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Why? What about an unskilled 18 year old with a 160 IQ? What about a low IQ "hammer swinger" that is willing to work 12 hour workdays in construction for $7.00/hour? What is inherently wrong with more cheap labor? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It should not be about how easy or hard it is. It should be about the quality of the people we take in. High skill and or education level is GTG. Hammer swingers and fruit pickers stay out. Why? What about an unskilled 18 year old with a 160 IQ? What about a low IQ "hammer swinger" that is willing to work 12 hour workdays in construction for $7.00/hour? What is inherently wrong with more cheap labor? It undercuts americans and plummets the labor market. I am and work with manual laborers everyday. Other 1st world countries have houses built too and they don't use exploited brown people who had to waltz across a desert for the privilege of working for peanuts. |
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So, are you one of these "citizen of the world" sovereign citizen types? What do you these illegals you love so much do the 14 -16 hours they are not working? What do you think they do on the weekends? Do you think your 7 dollar an hour hammer swinger lives an otherwise legal life? When he's not swinging that hammer, he's driving without a license, maybe a little ID theft, gang banging possibly. Perhaps he's getting a government subsidy for his anchor babies. Maybe he's killing a cop. Maybe he's driving 90 mph in the oncoming traffic lane and hitting a decent good American citizen and killing him instantly. Which is what happened to one of my best friends June 5 2016. You have no argument. This is a sovereign nation, congress decides who comes and goes, not some schmuck on the internet who thinks she doesn't have to obey the right and reasonable laws of the United States.
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It undercuts americans and plummets the labor market. I am and work with manual laborers everyday. Other 1st world countries have houses built too and they don't use exploited brown people who had to waltz across a desert for the privilege of working for peanuts. View Quote |
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The more people we let in, the more people we have to support via welfare when able bodied Americans are displaced. Get it?
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Why? What about an unskilled 18 year old with a 160 IQ? What about a low IQ "hammer swinger" that is willing to work 12 hour workdays in construction for $7.00/hour? What is inherently wrong with more cheap labor? View Quote So you are advocating for legal slavery? The constant inflow of low skilled workers, no matter their IQ, is nothing more than the creation of a slave class. With no means or time to assimilate, all those immigrants will stay at the lowest rungs. |
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America is starting to look like bus station in Total Recall, fuck 3rd world immigrant trash. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b2gD4FqBFto/VLQyVFwDm8I/AAAAAAAA4Ls/y4CnuqHzSiQ/s1600/recall26.jpg This is what you get when regular people mate with immigrants! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/53/02/ec/5302ece70e862f8f5e839b735c70a8af.jpg View Quote holy shit brunette on left. Can we import those? |
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So, are you one of these "citizen of the world" sovereign citizen types? Not sure if there is an applicable label. I want people to be left alone. Call it what you will. What do you these illegals you love so much do the 14 -16 hours they are not working? What do you think they do on the weekends? Do you think your 7 dollar an hour hammer swinger lives an otherwise legal life? When he's not swinging that hammer, he's driving without a license, maybe a little ID theft, gang banging possibly. Perhaps he's getting a government subsidy for his anchor babies. Maybe he's killing a cop. Maybe he's driving 90 mph in the oncoming traffic lane and hitting a decent good American citizen and killing him instantly. Which is what happened to one of my best friends June 5 2016. I don't give a shit what they do when they aren't working. I don't give a shit what they do, period. I don't like to centrally plan other people's lives. If they initiate force against me, I will act accordingly. Otherwords, live and let live. You have no argument. My argument is that it is immoral to initiate force against people. Do you agree? This is a sovereign nation, congress decides who comes and goes, not some schmuck on the internet who thinks she doesn't have to obey the right and reasonable laws of the United States. Okay? What's your point? That there is a body of people that advocate force against peaceable people? I'm aware of that, already. Am I not allowed to criticize this system? View Quote |
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At this point, I have very little interest in making immigration easier. We're either going to get turd-worlders or some shade of Marxist. We don't need either.
