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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:54:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:56:49 PM EDT
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What is the Roland Special?
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:58:43 PM EDT
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What is the Roland Special? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:59:12 PM EDT
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I hope it comes out that he was carrying a Judge.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:59:28 PM EDT
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What is the Roland Special? Basically a G34 length G19. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote History "I will provide no information about an apparent clusterfuck but do not assume this is a clusterfuck"
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:00:14 PM EDT
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What is the Roland Special? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:00:31 PM EDT
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What is the Roland Special? ? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:04:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:04:49 PM EDT
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ETA: It looks like the next version of the Roland Special will include an aftermarket safety. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:05:39 PM EDT
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Dude has interesting FB page that will go over well with a jury I'm sure.
Mission Shooting stuff. And people. STORY We shoot stuff. And people. Products Hate, discontent, tactical superiority |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:09:55 PM EDT
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What is the Roland Special? "A very specific pistol is gaining popularity across the Internet and is being referred to as the “Roland Special,” or the “Gunslinger Special.” Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/the-guns-network/the-roland-special-glock-19/#ixzz4YtP86lWU |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:14:36 PM EDT
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I would like to see the details before passing any judgement, but his FB page mixed with drinking and popping off a shot doesn't "look" good. Again he might have been in the right on something, but the optics look bad for him.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:15:31 PM EDT
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Unless the victim pulled a gun or knife on him he is screwed. Let's be real, this is Califoregon he is screwed.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:25:33 PM EDT
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Funny how people with that mentality attract shit situations
Crap I've had a rolly for IDK 5 years and never knew it. Well, I guess since I don't run a retarded comp on it isn't the same lol |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:29:23 PM EDT
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1. I think the "roland special" is pretty gay. Cram as much open class stuff as you can on a Glock 19 and insist that it's tactical. The RMR I can see, but a comp? Come the fuck on.
2. What the fuck actually happened? Was he drinking and fingerfucking his gun and accidentally shot someone with it? Was he drunk and fighting with someone and then shot them? Did he have a single beer and then later on some dickhead tried to kill him? The charges make it sound as if it was a deliberate act rather than any form of negligence. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:37:56 PM EDT
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"I will provide no information about an apparent clusterfuck but do not assume this is a clusterfuck" There are certainly good people who get caught up in shitty situations and deserve the benefit of the doubt. There are also problematic personalities associated with the firearms industry that do dumb or awful shit and don't get called on it because of the buddy system. I don't know this guy and I don't take warm showers with anyone who does to the best of my knowledge. I have no idea which of those two scenarios this is. We do know the press routinely lies about defensive firearms use and the people involved in them in addition to their overall habit of lying about all manner of other things. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:39:46 PM EDT
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There are certainly good people who get caught up in shitty situations and deserve the benefit of the doubt. There are also problematic personalities associated with the firearms industry that do dumb or awful shit and don't get called on it because of the buddy system. I don't know this guy and I don't take warm showers with anyone who does to the best of my knowledge. I have no idea which of those two scenarios this is. We do know the press routinely lies about defensive firearms use and the people involved in them in addition to their overall habit of lying about all manner of other things. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:43:48 PM EDT
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1. I think the "roland special" is pretty gay. Cram as much open class stuff as you can on a Glock 19 and insist that it's tactical. The RMR I can see, but a comp? Come the fuck on. 2. What the fuck actually happened? Was he drinking and fingerfucking his gun and accidentally shot someone with it? Was he drunk and fighting with someone and then shot them? Did he have a single beer and then later on some dickhead tried to kill him? The charges make it sound as if it was a deliberate act rather than any form of negligence. One of the charges was negligent wounding. I don't think that would be one of the charges if he intentionally shot someone in self defense. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:45:02 PM EDT
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So he's just a reserve cop?
