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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:24:06 AM EDT
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Good video where you can see the scale of the hole. It's enormous.
To be clear, the erosion is going UP the spillway. http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article131579999.html |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:24:17 AM EDT
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There's dirt under there. Until it hits bedrock it's just blasting away the dam essentially. http://image.orovillemr.com/storyimage/NB/20170208/NEWS/170209736/AR/0/AR-170209736.jpg&maxh=400&maxw=667 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't get it. Why don't they just say "fuck the spillway" and fix it when the water levels are lower? There's dirt under there. Until it hits bedrock it's just blasting away the dam essentially. http://image.orovillemr.com/storyimage/NB/20170208/NEWS/170209736/AR/0/AR-170209736.jpg&maxh=400&maxw=667 I understand erosion. Erosion and Sediment Control is a big part of what I do for a living. The spillway is far enough away from the the dam intentionally (check out the pic,) and the emergency spillway is just a low point where it would wash out everything. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:25:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:25:36 AM EDT
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Maybe CA should ask Trump for help?
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:26:37 AM EDT
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I understand erosion. Erosion and Sediment Control is a big part of what I do for a living. The spillway is far enough away from the the dam intentionally (check out the pic,) and the emergency spillway is just a low point where it would wash out everything. I see. I would just worry that the erosion will be catastrophic or near catastrophic. There's bedrock down there... somewhere. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:26:47 AM EDT
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That hole is big enough to eat up traincars of quickrete. Meh. Even if it's 200x100x30 that's only ~23,000 yds. About 2500 9 yd trucks. They'd be brooming it by lunch. 
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:27:01 AM EDT
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Well, maybe the incessant whining about drought will ease up a bit. What is idiotic about some of the people in these positions is how dumb they are. They just had a meeting to discuss ending the emergency drought order yesterday. they said 50 counties in California have some flood warning currently. Every lake is full to the brim damn near with almost record amounts of water in the snowpack and yet they said the order needs to stay in effect. Say what lol yes it happened because feels i guess. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:27:39 AM EDT
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So they are wringing their hands over what to do?
It sounds to me like the ship of options has already sailed. If they don't continue to use the damaged spillway, the emergency spillway WILL get used, whether they like it or not. This is what's known as being painted into a corner. Their lack of planning and deferred maintenance has led to this situation and they have almost zero options. In the military this situation was known as 6P (Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance). |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:28:03 AM EDT
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Looks like it's a better option than using the emergency spillway. Emergency spillway is farther away from the main structure, if it erodes AWAY from the dam, thats fine. Neither are good options. But keeping the erosion farther away is far more important. fuck your trees and dirt. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:28:39 AM EDT
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Meh. Even if it's 200x100x30 that's only ~23,000 yds. About 2500 9 yd trucks. They'd be brooming it by lunch. LOL, oh man. worse than I thought. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:28:40 AM EDT
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And we're supposed to know where the "biggest dam in the country" is located? I thought the OP meant maybe Grand Coulee or Hoover.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:28:43 AM EDT
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Nah, SL-2 so it will set up. I'd hate to be the one that had to mix that many 1.5 gallon pails though! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fill the fucking hole with concrete. It wont last forever but could be a temp fix. Of course the demo later on to repair it correctly will be a MOFO. Or lots and lots of tubes of SL1.  Nah, SL-2 so it will set up. I'd hate to be the one that had to mix that many 1.5 gallon pails though! Wait until it dries out and backfill with class 1 riprap and flowable fill concrete to grade, then rebuild the spillway chute. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:28:43 AM EDT
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The old engineer had the correct answer.
This should be interesting to watch. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:28:58 AM EDT
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They quoted someone in the article saying that very thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't get it. Why don't they just say "fuck the spillway" and fix it when the water levels are lower? They quoted someone in the article saying that very thing. They had five years to do that. A bit late now. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:01 AM EDT
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Why not put some big pumps at the top and pump down some big discharge hoses in bottom of original spillway?
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:08 AM EDT
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They had a similar issue at the Glen Canyon Dam in the 80's.
