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Posted: 2/23/2017 4:27:51 PM EDT
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It's not just to disrupt his plan. If he wants to take you someplace different, that means he's unwilling, or at least uncomfortable doing to you what he has planned, right where you're at. If they want to kill you, they can kill you right there. There are fates worse than simple killing. Make noise, create a scene, but whatever you do, do NOT go with them, no matter what. There is always a reason why they want you away from that location, and none of it is any good for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A brave little girl. 
Audio I heard was of a man ordering them down a hill. Not to derail the thread but NEVER allow yourself to be taken to a secondary location. Ingrain this in your wives and kids heads. This seems like very good advice. Anything you can do to disrupt the bad guys plan is probably a good idea. I bet this guy is holed up somewhere hiding like a rat. We should bring burning at the stake back for special circumstances such as this. It's not just to disrupt his plan. If he wants to take you someplace different, that means he's unwilling, or at least uncomfortable doing to you what he has planned, right where you're at. If they want to kill you, they can kill you right there. There are fates worse than simple killing. Make noise, create a scene, but whatever you do, do NOT go with them, no matter what. There is always a reason why they want you away from that location, and none of it is any good for you. EXACTLY Thank you for expounding on that. The thought that "if I do what he wants maybe he won't hurt me" plays into the urge to cooperate and that's a false sense of security. Either run or stand and fight right there. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:19:55 PM EDT
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Post offense behavior-- this slime bucket will likely be stressed and if he drinks, will be drinking even more than usual due to fearing he will be caught and relishing-reliving the kill. He will be following the news religiously and will know more about the case than the average joe due to his fear of capture. He looks like an older person, patient and methodical and maybe he is a hunter and lives, works or grew up in the area. He strikes me as very organized based on his outfit and I think he may have spotted the girls before and was laying in wait for them. He was dressed in his "killing" outfit. When he got close enough to the girls, he drew his weapon or weapons.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:23:39 PM EDT
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I can't imagine what the families are going through.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:43:14 PM EDT
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Heard on the radio this morning. Very sad. OP - if there is not a post in the Indiana hometown forum, make one. Good call. I posted in hometown. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:45:54 PM EDT
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Post offense behavior-- this slime bucket will likely be stressed and if he drinks, will be drinking even more than usual due to fearing he will be caught and relishing-reliving the kill. He will be following the news religiously and will know more about the case than the average joe due to his fear of capture. He looks like an older person, patient and methodical and maybe he is a hunter and lives, works or grew up in the area. He strikes me as very organized based on his outfit and I think he may have spotted the girls before and was laying in wait for them. He was dressed in his "killing" outfit. When he got close enough to the girls, he drew his weapon or weapons. What specifically about the outfit says "organized" to you? I certainly think you could be right with the rest of your assessment. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:46:31 PM EDT
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As a father, there is no institution created by man that could stop my vengeance. +1 
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:55:06 PM EDT
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Absolutely horrible. This is the stuff of nightmares.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 8:07:37 PM EDT
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What specifically about the outfit says "organized" to you? I certainly think you could be right with the rest of your assessment. Looking at how he was dressed made it difficult to see his face clearly. He also seemed dressed appropriately for the terrain and for protection against the elements. He could stay in those woods for a while as he waited for the girls or the right victims. His heavy clothing would give him the ability to conceal a firearm and even edged weapons. From the recording he sounds cool, calm and collected and he is directing the girls to go to lower ground where they will be out of the view of witnesses so he can do his evil deeds in peace. He had a premeditated plan and it worked sadly. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 9:44:23 PM EDT
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Looking at how he was dressed made it difficult to see his face clearly. He also seemed dressed appropriately for the terrain and for protection against the elements. He could stay in those woods for a while as he waited for the girls or the right victims. His heavy clothing would give him the ability to conceal a firearm and even edged weapons. From the recording he sounds cool, calm and collected and he is directing the girls to go to lower ground where they will be out of the view of witnesses so he can do his evil deeds in peace. He had a premeditated plan and it worked sadly. He defiantly sounds calm on the audio recording. With all of the tips apparently coming in, one would hope this will be over soon. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 3:40:33 AM EDT
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He defiantly sounds calm on the audio recording. With all of the tips apparently coming in, one would hope this will be over soon. Yeah, and maybe older too. I hope the police can get that one photo enhanced so that a composite can be made. If the slimebucket smokes, he might have left behind a bunch of cigarette butts when he was roaming those woods. Maybe he left his saliva on them for a DNA test. Maybe it isnt a good idea to publicize the fact that cameras will be placed on that trail, because it might scare this guy and keep him from returning to the crime scene. Sick ducks like this one love going back to the crime scene to relive the murders. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 4:15:17 AM EDT
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I remember reading years ago, that if you're taken to a secondary location, your chances of survival drop into the single digits. I am friends with a very beautiful lady that has an even more beautiful 21 year old daughter... the daughter is a smart, sweet girl, but kind of naive... her mom told her if she is ever confronted by someone trying to take her away, to resist in every way possible, even if it means they kill her... She doesn't want her daughter to suffer what would happen to her if they did get her to another spot. better to be dead right there... |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 4:21:44 AM EDT
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+1 on the 25 cent trial. I have no words.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:22:15 AM EDT
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I hope they are looking through all the surveillance video from all the convenience stores in a 20 mile radius. I would bet he stopped at one of them while wearing the clothes.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:51:13 AM EDT
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Friends I talked with in the area seem to think it's someone local.