After all the operator face shooter macho posturing going back months? A part time cop? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:52:50 PM EDT
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So he's just a reserve cop? After all the operator face shooter macho posturing going back months? A part time cop? LOTS of former Tier 1 guys are reserve cops. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:54:04 PM EDT
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<a href="http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2016/03/glock-special-19-roland-9.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2016/03/glock-special-19-roland-9.jpg</a> ETA: It looks like the next version of the Roland Special will include an aftermarket safety.<img src="http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif" /> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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? <a href="http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2016/03/glock-special-19-roland-9.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2016/03/glock-special-19-roland-9.jpg</a> ETA: It looks like the next version of the Roland Special will include an aftermarket safety.<img src="http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif" /> Looks like a Roland Special Ed. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:57:00 PM EDT
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Looks like a Roland Special Ed. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:58:14 PM EDT
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Roland, the headless Thompson gunner?
Reminds me of a tune... Lyrics Roland was a warrior From the Land of the Midnight Sun With a Thompson Gun for hire Fighting to be done The deal was made in Denmark On a dark and stormy day So he set out for Biafra To join the bloody fray Through '66 and 7 They fought the Congo War With their fingers on their triggers Knee-deep in gore The days and nights they battled The Bantu to their Knees They killed to earn their living And to help out the Congolese Roland the Thompson Gunner Roland the Thompson Gunner His comrades fought beside him Van Owen and the rest But of all the Thompson Gunners Roland was the best So the CIA decided They wanted Roland dead That son-of-a-bitch Van Owen Blew off Roland's Head Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner Time Time Time for another week of war Norway's bravest son Time stands still for Roland til he evens up the score They can still see his headless body Stalking through the night In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson Gun In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson Gun Roland searched the continent For the man who'd done him in He found him in Mombassa In a bar room drinkin' Gin Roland aimed his Thompson Gun He didn't say a word But he blew Van Owen's body From there to Johanasburg. Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner Talkin about the man Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner The eternal Thompson Gunner Still wanderin through the night Now it's ten years later But he still keeps up the fight In Ireland, In Lebanon In Palastine and Berkley Patty Hurst Heard the burst Of Roland's Thompson Gun And bought it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:58:47 PM EDT
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So he's just a reserve cop? After all the operator face shooter macho posturing going back months? A part time cop? Negative. He just retired this past january from .mil. He was very much so a part of the "face shooting" secret squirrel stuff. This is interesting. On its face, it looks like he fucked up. But very reputable people in the know, including his chief where he's a reserve officer at, are defending him. I'm gonna wait and see. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:59:20 PM EDT
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1. I think the "roland special" is pretty gay. Cram as much open class stuff as you can on a Glock 19 and insist that it's tactical. The RMR I can see, but a comp? Come the fuck on. 2. What the fuck actually happened? Was he drinking and fingerfucking his gun and accidentally shot someone with it? Was he drunk and fighting with someone and then shot them? Did he have a single beer and then later on some dickhead tried to kill him? The charges make it sound as if it was a deliberate act rather than any form of negligence. The comp is to give the Glock 19 the same overall length as a Glock 34, but make it softer shooting for rapid fire. It also means you no longer have a 1/2 inch of light hanging out in front of the muzzle. But with the shorter G19 grip, it's still relatively easy to conceal. It's meant to fill the same role as the MK23; an "offensive" handgun, used in situations where the only weapon the soldier/agent has is a handgun, for whatever reason. Except it's more feasible, since it comes with additional features and isn't the size of a submachinegun. I imagine it came to be when someone wanted a better handgun and looked into competitive handgun shooting to see what competition shooters use. Whether or not they have actually been used by SOCOM guys has been argued back and forth. Frankly, I don't care. They're pretty slick to shoot, though a suppressor is much better than a comp, even if it is more of a hassle. I'd expect SOCOM guys would be taking a hard look at the Maxim 9, since an integrally suppressed handgun is infinitely more useful than a thread-on suppressor. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:02:52 PM EDT
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There really isn't that much more to the story, but folks needed to come out and say something since Internet trolls were filling the airwaves with false conjecture.
