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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:03:50 AM EDT
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While Iran is certainly trying to acquire those, is there any evidence that they have them? As far as a BB's capability against FIAC, it depends on ROE. We're not sinking FIAC at range today. All it takes is one suicide boat in the right place to damage screws and rudders and the ship is vulnerable to follow-on attack. BB has a butt-load of 5 inch guns to "dissuade" such activities. Proximity fused shell for the "colander shot" and the win ...... |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:15:40 AM EDT
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The whole Moskit weighs over 9000 lbs and is traveling at Mach 2 +. It doesn't need a warhead, that's just icing once it's punched stem to stern through a ship. Battleships aren't built like other ships. Battleships were designed to take hits from armor piercing shells weighing close to a ton traveling well in excess of the speed of sound. A Moskit would be like a bug on a windshield. In fact you can go visit a battleship that was hit by a 6000lb aircraft traveling around 300-400 mph and also carrying 550 - 1100 pounds of bombs. USS Missouri is moored at Pearl Harbor. She suffered more damage from the gasoline fire from the wreckage than from the impacts. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:18:57 AM EDT
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The iranians have clearly discovered marijuana bong hits.
They just forgot to clean the bong each time. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:30:44 AM EDT
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Which battleship has taken a hit from a 250kg semi armor piercing warhead traveling at Mach 2.5 and continued to fight? Many battleships have taken hits from these, or similar: 
Not "semi" - armor-piercing - ACTUAL AP - depending upon caliber 1400 - 2700 pounds, coming in at close to muzzle velocity, which may be as high as 2,500 fps = 1700 MPH = Mach 2.22. SO not QUITE Mach 2.5, but very close, 5 times as heavy, a much higher sectional density, and actual armor piercing. Close enough? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:38:33 AM EDT
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that 'animation' is a true testament to how shitty their technology and country truly are. Ayup. Looks like a video game. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:41:43 AM EDT
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Many battleships have taken hits from these, or similar: https://img0.etsystatic.com/157/0/10695392/il_570xN.1072264752_khgr.jpg Not "semi" - armor-piercing - ACTUAL AP - depending upon caliber 1400 - 2700 pounds, coming in at close to muzzle velocity, which may be as high as 2,500 fps = 1700 MPH = Mach 2.22. SO not QUITE Mach 2.5, but very close, 5 times as heavy, a much higher sectional density, and actual armor piercing. Close enough? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which battleship has taken a hit from a 250kg semi armor piercing warhead traveling at Mach 2.5 and continued to fight? Many battleships have taken hits from these, or similar: https://img0.etsystatic.com/157/0/10695392/il_570xN.1072264752_khgr.jpg Not "semi" - armor-piercing - ACTUAL AP - depending upon caliber 1400 - 2700 pounds, coming in at close to muzzle velocity, which may be as high as 2,500 fps = 1700 MPH = Mach 2.22. SO not QUITE Mach 2.5, but very close, 5 times as heavy, a much higher sectional density, and actual armor piercing. Close enough? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:49:17 AM EDT
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They forgot to CGI in Mr. Sea Whiz blowing the shit out of the in-coming missiles.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:53:19 AM EDT
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Holy shit!!
