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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:18:54 PM EDT
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It couldn't be because of shitty policies, shitty pay and a remote location?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:31:56 PM EDT
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I'll do it just pay for my housing including utilities.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:33:41 PM EDT
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It couldn't be because of shitty policies, shitty pay and a remote location? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:38:04 PM EDT
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Probably a lot of factors in the play, but the biggest I believe is that most departments here won't consider you unless you have a criminal justice degree on top of having to go to an academy. So it is more enticing to high school grads not wanting to have to take loans out for a low paying job. Weird, most agencies don't seem to care about degrees around here. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:39:02 PM EDT
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I've been to Fargo twice for a couple 4 day trips. If there was one city on the planet I'd want to be a cop it would be Fargo. College town, hoodrats hate cold, generally clean, military presence. It's an awesome city.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:40:23 PM EDT
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I've been to Fargo twice for a couple 4 day trips. If there was one city on the planet I'd want to be a cop it would be Fargo. College town, hoodrats hate cold, generally clean, military presence. It's an awesome city. I've always wanted to visit there. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:46:51 PM EDT
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Automate that friggin job already
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:55:14 PM EDT
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Link North Dakota legislators are mulling granting law enforcement officers a tuition waiver to help them earn a college degree, an effort to recruit and retain officers.
As introduced, Senate Bill 2054 would provide full tuition and fee support for full-time law enforcement officers to help them earn an associate or bachelor's degree at a North Dakota public college or university, provided they meet certain requirements. Sen. Diane Larson, R-Bismarck, sponsored the bill at the request of police commanders, who report having difficulty hiring qualified officers. Randy Ziegler, deputy chief of the Bismarck Police Department, came to her with the idea after learning Nebraska has a tuition support program for law enforcement officers. Chief David Todd of the Fargo Police Department testified in support of the bill when it was heard by the Senate Education Committee on Jan. 10. Hiring has become more difficult, as the pool of applicants has shrunk significantly over time, he said in an interview.
"I have seen a trend," Todd said. When he applied to be an officer 30 years ago, he was one of 400 applicants for three openings. "It was a gymnasium full of people," Todd said. Now, typically between 30 and 40 applicants sign up to take a qualifying test, and only half show up. Of those, a third "wash out" on the written or physical test, leaving only five or six viable candidates. Vacancies typically run from 4 or 5 to 10 or 11 officers at a time, the chief said. "It's a challenge to find good candidates," Todd said. Because of the budget crunch, committee members talked about reducing the tuition waivers to 25 percent, with a cap of $1 million, Larson said.
"We have to do something to incentivize young people to look at law enforcement as a career," she said. Well, helping to get a college degree is nice, but it seems like a way to help someone move onto another career. But, it does nothing for someone who is not interested in getting a degree. If you want to attract qualified applicants and keep them, you have to increase pay. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 5:57:19 PM EDT
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Weird, most agencies don't seem to care about degrees around here. State law says you need 60 college credits, but don't need a degree. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:02:12 PM EDT
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Well, helping to get a college degree is nice, but it seems like a way to help someone move onto another career. But, it does nothing for someone who is not interested in getting a degree. If you want to attract qualified applicants and keep them, you have to increase pay. Must be 21 years of age, law enforcement certified by State of Wisconsin, and have valid, unrestricted Wisconsin motor vehicle operator's license. Before commencing employment on any basis in law enforcement, an individual must have met recruit qualifications established by Law Enforcement Standards Board AND must possess at least either a two (2) year associate degree from Wisconsin vocational, technical, and adult education district or its accredited equivalent from another state or minimum of 60 fully accredited college level credits. Prior experience as a law enforcement officer is desired. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:02:44 PM EDT
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I've always wanted to visit there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been to Fargo twice for a couple 4 day trips. If there was one city on the planet I'd want to be a cop it would be Fargo. College town, hoodrats hate cold, generally clean, military presence. It's an awesome city. I've always wanted to visit there. I'm going to college in Fargo. It's the best city in the US, as far as I'm concerned. Almost no hoodrats for 300 miles, until you get to Minneapolis. It's clean here, there's piles of wealth in the area, and everyone loves the college football team. Go Bison! |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:03:35 PM EDT
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Took one criminal justice class in college as an elective.
