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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:52:35 AM EDT
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He must have forgotten about the whole Volkswagon scandal.
That said, he might want to STFU. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:55:40 AM EDT
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He must have forgotten about the whole Volkswagon scandal. That said, he might want to STFU. The 'Volkswagen scandal' was just a scam on emissions, not quality. Fucking cars shouldn't even have government mandated emissions control system, as far as I'm concerned. If the consumer wants it, it should be an options package. Then let's see how many of these 'SAVE THE EARTH, enlightened progressive' types pay out of their own god damn pocket for it when it's not mandated. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:56:07 AM EDT
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He must have forgotten about the whole Volkswagon scandal. That said, he might want to STFU. You do realize the VW scandal is about emissions cheat that actually benefits the consumer, right? The cheat put in place violates the Federal emissions regulations by failing them but results in better fuel economy for the owners. To pass the emissions results in engine mapping that reduces fuel mileage..... |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:56:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:56:49 AM EDT
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Lol.. that's pretty funny coming from Germany
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:57:34 AM EDT
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Aren't the tariffs supposed to be on MEXICAN BUILT BMWs, not all BMWs?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:58:00 AM EDT
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German cars may have a better fit and finish but they'll cost you more in repairs if you keep cars for a long time.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 9:59:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:00:00 AM EDT
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The 'Volkswagen scandal' was just a scam on emissions, not quality. Fucking cars shouldn't even have government mandated emissions control system, as far as I'm concerned. If the consumer wants it, it should be an options package. Then let's see how many of these 'SAVE THE EARTH, enlightened progressive' types pay out of their own god damn pocket for it when it's not mandated. from experiance, they're the last ones to repair the emissions controls after a failure. seriously. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:01:11 AM EDT
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You do realize the VW scandal is about emissions cheat that actually benefits the consumer, right? The cheat put in place violates the Federal emissions regulations by failing them but results in better fuel economy for the owners. To pass the emissions results in engine mapping that reduces fuel mileage..... I do realize it was an emissions issue. My point was, if the cars were that good to begin with, why cheat? The guy is spracking off about us building a better car. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:01:21 AM EDT
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Mah globalism.....
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:01:30 AM EDT
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German cars may have a better fit and finish but they'll cost you more in repairs if you keep cars for a long time. Especially BMW. Broken Most Weeks Everyone that I know that has owned BMWs complains about the quality over time. Great new, shit for the long haul. The number of BMW courtesy cars running around places like Greenville and Atlanta is somewhat shocking. My brother had a friend that worked for one of the very big dealerships in ATL, and that guy jokingly (sort of) said that you should really buy two BMWs, so one will hopefully be working while the other is in the shop. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:03:29 AM EDT
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Exatcly. Guys, its how our free trade agreements work. You know.....they import them for free into America.....then, any American car is taxed upon entry. Gets a tarriff. Because thats abfair and equitable deal right????
Stop allowing the importation of them. Fuck germany. Not our friend. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:05:25 AM EDT
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He must have forgotten about the 2016 European Car of The Year and who makes the Opel Astra.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:05:40 AM EDT
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I do realize it was an emissions issue. My point was, if the cars were that good to begin with, why cheat? The guy is spracking off about us building a better car. Because emissions have nothing to do with build quality? Especially when the Federally set mandate goes against what the market (consumer) actually desires....and that's more fuel economy. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:08:04 AM EDT
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He must have forgotten about the 2016 European Car of The Year and who makes the Opel Astra. The Astra is an Opel product, not rebadged GM... |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:08:32 AM EDT
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Especially BMW. Broken Most Weeks Everyone that I know that has owned BMWs complains about the quality over time. Great new, shit for the long haul. The number of BMW courtesy cars running around places like Greenville and Atlanta is somewhat shocking. My brother had a friend that worked for one of the very big dealerships in ATL, and that guy jokingly (sort of) said that you should really buy two BMWs, so one will hopefully be working while the other is in the shop. That's because most BMWs you see in America where built in Spartanburg SC not Germany. They aren't imported till you are in the higher end cars, except the 3 series wagon those are still built in Germany. Same thing applies to other foreign cars manufactured in the US. It's a well known fact in the auto business that quality control goes to hell when the manufacturing is brought to the US. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:10:07 AM EDT
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Last time I checked the krauts were making a lot of cars in Mexico and sending them here.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:15:57 AM EDT
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The Astra is an Opel product, not rebadged GM... Wholly owned subsidiary. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:16:16 AM EDT
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We should totally punish the car company that does this:
German carmakers employ about 33,000 workers in the United States and German automotive suppliers about 77,000 more... Or this: Around 65 percent of BMW's production from its factory in Spartanburg, South Carolina is exported overseas. BMW builds the X3, X4, X5 and X6 models in the United States. "It is surprising that Trump singles out the carmaker that exports more vehicles from the United States than any other manufacturer," Evercore ISI analysts said. A BMW spokeswoman said the planned plant in the central Mexican city of San Luis Potosi would build the BMW 3 Series from 2019, with the output intended for the world market. The plant would be an addition to existing 3 Series production facilities in Germany and China.