First of 3 videos.  Challenge at Glen Canyon (Part 1) |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:16 AM EDT
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Glad to see California was busy repairing and expanding water storage infrastructure during the drought when water levels were low. 
Didn't have time/money for that. Too busy expending effort on "sky is falling" drought education and enforcement (with a healthy dose of global warming and probably some LGBT outreach). You forgot the $100 Billion "high speed" train to nowhere, as a payoff to the democraps' political campaign contributors. Its 3rd world politics on display. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:18 AM EDT
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Good video where you can see the scale of the hole. It's enormous. To be clear, the erosion is going UP the spillway. http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article131579999.html They're gonna need more silt fence. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:30 AM EDT
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Learn to swim 
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:34 AM EDT
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Meh. Even if it's 200x100x30 that's only ~23,000 yds. About 2500 9 yd trucks. They'd be brooming it by lunch. they are going to need a massive vibe. maybe that huge dyke community in san fran will be useful for once. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:36 AM EDT
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What concerns me is the possible backlash against innocent Muslims this could create. We need to create a seven person tax payer funded panel to make sure that doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:29:41 AM EDT
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Emergency spillway is farther away from the main structure, if it erodes AWAY from the dam, thats fine. Neither are good options. But keeping the erosion farther away is far more important. fuck your trees and dirt. They are clearing the boulders and trees from the "emergency spillway" as I type. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:30:48 AM EDT
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Where is the live camera so that we can all laugh in real time?
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:30:59 AM EDT
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There's dirt under there. Until it hits bedrock it's just blasting away the dam essentially. http://image.orovillemr.com/storyimage/NB/20170208/NEWS/170209736/AR/0/AR-170209736.jpg&maxh=400&maxw=667 That's a big hole. there is a momma joke in there somewhere, but i cant put my finger on it. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:31:21 AM EDT
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And we're supposed to know where the "biggest dam in the country" is located? I thought the OP meant maybe Grand Coulee or Hoover. Oddly enough it's in a shithole armpit of a town called Oroville. Meth is the main economy. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:31:29 AM EDT
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Why the criticism?
California had the choice to spend the money they borrowed on things like maintaining dams and other infrastructure or spending their borrowed money on things like illegal aliens and lgbt or MBG-GT or whatever. Their debt money, their choice. "You pays yer money, and you takes yer choice.'' Priorities, it's all about priorities. One more time ... they are called The Low IQ Left for a reason. Silly people make silly decisions. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:31:39 AM EDT
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During the drought, I kept telling people the rains would come back, because they always do, and I hope they're ready for what comes. Well, guess they aren't ready.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:32:31 AM EDT
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I think we all knew that with the devastating drought brought on by global warming, this was bound to happen. thanks you fucking fascists for ignoring science. With all the cooked data it is properly called junk science. Rain, snow, drought, hot, cold and every thing in between, it is nothing new. The earth has been colder and warmer in the past. Not a big deal. All you phony science people offer is socialist solutions designed to destroy our economy and give you more power. That isn't going to happen. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:32:32 AM EDT
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Why not put some big pumps at the top and pump down some big discharge hoses in original spillway? Big diesels running the pumps are probably not CARB compliant, everyone downstream will just need to die. 
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:32:44 AM EDT
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I don't get it. Why don't they just say "fuck the spillway" and fix it when the water levels are lower? The focus is on benefits for illegals, not infrastructure repair. That, and LGBT issues / transgender education in grade school / unisex bathrooms / illegal alien driver licenses. It's about priorities. Oh, and that bullet train thing. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:32:45 AM EDT
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Its pretty obvious they need to call in Todd Hoffmans crew fix this up.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:33:26 AM EDT
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If I lived down stream or anywhere near the Feather River I would be unassing right now. Oroville,Yuba City, and Sacramento real estate prices are about to take a hit.