First day professor asks those in this class who are pursuing a criminal justice degree to work as a LEO to raise their hand...50% of the class raises their hand She then states..recent studies show xx% (i think it was pretty damn high) will NOT be satisfied working as an LEO after getting a degree. The look on their faces was sadness and shock. There is no god damn reason for anyone to waste money on a worthless piece of paper to be a fucking LEO, same way I feel about 87% of the rest of the jobs "requiring" a college degree. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:10:49 PM EDT
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Most places say they don't care about a degree...but they do. State law says you need 60 college credits, but don't need a degree. POST state? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:11:47 PM EDT
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Here is the education requirements for a local department in their want ad. Must be 21 years of age, law enforcement certified by State of Wisconsin, and have valid, unrestricted Wisconsin motor vehicle operator's license. Before commencing employment on any basis in law enforcement, an individual must have met recruit qualifications established by Law Enforcement Standards Board AND must possess at least either a two (2) year associate degree from Wisconsin vocational, technical, and adult education district or its accredited equivalent from another state or minimum of 60 fully accredited college level credits. Prior experience as a law enforcement officer is desired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, helping to get a college degree is nice, but it seems like a way to help someone move onto another career. But, it does nothing for someone who is not interested in getting a degree. If you want to attract qualified applicants and keep them, you have to increase pay. Must be 21 years of age, law enforcement certified by State of Wisconsin, and have valid, unrestricted Wisconsin motor vehicle operator's license. Before commencing employment on any basis in law enforcement, an individual must have met recruit qualifications established by Law Enforcement Standards Board AND must possess at least either a two (2) year associate degree from Wisconsin vocational, technical, and adult education district or its accredited equivalent from another state or minimum of 60 fully accredited college level credits. Prior experience as a law enforcement officer is desired. What is the salary range? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:15:43 PM EDT
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"The applicant must not have any tattoos that are visible when the applicant is in a standing or sitting position of rest, and must further conform to all other appearance standards established by department policy."
They get rid of that outdated rule they might find some more qualified military personnel that would be interested in the job. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:17:04 PM EDT
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It couldn't be because of shitty policies, shitty pay and a remote location? It's an issue all over the country. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:18:56 PM EDT
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Getting the professors, on board, for all the "excuses" on why the LEO keeps missing class/tests will be a challenge.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:26:09 PM EDT
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Took one criminal justice class in college as an elective. First day professor asks those in this class who are pursuing a criminal justice degree to work as a LEO to raise their hand...50% of the class raises their hand She then states..recent studies show xx% (i think it was pretty damn high) will NOT be satisfied working as an LEO after getting a degree. The look on their faces was sadness and shock. There is no god damn reason for anyone to waste money on a worthless piece of paper to be a fucking LEO, same way I feel about 87% of the rest of the jobs "requiring" a college degree. This is true. The classes I took in 2003 simply do not apply today. It's not like math or science that is constant. Laws change on a yearly basis. Supreme Court decisions change best practices. Even the way things are done within distant parts of the same agency can vary slightly. It was a good class from a pure learning stand point, but is totally useless in the real world. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:26:58 PM EDT
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Here is the education requirements for a local department in their want ad. Must be 21 years of age, law enforcement certified by State of Wisconsin, and have valid, unrestricted Wisconsin motor vehicle operator's license. Before commencing employment on any basis in law enforcement, an individual must have met recruit qualifications established by Law Enforcement Standards Board AND must possess at least either a two (2) year associate degree from Wisconsin vocational, technical, and adult education district or its accredited equivalent from another state or minimum of 60 fully accredited college level credits. Prior experience as a law enforcement officer is desired. 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:27:30 PM EDT
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It's an issue all over the country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It couldn't be because of shitty policies, shitty pay and a remote location? It's an issue all over the country. Some articles from just the past week or so. Pennsylvania Nebraska Hawaii New Hampshire Texas North Dakota Arizona North Carolina |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:27:40 PM EDT
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POST state? 