BeowolfX now makes NVG helmet mounts?!!? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:33:03 PM EDT
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All you're saying is that you're not actually familiar with modern ASMs. Modern ASMs are not designed to defeat 8 - 19 inches of face-hardened cemented armor. Which has a higher sectional density? A cruise missile or 14 - 16 inch armor-piercing shell? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:44:00 PM EDT
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Many battleships have taken hits from these, or similar: https://img0.etsystatic.com/157/0/10695392/il_570xN.1072264752_khgr.jpg Not "semi" - armor-piercing - ACTUAL AP - depending upon caliber 1400 - 2700 pounds, coming in at close to muzzle velocity, which may be as high as 2,500 fps = 1700 MPH = Mach 2.22. SO not QUITE Mach 2.5, but very close, 5 times as heavy, a much higher sectional density, and actual armor piercing. Close enough? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which battleship has taken a hit from a 250kg semi armor piercing warhead traveling at Mach 2.5 and continued to fight? Many battleships have taken hits from these, or similar: https://img0.etsystatic.com/157/0/10695392/il_570xN.1072264752_khgr.jpg Not "semi" - armor-piercing - ACTUAL AP - depending upon caliber 1400 - 2700 pounds, coming in at close to muzzle velocity, which may be as high as 2,500 fps = 1700 MPH = Mach 2.22. SO not QUITE Mach 2.5, but very close, 5 times as heavy, a much higher sectional density, and actual armor piercing. Close enough? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:45:52 PM EDT
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Modern ASMs are not designed to defeat 8 - 19 inches of face-hardened cemented armor. Which has a higher sectional density? A cruise missile or 14 - 16 inch armor-piercing shell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All you're saying is that you're not actually familiar with modern ASMs. Modern ASMs are not designed to defeat 8 - 19 inches of face-hardened cemented armor. Which has a higher sectional density? A cruise missile or 14 - 16 inch armor-piercing shell? Mach 2.5 ETA: Iowas don't have that much armor except on the command structure and turrets, anyway. Between the deck and the "armor belt" it's pretty thin, and so is the deck armor. It was vulnerable to period aerial bombs, to say nothing a diving attack from a modern ASM. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:53:42 PM EDT
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Their CG is horrid lol. Like games from 15+ years ago bad LOL
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:57:26 PM EDT
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Modern ASMs are not designed to defeat 8 - 19 inches of face-hardened cemented armor. Which has a higher sectional density? A cruise missile or 14 - 16 inch armor-piercing shell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All you're saying is that you're not actually familiar with modern ASMs. Modern ASMs are not designed to defeat 8 - 19 inches of face-hardened cemented armor. Which has a higher sectional density? A cruise missile or 14 - 16 inch armor-piercing shell? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:01:04 PM EDT
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What has DJT done to earn the descriptor of " war-mongerer"?  don't you even literally Hitler? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:18:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:24:18 PM EDT
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Yeah, it's pretty fortunate that modern ASCMs don't utilize 1) armor piercing warheads or 2) optional pop up attack profile As opposed to much larger armor piercing shells that attack at a 45 degree angle. Not seeing much difference. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:26:18 PM EDT
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9900 lbs Mach 2.5 ETA: Iowas don't have that much armor except on the command structure and turrets, anyway. Between the deck and the "armor belt" it's pretty thin, and so is the deck armor. It was vulnerable to period aerial bombs, to say nothing a diving attack from a modern ASM. Period aerial bombs were a lot bigger and harder than your missile. In fact, the first Japanese armor piercing aerial bombs were ... ...wait for it ... ... converted battleship shells fitted with fins. Doesn't really matter how fast your marshmallow is going - it isn't getting in. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:35:35 PM EDT
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Period aerial bombs were a lot bigger and harder than your missile. In fact, the first Japanese armor piercing aerial bombs were ... ...wait for it ... ... converted battleship shells fitted with fins. Doesn't really matter how fast your marshmallow is going - it isn't getting in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9900 lbs Mach 2.5 ETA: Iowas don't have that much armor except on the command structure and turrets, anyway. Between the deck and the "armor belt" it's pretty thin, and so is the deck armor. It was vulnerable to period aerial bombs, to say nothing a diving attack from a modern ASM. Period aerial bombs were a lot bigger and harder than your missile. In fact, the first Japanese armor piercing aerial bombs were ... ...wait for it ... ... converted battleship shells fitted with fins. Doesn't really matter how fast your marshmallow is going - it isn't getting in. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:44:58 PM EDT
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1997 called. They want their video game back.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:56:49 PM EDT
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Leftist porn.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 3:07:21 PM EDT
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You've never actually seen what it will do to a ship, have you. has the Moskit ever been fired on a ship? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:30:02 PM EDT
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Why yes, they do have drones. http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140512093418-04-iran-drone-0512-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg  And the Attack Helicopter behind it is very Bell 206ish.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:37:30 PM EDT
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Their idea of a "movie" is nothing more than a video game
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:41:00 PM EDT
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Period aerial bombs were a lot bigger and harder than your missile. In fact, the first Japanese armor piercing aerial bombs were ... ...wait for it ... ... converted battleship shells fitted with fins. Doesn't really matter how fast your marshmallow is going - it isn't getting in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9900 lbs Mach 2.5 ETA: Iowas don't have that much armor except on the command structure and turrets, anyway. Between the deck and the "armor belt" it's pretty thin, and so is the deck armor. It was vulnerable to period aerial bombs, to say nothing a diving attack from a modern ASM. Period aerial bombs were a lot bigger and harder than your missile. In fact, the first Japanese armor piercing aerial bombs were ... ...wait for it ... ... converted battleship shells fitted with fins. Doesn't really matter how fast your marshmallow is going - it isn't getting in. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:44:28 PM EDT
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hey iran, this was 26 years ago........