Hope that fuckstain is in cuffs soon. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:32:59 AM EDT
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This is far more likely to have been a crime of opportunity than something planned in advance.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:47:50 AM EDT
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He needs a motorcycle helmet put on his head and beat to death with baseball bats.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:54:29 AM EDT
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As a father, there is no institution created by man that could stop my vengeance. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:55:12 AM EDT
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I'm just down the road between Lafayette and Rossville. This whole situation is unreal. I'm a new father and can't imagine what the parents are going through. But it makes me sick what these girls must have gone through. I listened to the audio today and it about brought me to tears. Somebody knows this guy. He deserves a .25 cent trial. I'm south side of Tippecanoe county and have a 4 year old daughter and this scares the hell out of me. I couldn't imagine this. The audio is unreal, gives me chills. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 9:14:48 AM EDT
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Hope whoever did this gets to leave this earth as painfully as possible And soon....but not quickly. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 12:12:23 PM EDT
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Knowing the source of it... the audio was chilling.
I understood the news reports to indicate that the police have the cell phone of one of the girls. There were some snapchat pictures that the girls uploaded before they were attacked. The guy is visible at the far end of the bridge in one of them. There is pure evil in this world. I don't understand how anyone could harm children like this. As a parent, I want this son of a bitch put down. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:24:27 PM EDT
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This is far more likely to have been a crime of opportunity than something planned in advance. My gut tells me this guy has been fantasizing about kidnapping, raping and murdering for a while. If he has a computer, it might have a ton of kiddie porn, bondage porn. Check the Sex Offender Registry for offenders living in that area. Talk to hikers, locals....who hangs out there, who hunts there is it is used by hunters? Another thing about these guys-- there is usually some sort of event that happens in their personal lives that "triggers" them from going from fantasy to actual murder. Job loss, divorce, etc. Some sort of stress. No, I doubt this was random. This was not an area with tons of victims running around, This crime took patience and laying in wait-- just like a hunter waiting for a deer to appear. From the pics it looks like at least part of those train tracks are elevated. Too high to jump from to escape without being injured? Possibly. All the killer had to do was to lay in wait on one side of those train tracks until both girls were trapped in the middle where they could not jump and escape or run away. He may have acted as if he were simply trudging through the woods until he was able to close the distance and show them his firearm etc to control them. If the girls had had some pepper spray, it might have meant all the difference between life and death. Carry it, practice taking it out of your pocket or purse without looking (the key is to keep it hidden so the attacker does not know you have it)....more important, practice placing your finger on the button and knowing how to avoid spraying yourself. Once the perp closes distance, its game on. Stay calm, if he has a gun or knife pretend to comply. Once he lets his guard down, spray the SOB and be ready if it has little effect. If he has glasses or shades on, aim for the nose and mouth. Run. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:41:01 PM EDT
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Read a report today that the police are requesting DNA testing results be expedited.
At least this seems to confirms that investigators think they can get some DNA. Does anyone know the typical lead time for DNA tests? |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:46:33 PM EDT
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Read a report today that the police are requesting DNA testing results be expedited. At least this seems to confirms that investigators think they can get some DNA. Does anyone know the typical lead time for DNA tests?
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:56:10 PM EDT
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DNA testing can be "done" in a matter of hours. The time consuming part is matching the DNA sequence with databases of offenders.