The organic hate stemmed from what was probably resentment over the dude's background, accomplishments, and fact that so many people respected him despite him revealing so little. The silver lining of this incident is that he is going to have to go public, and eventually, tell his side of the story. Dude spends more than 2 decades serving in the Armed Forces in a Special Operations capacity, you think people would give him the benefit of the doubt or at least not try to kick a man when he's down. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:03:39 PM EDT
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Is it me or do people that post shit like that on FB then get into trouble like this make neck-beard OC'ers look good?
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:08:53 PM EDT
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1. I think the "roland special" is pretty gay. Cram as much open class stuff as you can on a Glock 19 and insist that it's tactical. The RMR I can see, but a comp? Come the fuck on. 2. What the fuck actually happened? Was he drinking and fingerfucking his gun and accidentally shot someone with it? Was he drunk and fighting with someone and then shot them? Did he have a single beer and then later on some dickhead tried to kill him? The charges make it sound as if it was a deliberate act rather than any form of negligence. 1. If you actually try shooting it, it works amazingly well... in both broad daylight and especially under NODs. I didn't think a comp on a G19 would be that useful until I tried it myself. Detractors have been calling it a "Welfare Open Class Gun" for months now, and that's a fair assessment. Thing is... me and some pals ran our Roland type builds against Open Class gun shooters and our guns were more reliable and we did better overall. It's pretty cool that you can conceal carry something like that. 2. I thought you were a cop? Even you must know it's not wise for anyone to say anything until the arraignment at the very least. Since the trolls are dragging this patriot's name through the mud, you can bet he will be out with a statement and the facts will reveal themselves in due time. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:10:25 PM EDT
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Sssssub.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:14:56 PM EDT
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While AWG dudes take themselves way too seriously, IIRC Chuck Presser earned a BSM on the Ranger QRF at Roberts Ridge
I know that doesn't mean much since ya'll are totally about to enlist now that Trump is in, but canning the shit until there are more details would be prudent. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:28:27 PM EDT
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1. If you actually try shooting it, it works amazingly well... in both broad daylight and especially under NODs. I didn't think a comp on a G19 would be that useful until I tried it myself. Detractors have been calling it a "Welfare Open Class Gun" for months now, and that's a fair assessment. Thing is... me and some pals ran our Roland type builds against Open Class gun shooters and our guns were more reliable and we did better overall. It's pretty cool that you can conceal carry something like that. 2. I thought you were a cop? Even you must know it's not wise for anyone to say anything until the arraignment at the very least. Since the trolls are dragging this patriot's name through the mud, you can bet he will be out with a statement and the facts will reveal themselves in due time. Chill. JW777 wasn't bashing the guy. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:29:19 PM EDT
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While AWG dudes take themselves way too seriously, IIRC Chuck Presser earned a BSM on the Ranger QRF at Roberts Ridge. Can you translate that for a stupid jarhead? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:30:09 PM EDT
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Is it me or do people that post shit like that on FB then get into trouble like this make neck-beard OC'ers look good? It's you. He didn't wear a face mask and OC an AK into a police station. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:32:35 PM EDT
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Chill. JW777 wasn't bashing the guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Chill. JW777 wasn't bashing the guy. Don't worry, I'm chill. 
