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Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:18:23 PM EDT
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He's the same one who destroyed whole cities in the old testament.
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There were these two cities, right.   Sodom and Gomorrah.   Sodom was named for Sodomy.   And Gomorrah... well, trust me, you don't want to know what that city was named for...
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If Rick believes and follows the Bible, he knows that his homosexual daughter will be Lost for eternity unless she repents (turns away) from her sin..  It sounds like he's trying all he can to save her from eternal damnation.

Society's narrative of today puts the sinner in the right and the person trying to get them to leave their sin in the wrong is branded as intolerant and backwards.
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Because Jesus said "thou shalt stone the fags", right?   Oh wait, no, that's some other religion.

Judging someone based on their orientation goes against pretty much everything that Jesus taught.   And I'm pretty sure that judgement is reserved for God and God alone.   It's up to us to treat each other as neighbors.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:21:40 PM EDT
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Pedophiles have victims...who is the victim here???

To me, as a christian, I believe that God doesn't make stupid laws. I can not find any reason to view homosexuality as a sin, beyond a few passages of leviticus, the bulk of which I feel no need to adhere to. Can someone explain WHY homosexuality is a sin, beyond citing a passage. 
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Since you asked, the bible is filled with statements against homosexuality, both in the old and new testament. 30 years ago almost everybody in America considered it a grave perversion. An Intense media blitz over the last few decades, sent to you by the same people who brought us Obama, John Podesta, gun control, and every other liberal cause, has essentially brainwashed the population into seeing it as totally normal and even worse cool. Furthermore, these forces have labeled anyone who disagrees a hateful bigot. Christianity and post modern thought are mutually exclusive. Many churches have Incorporated post modern thought, omitting inconvenient truths, in the hopes of maintaining membership and to try to stave off spiteful media attacks. They deceive no one but themselves. Its better that they not pretend to practice Christianity than it is to practice a perverted version of it. Judgement will be worse for these people.

The bible tells people to repent from sin. A Kleptomaniac christian should feel remorse. A christian adulterer should feel remorse. A homosexual christian should feel remorse.
Every person lives with a inner weakness or burden, be it lust, greed, envy, sloth, pride, hate. Homosexuality is just a manifestation of this, a burden to those afflicted with it, just the same as any other.  
Any unrepentant sin, be it sexual or otherwise, separates you from the holy spirit and god. A person separated from god will never understand this. They have been snared by evil forces. The only antidote or cure is turning back to gods word.

As to why you should not support homosexuality? Well because you are supporting liberal propoganda! That is exactly what it is. Unlike other movements they financed, this one was very successful. So successful that liberal strategists use it as a template for every liberal cause. BLM, Socialism, climate change, universal health care, gun control are all pushed the same way and financed by the same people as normalizing homosexuality was. Liberal propaganda that stuck and has reshaped America.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:28:31 PM EDT
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You definitely weaken your argument with comments like that, especially when you go to great lengths to defend Muslims at every turn.  Self-hating European at his best.
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Ah, now the pigeon holing.  Where I am coming from is written clearly above.

How's about you argue the point, not the man?


You were more than happy to start arguing the man when you inferred I was a coward and invited me to crawl back under my rock.

As to the point, it's been made.  "This Sayeth the Lord."

Peace and may God Bless you.


The Lord sayeth fuck all.


The point has not been made.  So before you slither off in apparent retreat, I'll clarify.

I asked you to step up and argue the point with me, without hiding behind scripture. Either that OR crawl back under your rock.

The choice was therefore yours, and remains yours.


You definitely weaken your argument with comments like that, especially when you go to great lengths to defend Muslims at every turn.  Self-hating European at his best.


Self hate is a clear and obvious sign you're dealing with a leftist.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:28:46 PM EDT
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Leviticus 20:13   If a man also lie with    mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an    abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be    upon them.

God tell us to kill gays.  You should read more and post less.
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He is not that bright if true.  


live by the 10 C's........ they don't say anything about f/f  m/m


I don't car is someone is gay, purple, etc. .  only peeps I have an issue with are pedos, rapists, murderers, thieves, and people that cant control their violent tendencies that hurt others for no reason.

this does not mean if you are way hipster.....or a tranny in a clown suit.......... I'm not going to laugh at you.  I will......... cause that shit is funny.
Leviticus 20:13   If a man also lie with    mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an    abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be    upon them.

God tell us to kill gays.  You should read more and post less.