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So you are advocating for legal slavery? The constant inflow of low skilled workers, no matter their IQ, is nothing more than the creation of a slave class. With no means or time to assimilate, all those immigrants will stay at the lowest rungs. View Quote No. Slavery is involuntary servitude. Your unwillingness to work for the wages that others are willing to work does not make you a slave, sorry. |
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So you are advocating for legal slavery? The constant inflow of low skilled workers, no matter their IQ, is nothing more than the creation of a slave class. With no means or time to assimilate, all those immigrants will stay at the lowest rungs. View Quote Then they're welcome to go home. Many of these people are immigrating here (legally and illegally) because even in your so-called slave class they have it much better than they do at home. |
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Let's suppose that becoming a legal citizen was as easy as a $5 filing fee and a passport photo, and the entire process took 2 weeks from start to finish. We will also suppose that there is no welfare in this situation. I hear how great legal immigrants are, but would people still hold this sentiment if virtually anybody could immigrate here legally quickly and easily? View Quote Hell no! American citizenship would have no worth if it was easy. If we want good people, people who want to be Americans, that want to assimilate, that want to contribute then obtaining citizenship needs to be as difficult and arduous as possible. The only things you get in life that are worthwhile are those things that you earn, if American citizenship is to have any worth it needs to be earned. |
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no you don't give a shit what they do after their hammer swinging shift is over. Of course I don't care what people do after their work shift is over. This applies to immigrants or native born people. Do you make it a point to concern yourself with the personal life of everybody that you buy services from? You hire them, you enable them, you are responsible for the havoc they wreak on the American people. So I paid a guy to build a deck, and I am responsible if he commits a murder or rape, or other crime. Then you are responsible if the cashier at the grocery store does the same. I'd love to see some of these assholes who hire them charged under RICO. Cool. I am sure the FBI will be knocking on my door any second. There's nothing immoral about using force (deportation) against these "peaceful" people. Well, I won't be able to convince you otherwise. I submit that as a principle the initiation of force is wrong. Take it or leave it. View Quote |
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Let's suppose that becoming a legal citizen was as easy as a $5 filing fee and a passport photo, and the entire process took 2 weeks from start to finish. We will also suppose that there is no welfare in this situation. I hear how great legal immigrants are, but would people still hold this sentiment if virtually anybody could immigrate here legally quickly and easily? View Quote What fucking planet are you living on? No, being a legal citizen, should be like filing the long form for your taxes. You want the best, not the welfare, non English speaking shitbag criminals. |
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No. Slavery is involuntary servitude. Your unwillingness to work for the wages that others are willing to work does not make you a slave, sorry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So you are advocating for legal slavery? The constant inflow of low skilled workers, no matter their IQ, is nothing more than the creation of a slave class. With no means or time to assimilate, all those immigrants will stay at the lowest rungs. No. Slavery is involuntary servitude. Your unwillingness to work for the wages that others are willing to work does not make you a slave, sorry. However your apparent willingness to import more and more people to drive down wages is in effect creating that slave class. After all, you can always get the next boat load to work for less than the last boat load. Creating the environment of having to accept any wage offered - no matter how low - is slavery. BTW, how long do you think it would take for all those people to decide not to take your 'slave wages', but to take your possessions instead? |
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It should be a hell of a lot harder and more vetting to immigrate than it is for a US citizen to exercise their constitutional right to a gun muffler, until they wait times are two weeks, immigrants can get bent.
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Then they're welcome to go home. Many of these people are immigrating here (legally and illegally) because even in your so-called slave class they have it much better than they do at home. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So you are advocating for legal slavery? The constant inflow of low skilled workers, no matter their IQ, is nothing more than the creation of a slave class. With no means or time to assimilate, all those immigrants will stay at the lowest rungs. Then they're welcome to go home. Many of these people are immigrating here (legally and illegally) because even in your so-called slave class they have it much better than they do at home. In reality, yes. In the pseudo world created by the OP's question, no. Go around. Proceed direct to the outer marker and enter holding. |
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Let's suppose that becoming a legal citizen was as easy as a $5 filing fee and a passport photo, and the entire process took 2 weeks from start to finish. We will also suppose that there is no welfare in this situation. I hear how great legal immigrants are, but would people still hold this sentiment if virtually anybody could immigrate here legally quickly and easily? View Quote No way. The country would be flooded. As bad as the Liberal left claims the USA is a HUGE number of people would LOVE to come here. People that do NOT want to integrate into our liberal republic. |
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When I was at the immigration office with my wife for the interview, there was some older guy there that came in, pulled a rolled up ball of paper out of his jacket, unraveled it trying to straighten it out on his stomach and threw it on the counter. I caught glimpse of it, and it was the same paperwork we had, clean, crisp, and in a folder. This happened about 4 feet in front of me. there was another guy that came in and I overheard the reception lady asking for his XYZ paper he got last time he was there. He had no idea what she was talking about (playing stupid) and so she printed him out another one, explained the whole thing and sent him on his way.
I bet you can find these same dumb fucks online or on the side of the road at a rally somewhere holding a #notmypresident sign. fuck anyone that is not able to get into America, you are either fucking retarded or you just aren't a good person... or you're in a country with a BIG fucking snackbar problem. |
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You do realize that the problem with vetting wannabe immigrants isn't with the US system.