They are probably asking that the testing be performed over the weekend rather than waiting for Monday. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:14:58 AM EDT
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As a father, there is no institution created by man that could stop my vengeance. + another. I have nothing COC to add. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:27:02 AM EDT
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He needs a motorcycle helmet put on his head and beat to death with baseball bats. Slowly. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:30:49 AM EDT
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Read a report today that the police are requesting DNA testing results be expedited. At least this seems to confirms that investigators think they can get some DNA. Does anyone know the typical lead time for DNA tests? If they have any possible suspects (known samples) to which they compare it to it can be done pretty quickly. Just taking a DNA sample and running that through every database looking for a match can take a long time |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:35:14 AM EDT
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As a father, there is no institution created by man that could stop my vengeance. And few that would do much after the fact. We have jury trials for a reason. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:49:33 AM EDT
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You can find additional discussion on "Websleuths". It is a site for amatuer detectives. It covers missing and unidentifiable victims.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:59:09 AM EDT
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You can find additional discussion on "Websleuths". It is a site for amatuer detectives. It covers missing and unidentifiable victims. Chinook3 Maybe another angle to pursue would be the social media stuff. Did the girls post pics of their hikes on Facebook, etc. Maybe check their friends list and see who they were communicating with or who their Facebook friends and followers were. If the case goes cold.....work with Facebook to check their computer records to see if any of their Facebook friends suddenly unfriended them right after the incident. That might be their guy, And he might have been savvy enough to be posing as a teenager. We know he is a pedo, and pedos do stuff like that. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:10:29 AM EDT
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Maybe I'm reaching but...
This guy is a lifetime registered child sex offender released in 2014. He lives about a mile from where the girls' bodies were found. He looks to be about the right age and build as the suspect in the pics. He's even wearing a jacket/shirt with a brown hood in his mugshot, which is what the police think is covering his head in the pic under the blue jacket in the photo taken from the victim's phone.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:21:01 AM EDT
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Triburst, I am sure the authorities know about this guy but maybe you should send a tip into them anyway. Nearby sex offenders are always strong suspects in a case like this.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:27:28 AM EDT
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Triburst, I am sure the authorities know about this guy but maybe you should send a tip into them anyway. Nearby sex offenders are always strong suspects in a case like this. I know the suspect photo is of poor quality, but does not the wide face and mustache even look like a possible match? |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:28:15 AM EDT
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Maybe I'm reaching but... This guy is a lifetime registered child sex offender released in 2014. He lives about a mile from where the girls' bodies were found. He looks to be about the right age and build as the suspect in the pics. He's even wearing a jacket/shirt with a brown hood in his mugshot, which is what the police think is covering his head in the pic under the blue jacket in the photo taken from the victim's phone. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-153472.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-153473.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-153474.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-153476.JPG I'm 100% certain he's already been contacted by the police. Even looks like the suspect in the picture has a mustache. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:28:31 AM EDT
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Looks like he's wearing a billed cap not a brown hood. Also believe the cops went knocking on sex offender doors before the sun sat on day 1. Especially ones in the area.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:30:08 AM EDT
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Looks like he's wearing a billed cap not a brown hood. Also believe the cops went knocking on sex offender doors before the sun sat on day 1. Especially ones in the area. Yep, bet he got a face to face within 24 hours. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:31:23 AM EDT
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Would I be wrong in assuming they have DNA samples of most if not all offenders in the registries? Seems that would be a given.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:31:31 AM EDT
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I know the suspect photo is of poor quality, but does not the wide face and mustache even look like a possible match? I'm pegging the perp as an older guy who has been around the block. This crime required patience that an older person possesses. He was able to keep the teens disarmed enough to get close to them. His jacket looks very baggy because I think they are filled with the rope or whatever implements that he used to tie them up and keep them from shouting for help. Like the Zodiac killer, he possibly ordered one girl to tie up the other and then once both were helpless, he did what he did. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:34:17 AM EDT
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Looks like he's wearing a billed cap not a brown hood. Also believe the cops went knocking on sex offender doors before the sun sat on day 1. Especially ones in the area. There was a police stament that specifically mentioned a hood. Could be a cap and a hood. Looks to me like the bottom of a brown hoodie hanging below the blue jacket on his right side. Looks like the hand warmer pocket, even like he may be reaching into or pulling his hand out of it. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:39:43 AM EDT
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I think the terrifying thing is, these are the ones we hear about. How many happen that the parents are in on it or are missing or don't care...and thus go essentially under the radar. We had a case here in the area (Wichita ks) where a foster home child disappeared the "parents" didn't report it for YEARS out of fear of getting in trouble they thought he ran away...something along those lines....there are so many "unwanted"/"perfect victims" out there...and seems to be no shortage of deranged sick fuckers out there....wtf yet further evidence of the lack of anything resembling a god. What sort of God would allow shit like that to even be thought about let alone happen with disturbing regularity?