Pro Tip: Do not live downstream from any dam.....ever. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:34:21 AM EDT
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Oddly enough it's in a shithole armpit of a town called Oroville. Meth is the main economy. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:34:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:35:37 AM EDT
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I think they fucked it up more with the test that hole was 3/4 of the current size yesterday morning. The drainage where that dam is located is expected to get 6 inches of rain in the next 24 hours and I heard inflows of 130-150k cfs during this next storm.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:35:55 AM EDT
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Good video where you can see the scale of the hole. It's enormous. To be clear, the erosion is going UP the spillway. http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article131579999.html I have no idea how you fix that fast, i guess you can drop a boat load of boulders in and then concrete on top of that. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:36:55 AM EDT
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Hmmm, "surfs up in Sacramento" has a nice ring to it.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:36:55 AM EDT
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Obviously need more LGBT training. and high speed rail projects |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:37:02 AM EDT
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Meanwhile like 50 miles away, my local news is covering a small bit of flooding on a local highway that has flooded about 4 times in the last 2 months. Not a peep about the dam in Oroville. LOL.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:37:19 AM EDT
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I think they fucked it up more with the test that hole was 3/4 or more of the current size yesterday morning. The drainage where that dam is located is expected to get 6 inches of rain in the next 24 hours and I heard inflows of 130-150k cfs during this next storm. When I went to sleep last night around midnight, lake was at 862 feet. right now 8 hours later it's at 875 feet. "emergency spillway" is at 901 feet. Shit's goin down for real. They might as well have CNN tell everyone it's all going to be fine. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:38:18 AM EDT
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You forgot the $100 Billion "high speed" train to nowhere, as a payoff to the democraps' political campaign contributors. Its 3rd world politics on display. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad to see California was busy repairing and expanding water storage infrastructure during the drought when water levels were low.
Didn't have time/money for that. Too busy expending effort on "sky is falling" drought education and enforcement (with a healthy dose of global warming and probably some LGBT outreach). You forgot the $100 Billion "high speed" train to nowhere, as a payoff to the democraps' political campaign contributors. Its 3rd world politics on display. The bullet train is the reason that we have some of the highest gas taxes and vehicle registration fees in the country yet are roads are for shit. They raised water rates and spent a crapload of money on incentives and enforcement for drought shit instead of fixing things like this. Now they will cry poverty once again and claim they need to raise water rates again to cover the costs of repairing stuff like this. Oh, and I am sure that global warming will be loudly blamed for the extra rainfall. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:39:03 AM EDT
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I'm so full of white privilege i didn't even think of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What concerns me is the possible backlash against innocent Muslims this could create. I'm so full of white privilege i didn't even think of that. Me too
I'm such a monstrous bastard 
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:39:30 AM EDT
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they are going to need a massive vibe. maybe that huge dyke community in san fran will be useful for once. 
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:39:47 AM EDT
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Well I guess I better go stock some supplies into my boat. Food, heat sleeping bags. I have an enclosed cab and could go awhile, this night vision gear and other things may prove handy very shortly
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:39:48 AM EDT
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This. Fill the dike with more dykes. Edit: spelling is hard. Yes. The little Dutch boy who saved his country by sticking his finger in the dyke. Not sure how that worked, but he is a national hero. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:39:52 AM EDT
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Doctors often say "all bleeding will stop", they just don't specify how or why bleeding will stop. In the same way, all water will eventually find the lowest point available......one way or another.
Mother Nature is a cruel, heartless, and consistent bitch. |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:41:00 AM EDT
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When I went to sleep last night around midnight, lake was at 862 feet. right now 8 hours later it's at 875 feet. "emergency spillway" is at 901 feet. Shit's goin down for real. They might as well have CNN tell everyone it's all going to be fine. And that was with the about an inch of rain we got yesterday, maybe less. It is just starting here again and I'm about 75 miles west and slightly south of the dam as the crow flies. We are forecasted to get about 4-5 inches here so that means about 6-8 there. LOL |
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:42:21 AM EDT
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So just looked at a map to see where exactly the dam is located. Noticed one other issue. Beale AFB looks to be down stream. Not sure if it's in the flood plain if this thing goes.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:42:26 AM EDT
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Looks like quite a few critters will get the last ride of their life sometime on Friday. At least it will be an exciting one.
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Posted: 2/9/2017 11:42:32 AM EDT
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As long as there is the possibility that Califonians die, GD shall rejoice.
We're getting yet another storm now, another several inches of rain. |
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