an excerpt of it. http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2017/03/22/bombshell-trump-surveillance-data-captured-due-to-obama-spying-on-israel-not-russia/ Israel has escalated its already furious war with the outgoing US administration, claiming that it has “rather hard” evidence that Barack Obama was behind a critical UN security council resolution criticising Israeli settlement building, and threatening to hand over the material to Donald Trump. ...
The latest comments come a day after the US ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, was summoned by Netanyahu to explain why the US did not veto the vote and instead abstained. The claims have emerged in interviews given by close Netanyahu allies to US media outlets on Monday after the Obama administration denied in categorical terms the claims originally made by Netanyahu himself. However, speaking to Fox News on Sunday, David Keyes – a Netanyahu spokesman – said Arab sources, among others, had informed Jerusalem of Obama’s alleged involvement in advancing the resolution. “We have rather iron-clad information from sources in both the Arab world and internationally that this was a deliberate push by the United States and in fact they helped create the resolution in the first place,” Keyes said. Doubling down on the claim a few hours later the controversial Israeli ambassador to Washington, Ron Dermer, went even further suggesting it had gathered evidence that it would present to the incoming Trump administration. ... This means that Obama’s spying program on Israel was to guarantee Obama’s policies succeeded, NOT to press for peace in the region or help our ally defend itself against threats from neighboring nations like Iran which is still the largest sponsor of terrorism in the region. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:08:00 PM EDT
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And shit.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:09:56 PM EDT
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This is what is happening to the neverTrumpers http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w574/cravertown/darth-vader-fantasy-flight-games-218646-790x350_zpsqb2iszgq.jpg Admit if you fools. Trump has owned your punk asses since he announced he was running. Crying in your pillow every night give us more power  |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:13:30 PM EDT
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The same minimization rules apply - they have now been pushed down to the data-consuming Agency to implement rather than NSA doing everything in-house. As for the timing - I'd wager that it simply had to do with optics: The conspiracy 'tards on both the right and the left would flip out so why not do it while you're walking out the door and there's no political "hit" to take. Doesn't mean that it's not still a good idea and a more efficient use of resources... My $0.02 |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:26:27 PM EDT
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Trump was probably completely full of shit in his tweets based on the fisa articles he was talking about but he accidentally uncovered real spying. He's more Mister Magoo than Darth Vader but I wouldn't play poker with him Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is what is happening to the neverTrumpers http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w574/cravertown/darth-vader-fantasy-flight-games-218646-790x350_zpsqb2iszgq.jpg Admit if you fools. Trump has owned your punk asses since he announced he was running. Crying in your pillow every night give us more power  Either admit that you've been wrong about him, or just fall silent on the issue.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:41:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:20:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:49:43 PM EDT
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:52:40 PM EDT
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Trump was probably completely full of shit in his tweets based on the fisa articles he was talking about but he accidentally uncovered real spying. He's more Mister Magoo than Darth Vader but I wouldn't play poker with him You should just be quiet. Honestly for a lawyer you don't know shit. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:53:44 PM EDT
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I smell a grand jury coming.
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Posted: 3/24/2017 1:41:52 AM EDT
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Trump was probably completely full of shit in his tweets based on the fisa articles he was talking about but he accidentally uncovered real spying. He's more Mister Magoo than Darth Vader but I wouldn't play poker with him |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 6:00:19 AM EDT
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LOL 
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Posted: 3/24/2017 6:19:33 AM EDT
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. Pretty sure I told you this whole russian thing would turn out to be political posturing bullshit to cover up misdeeds by BHO and co. Pretty sure I told you the Russian narrative was utter horse shit. This here is just the tip bucko. lol |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 6:32:17 AM EDT
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Trump was probably completely full of shit in his tweets based on the fisa articles he was talking about but he accidentally uncovered real spying. He's more Mister Magoo than Darth Vader but I wouldn't play poker with him I mean surely you remember that the director of the NSA went to visit Trump at his hotel on November 17th just a week after the election...You honestly don't think he might have some kind of a fair idea of what was happening with data he was responsible for? |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 6:44:54 AM EDT
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You sure weren't doing that a few days ago! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 6:46:47 AM EDT
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I think Loretta Lynch will be the one taking the fall for this.
When I saw that bizarre video she made a few weeks ago my spidey senses told me she had just got the word she was the sacrificial lamb.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:04:34 AM EDT
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I think Loretta Lynch will be the one taking the fall for this. When I saw that bizarre video she made a few weeks ago my spidey senses told me she had just got the word she was the sacrificial lamb.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4c-Nwm1e8M |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:33:55 AM EDT
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Trump was probably completely full of shit in his tweets based on the fisa articles he was talking about but he accidentally uncovered real spying. He's more Mister Magoo than Darth Vader but I wouldn't play poker with him |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:34:05 AM EDT
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Drilled a third hole on my iPad apparently
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:45:25 AM EDT
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Correlation does not imply causation. I'll withhold judgement until there's more information available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The same minimization rules apply - they have now been pushed down to the data-consuming Agency to implement rather than NSA doing everything in-house. As for the timing - I'd wager that it simply had to do with optics: The conspiracy 'tards on both the right and the left would flip out so why not do it while you're walking out the door and there's no political "hit" to take. Doesn't mean that it's not still a good idea and a more efficient use of resources... My $0.02 |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:53:18 AM EDT
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At what point do Government agencies lie to you enough that it becomes acceptable to simply dismiss everything they say?
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:54:53 AM EDT
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At what point do Government agencies lie to you enough that it becomes acceptable to simply dismiss everything they say? |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:02:01 AM EDT
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Breaking protocol was his life insurance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:18:34 AM EDT
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Maybe not enough for criminal prosecution, but it is enough to feed Obama's legacy and the Dem's midterm prospects to the pigs. Some posters have talked themselves into thinking someone's going to jail. But apart from the leaking of names, that is rarely prosecuted, everything else appears legal. Nunes said it himself. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:22:22 AM EDT
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That's key. Some posters have talked themselves into thinking someone's going to jail. But apart from the leaking of names, that is rarely prosecuted, everything else appears legal. Nunes said it himself. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:23:56 AM EDT
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lol |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:26:15 AM EDT
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Care to add something or not? 
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Posted: 3/24/2017 9:11:17 AM EDT
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Trump was probably completely full of shit in his tweets based on the fisa articles he was talking about but he accidentally uncovered real spying. He's more Mister Magoo than Darth Vader but I wouldn't play poker with him |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 9:19:01 AM EDT
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That's key. Some posters have talked themselves into thinking someone's going to jail. But apart from the leaking of names, that is rarely prosecuted, everything else appears legal. Nunes said it himself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe not enough for criminal prosecution, but it is enough to feed Obama's legacy and the Dem's midterm prospects to the pigs. Some posters have talked themselves into thinking someone's going to jail. But apart from the leaking of names, that is rarely prosecuted, everything else appears legal. Nunes said it himself. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 9:23:37 AM EDT
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Care to add something or not? Trump wasn't the target It wasn't illegal Part of it was illegal Well I doubt anyone's going to go to jail over it. ---This is where we are at currently? |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 9:28:25 AM EDT
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So to be clear... Trump wasn't the target It wasn't illegal Part of it was illegal Well I doubt anyone's going to go to jail over it. ---This is where we are at currently?
Any predictions on what they will say after someone goes to jail? |
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