In June last year, BMW broke ground on the plant, pledging to invest $2.2 billion in Mexico by 2019 for annual production of 150,000 cars. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:20:12 AM EDT
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Germany should get it's cultural suicide under control before it lectures us on how to build cars.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:23:01 AM EDT
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Aren't the tariffs supposed to be on MEXICAN BUILT BMWs, not all BMWs? Yes, Mexico. There was a BMW plant in NC - is it still open? It built the SUV/crossover. A Mexican BMW is not the same as a German BMW. Just because the German s are also attempting to escape the high wages within Germany (or the non third world countries). |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:27:51 AM EDT
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When you have purchasing power like the US, you can bargain for certain things, like making the products close to home. No one is forcing them to build in the US. They can still build anywhere they want to in the world, but they'll be subject to tariffs, just like they tariff product coming in to their country.
ZFG. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:39:39 AM EDT
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But we need jobs here that illiterate Mexicans can do!
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:56:16 AM EDT
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Someone beat me to the import taxes regulations, and VAT.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:59:36 AM EDT
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Build more German car plants in the US for Mexicans to work in,everybody wins.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:03:25 AM EDT
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The Germans are real free market heroes: New German electric car subsidy excludes Tesla <font color="#252525">A car or other motor vehicle imported to Germany from outside the EU is normally subject to a 10% import duty and a 19% import value added tax</font> |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:04:18 AM EDT
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He must have forgotten about the whole Volkswagon scandal. That said, he might want to STFU. The only 'scandal' is that US emissions controls are 33% stricter than in the EU. They focus on mileage, we focus on emission output. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:06:42 AM EDT
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He's sort of right, you know.
American cars are shit. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:17:50 AM EDT
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The only 'scandal' is that US emissions controls are 33% stricter than in the EU. They focus on mileage, we focus on emission output. And our methodology is somewhat fucked. IIRC We measure in emissions per gallon. EU measures in emissions per mile. So a car that gets 100mpg and puts out 2 units of emissions is going to fail, but the car that gets 30mpg and puts out 1 unit of emissions is going to pass. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:18:07 AM EDT
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He's right. Tariffs = safe space for shitty products.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:26:04 AM EDT
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The Germans need to just their Kraut yaps.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:29:00 AM EDT
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Fuck German socialist politicians.