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:50:49 PM EDT
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Can they even get a Split Tail in the air anymore Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to watch the other clips! Phantoms and Tomcats destroy F-15s and curiously French Mirage 2000s by the bucket load,also a B-2. Can they even get a Split Tail in the air anymore If the Air Force was so inclined... Probably. They'd have to cannibalize two or three to get one in the air, though. No way in hell those goat fuckers would manage to shoot down a B2, though. Fly one of those in at night, an entire city would be burning before anyone even knew what happened. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:14:25 PM EDT
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ROT for shaped charge warheads is that they will penetrate an amount of armor equal to 7 times warhead diameter. I don't know the 26's actual warhead diameter, but the missile is 27.6" in diameter. 5 times if you use copper liner. You only get close to 7 using exotic liner materials like platinum. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:24:48 PM EDT
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Yup they got the Persian Gulf 2 part right. It would be just like what we did to Iraq, shut them down in less than 100 hours. A dumbass never been in the military guy like me could come up with a plan to shut them down before they could respond.
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:25:33 PM EDT
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Between that and Taiwan's Hsiung Feng III, the South China Sea is going to be a very sporty place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ironically an Iowa in original WW2 attire, bofors and all, could probably handle their entire speed boat navy and whatever shit frigates of theirs we havent already sank in round 1. Assuming we have control of the airspace ofc. While Iran is certainly trying to acquire those, is there any evidence that they have them? As far as a BB's capability against FIAC, it depends on ROE. We're not sinking FIAC at range today. All it takes is one suicide boat in the right place to damage screws and rudders and the ship is vulnerable to follow-on attack. Syria has Yakhont, which is the export variant of the SS-N-26, employed as CDCMs. I believe that Indonesia and Vietnam also have Yakhonts, Indonesia on FFGs and Vietnam as CDCM. Brahmos is a version co-developed with India The ROCs have already tested the HFIII against against a fishing boat. That means that it's combat proven.
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:29:50 PM EDT
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has the Moskit ever been fired on a ship? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You've never actually seen what it will do to a ship, have you. has the Moskit ever been fired on a ship? 
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:31:36 PM EDT
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You sank our battleships! The ones that haven't been in active service since 1991! That's a neat trick. But I am told Gen. Soleimani can do anything, so I guess we better watch out!
Is he like the Iranian Chuck Norris? Gen. Soleimani was bitten by a cobra and after five days of excruciating pain... the cobra died. He who laughs last, laughs best. He who laughs at Chuck Norris, it's definitely his last laugh. The easiest way to determine Chuck Norris's age is to cut him in half and count the rings. Gen. Soleimani is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs. Gen. Soleimani doesn't dial the wrong number. You answered the wrong phone. Gen. Soleimani knows Victoria's secret. When Gen. Soleimani turned 18, his parents moved out. When Gen. Soleimani swims in the ocean, the sharks are in a steel cage. Gen. Soleimani will never have a heart attack. His heart isn't nearly foolish enough to attack him. Gen. Soleimani once kicked a horse in the chin. Its descendants today are known as giraffes. Gen. Soleimani doesn't breathe air. He holds air hostage. Gen. Soleimani can delete the Recycling Bin. Gen. Soleimani has already been to Mars. That's why there are no signs of life. Gen. Soleimani can kill two stones with one bird. Gen. Soleimani's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2. No one fools Chuck Norris. Gen. Soleimani wears sunglasses so that his eyes won't hurt the sun. If you see Gen. Soleimani crying he will grant you a wish, if your wish is dying. When Gen. Soleimani works out he doesn't get stronger, the machine does. Gen. Soleimani does not sleep; he waits. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:28:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:42:48 AM EDT
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The skinniest kid in town often spends many a night fantasizing about having some magical super power and beating up the football team in full view of the whole town. Giving rise to countless superhero movies and this gem.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:45:13 AM EDT
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Well, they should give it a shot then. And stop talking shit and man up.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:50:47 AM EDT
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Why do we keep SEPERATING their government and their people.