I wish, my wife wants to move. My certification isn't any good anywhere else. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:29:49 PM EDT
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No.
I wish, my wife wants to move. My certification isn't any good anywhere else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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POST state?
I wish, my wife wants to move. My certification isn't any good anywhere else. I'm in the same boat. Although I actually like where I work. My wife just hates the weather 4 months out of the year. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:31:50 PM EDT
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No.
I wish, my wife wants to move. My certification isn't any good anywhere else. Don't come to GA. Unless you like running away from a guy chasing you with a .410 derringer, and getting paid less than $14/hour, then by all means, come to GA.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:35:01 PM EDT
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I'm in the same boat. Although I actually like where I work. My wife just hates the weather 4 months out of the year. I love this state, my wife does not. 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:35:58 PM EDT
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Don't come to GA. Unless you like running away from a guy chasing you with a .410 derringer, and getting paid less than $14/hour, then by all means, come to GA. I was thinking southern IN, KY, or maybe SC. It's too fucking hot any further south.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:54:07 PM EDT
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I love this state, my wife does not.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:55:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:57:36 PM EDT
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How about maybe raising the starting pay?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 7:22:54 PM EDT
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Didn't see anything about an age limit or salary range. Do departments in need ever think about relocation reimbursement for candidates from out of state?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 7:34:25 PM EDT
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In for the butthurt
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Posted: 1/16/2017 7:44:35 PM EDT
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What is the salary range? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, helping to get a college degree is nice, but it seems like a way to help someone move onto another career. But, it does nothing for someone who is not interested in getting a degree. If you want to attract qualified applicants and keep them, you have to increase pay. Must be 21 years of age, law enforcement certified by State of Wisconsin, and have valid, unrestricted Wisconsin motor vehicle operator's license. Before commencing employment on any basis in law enforcement, an individual must have met recruit qualifications established by Law Enforcement Standards Board AND must possess at least either a two (2) year associate degree from Wisconsin vocational, technical, and adult education district or its accredited equivalent from another state or minimum of 60 fully accredited college level credits. Prior experience as a law enforcement officer is desired. What is the salary range? The question of the hour. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 7:46:37 PM EDT
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Took one criminal justice class in college as an elective. First day professor asks those in this class who are pursuing a criminal justice degree to work as a LEO to raise their hand...50% of the class raises their hand She then states..recent studies show xx% (i think it was pretty damn high) will NOT be satisfied working as an LEO after getting a degree. The look on their faces was sadness and shock. There is no god damn reason for anyone to waste money on a worthless piece of paper to be a fucking LEO, same way I feel about 87% of the rest of the jobs "requiring" a college degree. Lot of departments around here pay 5% to 10% more to officers that have degrees Makes no since to me why, every officer does the same job at the end of the day and a peace of paper does not help anyone on the street. Most take online BS collage to make the extra $ once 60 unites are completed Funny when all they require to get hired is GED in the first place |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 7:59:47 PM EDT
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Ha... raise pay across the board by $20k a year instead of offering free tuition and I bet you'd get more candidates.