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:41:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:43:42 AM EDT
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There was a police stament that specifically mentioned a hood. Could be a cap and a hood. Looks to me like the bottom of a brown hoodie hanging below the blue jacket on his right side. Looks like the hand warmer pocket, even like he may be reaching into or pulling his hand out of it. Ah got it I thought it was one of those fanny packs that were hot in the 90s lol. Hard to make any definitive statements based on those pics. If they have better ones they should release them if that's all they have...I'd say it's open to just this kind of interpretation. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:50:14 AM EDT
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When they catch this guy, they ought to listen to the end of Carlin's Prophets of Doom for a appropriate punishment (Tied to a Stake, Ripped apart by Heated Metal Tongs (lasting no less than 1 hour, unconsciousness stops the clock), Skeleton caged and placed on a church steeple, where it hangs several hundred years later.).
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:51:01 AM EDT
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There was a police stament that specifically mentioned a hood. Could be a cap and a hood. Looks to me like the bottom of a brown hoodie hanging below the blue jacket on his right side. Looks like the hand warmer pocket, even like he may be reaching into or pulling his hand out of it. My guess is his hand is on his weapon that he used to abduct the girls, If it has not been done already, they need to get the photo of the perp cleaned up to make it sharper and clearer. NASA, the FBI, etc may have the tech for this. Not like it hasn't been done before. It is possible the police have a good idea who the perp is and have a cleaned up image but they may not want to release it yet so as not to spook this guy since he is likely following every news report to see if they are getting closer to finding him. Hate to say it, but it would not surprise me if this guy is a member on internet forums for hunters, outdoors people and even on AR15.com. If you are reading this, turn yourself in. May God have mercy on your soul. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 1:54:00 AM EDT
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I hope they are looking through all the surveillance video from all the convenience stores in a 20 mile radius. I would bet he stopped at one of them while wearing the clothes. Almost certain it is....not a very well known trail...yet this guy is preying on girls getting dropped off. Coincidence? I don't think so. He's been on that trail plenty of times before. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 2:04:22 AM EDT
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My guess is his hand is on his weapon that he used to abduct the girls, If it has not been done already, they need to get the photo of the perp cleaned up to make it sharper and clearer. NASA, the FBI, etc may have the tech for this. Not like it hasn't been done before. It is possible the police have a good idea who the perp is and have a cleaned up image but they may not want to release it yet so as not to spook this guy since he is likely following every news report to see if they are getting closer to finding him. Hate to say it, but it would not surprise me if this guy is a member on internet forums for hunters, outdoors people and even on AR15.com. If you are reading this, turn yourself in. May God have mercy on your soul. Most people are online, just as likely to be a member of DU. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 2:18:50 AM EDT
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I wonder if they could use ancestrydna to find potential relatives to help narrow it down
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Posted: 2/25/2017 2:34:30 AM EDT
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Most people are online, just as likely to be a member of DU. The problem with cases like these is the incredible amount of tips the police have to investigate. It is overwhekming. Hoping the FBI still has a serial profiler unit and has a profile of the perp, That can help trim the list of possibles being given to them via the tip hotline. As a cop, you learn to read people's body language. The way they stand, the way they walk. From that single pic.....he looks to be an older guy with poor posture and possibly overweight. Maybe someone who works or worked in manual labor for many years. He may even be on full disability or retired, which gives him all the time in the world to roam that trail and wait for victims. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 6:01:18 AM EDT
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Bump it up early on a Saturday.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 9:45:50 AM EDT
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Bump it up early on a Saturday. Guy could be widowed, divorced, single or living with a feeble relative or submissive spouse who wont turn him in. Like some have said, if he has a job that is mobile, he may not even be in the area right now. I wonder where he parked his vehicle. Does that place have surveillance cameras or stores where he could have bought gas, cigarettes, etc? Did he pay with a debit card? Where are the nearest gun stores, hunting stores or outdoor supply stores? He might be a regular paying customer. There are ways to draw out this guy. Going back to the original search for the girls......he might have even been one of the volunteers. Anyone know someone who recognizes the man in the photo and his way of speaking? |
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