Even the stupid Persians here in the States are pinko, commie, leftist motherfuckers. It's good thumpy thump got them banned. I even hope it is for green card holders and dual citizens also. If Thumpy was banning Hungarians, I would dump my citizenship also and come home ...like it or not... I'm American, born American and will die American despite my father being Hungarian. But no...these fuckers keep going both ways..... Come to a country with DEATH TO AMERICA..blah blah blah. Hungarian Prime Minister is in good relations with Trump right now so thats a good sign. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:33:51 AM EDT
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Is there any danger that this is anything more than them peacocking while hiding behind Mother Russia's skirts?
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:36:35 AM EDT
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Quote History Remind me not to go to war in a gutted cruise ship.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:37:37 AM EDT
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Can we just sink everything they have with an attack sub?
Shoot a nuke out of torpedo tube and detonate it under their fleet--because that'd be cool as shit to watch. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:38:59 AM EDT
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So if in their wet dreams they attacked our ships, the Army, USMC, and Air Force are just going to sit behind and watch?
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:43:53 AM EDT
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Thanks Iran, I needed a good laugh. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:58:42 AM EDT
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Which battleship has taken a hit from a 250kg semi armor piercing warhead traveling at Mach 2.5 and continued to fight? |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 8:18:29 AM EDT
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Also, people keep talking about how much the missiles weighs at launch... but what do they weigh at impact? It's silly to try to be all "it's xxxxxx lbs at mach XXX whatever!!!' as if as the missile will pull mach 2.5 over a long enough range to stand off, and not have it burn a significant amount of propellant.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 12:40:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryWHERE'S THE FUCKING LIKE BUTTON!!! 
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Posted: 2/21/2017 12:53:12 PM EDT
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Also, people keep talking about how much the missiles weighs at launch... but what do they weigh at impact? It's silly to try to be all "it's xxxxxx lbs at mach XXX whatever!!!' as if as the missile will pull mach 2.5 over a long enough range to stand off, and not have it burn a significant amount of propellant. Actually people have been posting the mass of the warhead (i.e. 250kg of HE) the missile itself weighs significantly more (like 3000 kg). A 250kg warhead can go through ANY part of an Iowa class, though unless you hit the magazine I doubt if a single one could sink a battleship. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:12:22 PM EDT
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Iran has needed a mind altering bitch slap since Jimmy Carter bent over and grabbed his ankles.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:35:47 PM EDT
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Remind me not to go to war in a gutted cruise ship. ... full of tannerite, apparently .... |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:37:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:38:28 PM EDT
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Actually people have been posting the mass of the warhead (i.e. 250kg of HE) the missile itself weighs significantly more (like 3000 kg). A 250kg warhead can go through ANY part of an Iowa class, though unless you hit the magazine I doubt if a single one could sink a battleship. Part in bold is laughably wrong. Conning tower: Take a good look at that door... 18 inches of face-hardened armor. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:49:38 PM EDT
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For people interested in actual damage done to a battleship similar to Iowa in armor layout, this is a good read:
http://navweaps.com/index_lundgren/South_Dakota_Damage_Analysis.htm |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 5:06:37 PM EDT
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Part in bold is laughably wrong. Conning tower: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZvYABL4tBTxbhnqQXwisWEYNJR8qm5F8Zno8BCy3M3I99SlPJmA Take a good look at that door... 18 inches of face-hardened armor. Yeah I've walked through that door on the New Jersey and the Massachusetts, it's impressive to look at but really isn't all that impressive when you have enough HE. 18" of armored steel is FAR less than the penetration capability of a 20" 250KG HEAT type warhead. Do the math yourself (you posted the figures earlier in this thread). A freaking Hellfire anti-tank missile can go through almost twice that and it's only got a 9kg warhead. |
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