When winter's over and the oilfield starts up again due to Trump policies, McDonalds will be paying $20/hr for fry cooks in North Dakota. A entry level oilfield job will be $75k+. No way guys are going to put up with LE bullshit for fry cook wages. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:06:06 PM EDT
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Google says:
The Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2012-2013 Edition, an occupational guide released by the U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, found the median North Dakota law enforcement salaries in 2010 to be: Police and Sheriff's Patrol Officers: $45,490. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:18:46 PM EDT
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The question of the hour. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the salary range? The question of the hour. Fargo's website says this. The starting pay is $24.53/hour ($51,022/year) plus benefits. Current or former law enforcement officers may be eligible to start at $25.26 – $25.97/hour ($52,541 - $54,018/year) depending on experience, as well as have a shortened training program. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:21:01 PM EDT
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According to their website the starting pay in Fargo is 51k and they have a step up pay scale guaranteeing you 68k in 13 years even with no promotion.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:22:52 PM EDT
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Some articles from just the past week or so. Pennsylvania Nebraska Hawaii New Hampshire Texas North Dakota Arizona North Carolina PA I do not place much stock in the polygraph but you have to wonder if getting rid of it is a good idea. Will it be a race to the bottom like the NYPD. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:23:14 PM EDT
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It's an issue all over the country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It couldn't be because of shitty policies, shitty pay and a remote location? It's an issue all over the country. This. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:25:48 PM EDT
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How about maybe raising the starting pay? And keep the veteran pay the same.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:26:12 PM EDT
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According to their website the starting pay in Fargo is 51k and they have a step up pay scale guaranteeing you 68k in 13 years even with no promotion. I live in one of the cheapest cost of living states in the country and anyone who's halfway motivated will be making $68k+ in under 5 years in the stable (refining/processing/production) side of the oilfield ($100k+ if you choose the more volatile exploration/exploitation side). |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:38:01 PM EDT
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Don't come to GA. Unless you like running away from a guy chasing you with a .410 derringer, and getting paid less than $14/hour, then by all means, come to GA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish, my wife wants to move. My certification isn't any good anywhere else. Don't come to GA. Unless you like running away from a guy chasing you with a .410 derringer, and getting paid less than $14/hour, then by all means, come to GA. Hey! Savannah paid 17.03 an hour when I left it
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:43:39 PM EDT
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I'm going to college in Fargo. It's the best city in the US, as far as I'm concerned. Almost no hoodrats for 300 miles, until you get to Minneapolis. It's clean here, there's piles of wealth in the area, and everyone loves the college football team. Go Bison! Your fastfood places are glorious. No shitbags behind the counter, clean, fast service. I thought I was on another planet. The tacoBell by the Fargodome is the best in America Caught some tailgating for one of the games on Dec 5th. The turnout was INSANE and it was 22 degrees. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:44:33 PM EDT
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Fargo's website says this. Better than starting pay here. Sounds like a good place to be an LEO....nothing happens.
The cold and short motorcycle season would suck ass though. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:44:56 PM EDT
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And keep the veteran pay the same. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:10:15 PM EDT
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Hey! Savannah paid 17.03 an hour when I left it That's more than what I made when I got out of LE in 2013. 16 years in LE, and I made $31K.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:23:32 PM EDT
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No way guys are going to put up with LE bullshit for fry cook wages. "But LE is a calling!" |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:45:45 PM EDT
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That's more than what I made when I got out of LE in 2013. 16 years in LE, and I made $31K. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey! Savannah paid 17.03 an hour when I left it That's more than what I made when I got out of LE in 2013. 16 years in LE, and I made $31K.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:47:19 PM EDT
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Better than starting pay here. Sounds like a good place to be an LEO....nothing happens.
The cold and short motorcycle season would suck ass though. You can snowmobile forever. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:58:16 PM EDT
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I've always wanted to visit there. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:04:41 PM EDT
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Fargo's website says this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the salary range? The question of the hour. Fargo's website says this. The starting pay is $24.53/hour ($51,022/year) plus benefits. Current or former law enforcement officers may be eligible to start at $25.26 – $25.97/hour ($52,541 - $54,018/year) depending on experience, as well as have a shortened training program. Which means what exactly? Compared to the cost of living. ND doesn't strike me as being a cheap place to live. Hell, they were paying Walmart employees $20/hr+ just a couple years ago with the oil boom. |
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