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Can you translate that for a stupid jarhead? "Chuck has been fighting in the GWOT in a Special Operation capacity since the very beginning, at the battle of Takur Ghar" |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:33:32 PM EDT
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Can you translate that for a stupid jarhead? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While AWG dudes take themselves way too seriously, IIRC Chuck Presser earned a BSM on the Ranger QRF at Roberts Ridge. Can you translate that for a stupid jarhead? Quick reaction force at Roberts Ridge (site of a battle) |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:35:43 PM EDT
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One of the charges was negligent wounding. I don't think that would be one of the charges if he intentionally shot someone in self defense. Sounds like AD or ND. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:43:21 PM EDT
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Didn't look like the way i had expected him to look.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:48:08 PM EDT
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While Asymmetric Warfare Group dudes (Delta type unit)..........Chuck Presser earned a Bronze Star on the Ranger Quick reaction force at Roberts Ridge (site of a battle) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While AWG dudes take themselves way too seriously, IIRC Chuck Presser earned a BSM on the Ranger QRF at Roberts Ridge. Can you translate that for a stupid jarhead? Quick reaction force at Roberts Ridge (site of a battle) LOL, you can tell they take themselves too seriously when people think they are a delta type unit 
It's A special mission unit (there are MANY, all of which are more sensitive than AWG). It is not THE special mission unit. it's made up of SME's of most significant MOS' who serve as advisors to commanders, training cadre, and collect current TTPs and try to get them into tradoc and PMT quicker than big army can. in a nutshell. Sometimes though those dudes act like AF Cops who pretend they are Special Forces. Chuck Presser spent a long time doing ranger shit, and did infinitely more hard changing face shooting than my pogue ass. I read roberts ridge on the plane to benning in 05. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:49:37 PM EDT
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LOL, you can tell they take themselves too seriously when people think they are a delta type unit
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:53:19 PM EDT
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LOL, you can tell they take themselves too seriously when people think they are a delta type unit I keep waiting to hear about another SMU that lets operators do podcasts
EDIT: Forgot about devgru
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:58:22 PM EDT
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Didn't look like the way i had expected him to look. Mug shot lenses are long focal length... flattens you out, makes ya look fatter than you actually are. Same thing with TV cameras. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:00:51 PM EDT
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Didn't look like the way i had expected him to look. Uh, is that supposed to be the guy who came up with the Roland Special? I just watched a vid on it, and I'm pretty sure the guy shows his face towards the end. Not the same guy at all. 13:14 - See here  P&S ModCast 43-1 The Birth Of The Roland Special Edit - OK, there was a pic posted of someone who looked like a young Hispanic Santa Claus. It's now gone, so... -Warren- |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:02:47 PM EDT
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Didn't look like the way i had expected him to look. +1 Interested to see when all the facts come out. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:04:44 PM EDT
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Alcohol and guns don't belong together.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:14:31 PM EDT
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Bannnnnnned in NY! (I think) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the Roland Special? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:33:09 PM EDT
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There really isn't that much more to the story, but folks needed to come out and say something since Internet trolls were filling the airwaves with false conjecture. The organic hate stemmed from what was probably resentment over the dude's background, accomplishments, and fact that so many people respected him despite him revealing so little. The silver lining of this incident is that he is going to have to go public, and eventually, tell his side of the story. Dude spends more than 2 decades serving in the Armed Forces in a Special Operations capacity, you think people would give him the benefit of the doubt or at least not try to kick a man when he's down. Really? No one? Bashing false conjecture with false conjecture just gets a pass in GD now? 
And on another note, I like how some in GD blast every person with a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" if they screw up but the minute some dude that was in the service has an OWI or shoots a person while drunk... it is "we don't know the whole story so lets give them the benefit of the doubt" 
Look. I don't care what side you people take crucify or give out passes it is your choice, and I understand my opinion is not important so this is just some unwanted advise, try to be consistent in life you look weak and stupid flopping on issues because you wanna blow some dude that was in the military. With all do respect. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:34:20 PM EDT
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There really isn't that much more to the story, but folks needed to come out and say something since Internet trolls were filling the airwaves with false conjecture. The organic hate stemmed from what was probably resentment over the dude's background, accomplishments, and fact that so many people respected him despite him revealing so little. The silver lining of this incident is that he is going to have to go public, and eventually, tell his side of the story. Dude spends more than 2 decades serving in the Armed Forces in a Special Operations capacity, you think people would give him the benefit of the doubt or at least not try to kick a man when he's down. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:34:37 PM EDT
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While AWG dudes take themselves way too seriously, IIRC Chuck Presser earned a BSM on the Ranger QRF at Roberts Ridge I know that doesn't mean much since ya'll are totally about to enlist now that Trump is in, but canning the shit until there are more details would be prudent. |
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