It has more to do with turd world countries still using paper documentation instead of computerized systems. Record searches take forever looking for and verifying paper docs. ===== NOT OUR PROBLEM. Ain't nothing wrong with our system of immigration other than it is simply overloaded by those wanting to come and other countries outdated record keeping. |
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I "pretend" to love the free market? What does that mean? In a free market, prices are determined by supply and demand. More people able to provide labor = cheaper labor. I don't see anything wrong with that. If you are an unskilled employee, you would probably be well-served by acquiring more valuable skills. If you don't wish to do so, I don't really give a shit, but don't cry to Uncle Sugar to keep others, that are willing to do your job for less, away. View Quote The problem isn't the cheaper labor. It's the increased costs to the rest of society that the cheaper labor brings with it. Your cheap labor means higher taxes, higher crime, higher healthcare costs, and more communicable diseases for everyone, just so you can save a bit on your rental maintenance. |
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However your apparent willingness to import more and more people to drive down wages is in effect creating that slave class. After all, you can always get the next boat load to work for less than the last boat load. Creating the environment of having to accept any wage offered - no matter how low - is slavery. They don't HAVE to accept anything. If I offer somebody $5/hour to provide labor, they can take it or leave it. If I can't find somebody to provide that labor at $5/hour, then I will have to offer more for it, or I will have to go without it. Slavery would be "work for me or I will harm you", which is nowhere close to what I propose BTW, how long do you think it would take for all those people to decide not to take your 'slave wages', but to take your possessions instead? I have no idea. Theft occurs already, though, immigrants or not. View Quote |
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The problem isn't the cheaper labor. It's the increased costs to the rest of society that the cheaper labor brings with it. Your cheap labor means higher taxes, higher crime, higher healthcare costs, and more communicable diseases for everyone, just so you can save a bit on your rental maintenance. View Quote Right... More people + government that takes stuff for other people = bad I suggest getting rid of the government part, but that's just me. |
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This thread is great. 1 guy massacred half of the Murica warriors on this forum. We jagoff all day about the freedoms we all love like there is a list of shit we're allowed to enjoy. Because there is. Then someone else comes along and points out what liberty actually is and everyone shits their pants. We sound like a bunch of Nelsons who think Merica is a clubhouse and we need to keep all of the girls, nerds and smelly kids out.
"You have to understand. Most people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured and so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it." |
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Okay, then you answered my question. Your problem doesn't seem to be with illegal immigrants, but rather with immigrants, legal or otherwise, that are uneducated/from 3rd world shitholes. View Quote Pretty much. It is our country with our values. We should be taking the best and brightest from around the world. |
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I support legal immigration, but the truth is, it's too easy already.
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Hammer swingers and fruit pickers stay out. View Quote |
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Then who is going to swing the hammers and pick fruit all day? Not lazy ass Americans..... I work in construction, and our work is prevailing wage, so the least amount of pay a guy will make is more than $17 an hour. You have no idea how hard it is to find hard working, legal people, to do be a laborer. Every wants to only let in doctors and engineers, yet no one here wants to do manual labor. View Quote Oh GD assures you that you don't know what you are talking about. They are pretty sure the reason you can't find laborers has nothing to do with the work ethic of Americans, but rather the fact that "Mexicans don't pay taxes". |
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Oh GD assures you that you don't know what you are talking about. They are pretty sure the reason you can't find laborers has nothing to do with the work ethic of Americans, but rather the fact that "Mexicans don't pay taxes". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Then who is going to swing the hammers and pick fruit all day? Not lazy ass Americans..... I work in construction, and our work is prevailing wage, so the least amount of pay a guy will make is more than $17 an hour. You have no idea how hard it is to find hard working, legal people, to do be a laborer. Every wants to only let in doctors and engineers, yet no one here wants to do manual labor. Oh GD assures you that you don't know what you are talking about. They are pretty sure the reason you can't find laborers has nothing to do with the work ethic of Americans, but rather the fact that "Mexicans don't pay taxes". A lot of our work is at public schools, so our guys have to be finger printed and have background checks done before they can even step foot on the campus. It makes it really hard so find and hire people when we only want to legally let people in the country who are in highly specialized fields. It's comes from the same mentality as the "Everyone should go to college" crowd. |
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Oh GD assures you that you don't know what you are talking about. They are pretty sure the reason you can't find laborers has nothing to do with the work ethic of Americans, but rather the fact that "Mexicans don't pay taxes". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Then who is going to swing the hammers and pick fruit all day? Not lazy ass Americans..... I work in construction, and our work is prevailing wage, so the least amount of pay a guy will make is more than $17 an hour. You have no idea how hard it is to find hard working, legal people, to do be a laborer. Every wants to only let in doctors and engineers, yet no one here wants to do manual labor. Oh GD assures you that you don't know what you are talking about. They are pretty sure the reason you can't find laborers has nothing to do with the work ethic of Americans, but rather the fact that "Mexicans don't pay taxes". You're paying more that you think. Because that illegal you just hired is on food stamps, gets medicaid, EITC for his real or fictitious kids. His kids go to school on your dime. He's driving without insurance etc. All of these things cost you money and that assumes he doesn't moonlight as a criminal. Even the founders saw fit to allow the government to regulate immigration the real immorality here is that the government has failed to do so. Let that sink in the people who wrote the bill of rights saw and hated central government saw fit to allow the government to control immigration and I'm sure to your horror level tariffs on imported goods. |
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