But this particular one is correct here... |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:31:32 AM EDT
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Well, he's not wrong.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:35:38 AM EDT
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You do realize the VW scandal is about emissions cheat that actually benefits the consumer, right? The cheat put in place violates the Federal emissions regulations by failing them but results in better fuel economy for the owners. To pass the emissions results in engine mapping that reduces fuel mileage..... As a Jetta TDI owner waiting for my buyback I am going to have to disagree that the failing federal emissions benefited me in the form of better fuel economy. The replacement I chose for my Jetta is a BMW 328d that also has a 2.0L diesel just like the Jetta only this one is emissions compliant, has more power(180 hp vs 140 hp), and is a heavier car with AWD yet gets better fuel economy than the Jetta. Evidently VW just didn't want to put the money into properly developing their diesel engine and decided cheating was the better option. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:38:56 AM EDT
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As a Jetta TDI owner waiting for my buyback I am going to have to disagree that the failing federal emissions benefited me in the form of better fuel economy. The replacement I chose for my Jetta is a BMW 328d that also has a 2.0L diesel just like the Jetta only this one is emissions compliant, has more power(180 hp vs 140 hp), and is a heavier car with AWD yet gets better fuel economy than the Jetta. Evidently VW just didn't want to put the money into properly developing their diesel engine and decided cheating was the better option. Why lick the boots? VW wasn't trying to cheat you. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:39:25 AM EDT
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The problem is the EPA...
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:48:35 AM EDT
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Lol, German Engineering is over Complicated rubbish.
If their cars were so good why are the resale values shit? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:49:30 AM EDT
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They are Reich.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:59:21 AM EDT
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You realize that Opel is owned by GM, right? Wholly owned subsidiary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Astra is an Opel product, not rebadged GM... Wholly owned subsidiary. Doesn't know that Opel-Vauxhall is a 100% GM product about 85% Engineered in Warren Michigan. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:01:43 PM EDT
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Why lick the boots? VW wasn't trying to cheat you. Neither was EO. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:02:11 PM EDT
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They are Reich. 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:04:31 PM EDT
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German cars may have a better fit and finish but they'll cost you more in repairs if you keep cars for a long time. After owning a POS Mercedes, I'll never own another German car. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:05:32 PM EDT
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You realize that Opel is owned by GM, right? Wholly owned subsidiary. Aaaaand? Ownership doesn't dictate where design or engineering takes place....only thing Astra has in common with GM is the chassis platform. Everything else is lead out of Europe. Powertrains in them are Opel AG designs too, no GM. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:06:15 PM EDT
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If the bread and butter market in Germany is for small diesel cars then what American maker has a vehicle for that niche?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:07:09 PM EDT
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We should totally punish the car company that does this: Or this: Quote HistoryQuoted:
We should totally punish the car company that does this: German carmakers employ about 33,000 workers in the United States and German automotive suppliers about 77,000 more... Or this: Around 65 percent of BMW's production from its factory in Spartanburg, South Carolina is exported overseas. BMW builds the X3, X4, X5 and X6 models in the United States. "It is surprising that Trump singles out the carmaker that exports more vehicles from the United States than any other manufacturer," Evercore ISI analysts said. A BMW spokeswoman said the planned plant in the central Mexican city of San Luis Potosi would build the BMW 3 Series from 2019, with the output intended for the world market. The plant would be an addition to existing 3 Series production facilities in Germany and China.
In June last year, BMW broke ground on the plant, pledging to invest $2.2 billion in Mexico by 2019 for annual production of 150,000 cars. This isn't the place for facts and rationality. 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:08:32 PM EDT
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That's because most BMWs you see in America where built in Spartanburg SC not Germany. They aren't imported till you are in the higher end cars, except the 3 series wagon those are still built in Germany. Same thing applies to other foreign cars manufactured in the US. It's a well known fact in the auto business that quality control goes to hell when the manufacturing is brought to the US. Then how come Hyundais built in AL or Fords built in MI are pretty damn reliable? It seems that the superior "German engineering" is the problem. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:15:30 PM EDT
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Then how come Hyundais built in AL or Fords built in MI are pretty damn reliable? It seems that the superior "German engineering" is the problem. Or for that matter, Acuras built in Maryville, OH. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:16:05 PM EDT
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I guess the 12,000 euro import duty on a $40,000 US car imported into Germany ain't shit?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:16:17 PM EDT
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Why lick the boots? VW wasn't trying to cheat you. Lick the boots? Hardly, VW is being forced to buy my car back for nearly exactly what I paid for it 2.5 years ago. I get to drive a car depreciation free for 2.5 years and get a good excuse to upgrade to a better car. Why wouldn't I take the deal? |
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