And based on that seems like it's only male homosexuals we're supposed to kill.  Clearly, God is ok with hot girl on girl action.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:31:28 PM EDT
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Yes. I've tried. I'm pretty good at it. It's fun for one time. But I can't have actual relationships with girls because it's nothing like my attraction to men. I could fake being gay, but I'd always be yearning for men. Because I'm straight.
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Pics or it didn't happen?
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:32:44 PM EDT
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I don't see why this is anyone's business but that of Rick and his family.

AL dot cum likes to rabble rouse and bring up stupid liberal bullshit.  Rick's daughter is a liberal too.  No doubt she brought this up as some social justice issue.

Back when Trump's "Grab 'em by the pussy" controversy emerged, AL dot cum went to all of this trouble to post that they stood by Hillary and that Donald Trump was just an evil, awful person who didn't belong in the White House.

As far as I'm concerned each and every one of those liberal shitheads that pose as "journalists" on there need a swift kick in the balls.
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As I understand it (based upon reading some of the comments in the al.com article), rick has been talking about his daughter's issue publicly in various churches whenever he gives his personal testimony and he was doing it without her permission so she decided to write this op-ed on al.com as a way to get her side of the story out on this.

While I understand rick's personal convictions, I think he messed up by shunning her and basically turning what should have remained a private family matter into an issue which is now being discussed publicly by all sorts of strangers (including here in GD).

Lastly, hate the sin but love the sinner. Rejection won't heal any wounds----only genuine love will.
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When will Rick Burgess repent of his sin and go back to his original marriage (to his still living ex-wife)? Let no man break apart what "God" has put together.
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And that is the point  (yes I know you are being sarcastic).  All of us are damned because we all sin.  Through salvation, we are saved.  Look into what it takes to be saved, and apply often.  However, acceptance of sinful practices is not part of it.


When will Rick Burgess repent of his sin and go back to his original marriage (to his still living ex-wife)? Let no man break apart what "God" has put together.



Somewhat of a straw man argument.  I'm not going to defend the man and his sins.  I'm simpling stating what it takes to be forgiven.  


It is worth noting there is only 1 unforgivable sin, per the bible.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 9:40:05 PM EDT
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Fuck that guy , blood is blood
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LOL
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I understand your position right up to the bit in red.

After that, it goes awry for me.  Here's why.....

You state your personal belief is that homosexuality is a sin.   You then go on to contradict that by saying you only believe this because 2 Corinthians says so.  So...it is not your belief at all.  It is what you have been told to believe by whichever person told you to believe it. "The bible says" and you follow.

The father in the story may be of the same view as you, or not, but he is definitely not trying to save is daughter.  If he is rejecting her because he cannot handle her position and he is using the excuse of scripture to take away the responsibility he has for making that decision, then his actions can only be deemed cowardly and weak.  One of the biggest decisions he may make in his life, and he is deferring responsibility.

Now....it is indeed his right to do that if he chooses. But that doesn't make it the right decision for the right reasons. If he has made the decision based upon a supposed instruction in the bible, then it is a crap decision based on a crap reason, and one that could cost him and his daughter dearly.

It is also his daughter's right to choose her path, as you say.  However, you assume that her sexuality is a conscious choice.  That may be the case to some degree but a predisposition to homosexuality is no more easily turned than if you were to try and make a conscious decision to be gay.

The daughter may, from your perspective, be flawed in her sexual orientation, but might be a perfect christian in all other aspects of her life.

Do you therefore ostracise her otherwise flawless Christian self because of her one "sin"?    Because if you do there's going to be some pretty fucking big gaps in the queue for heaven because I've yet to meet a single Christian who isn't a bit flaky around the edges in some way.

Even the Bible points out that people cannot be perfect in every way and nor does God expect them to be.

So how do you reconcile that with the unforgiving dismissal of your own daughter, the destruction of your relationship since she was born, and the dismissal of her from your life and still believe that you have somehow acted in a Christian manner?  It's a wholly destructive and selfish position to take.

I'd rather face judgement safe in the knowledge that I loved and supported my kids, and was by their side through thick and thin even if I did not always agree with their choices.
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I've sort of made this quote from the movie Rudy, my own over the years.  It expresses my belief on many different subjects, including this one.    

"I have come to believe in two hard incontrovertible facts: 1) There is a God, and 2) I'm not Him."

What people do, is ultimately between them and God.  If they chose badly, then they'll have to live (or die) with the consequences.  In any case, I'm not God. It's not up to me.  

Now, my personal belief is that homosexuality is a sin.  2nd Corinthians states that homosexuals will not inherit God's kingdom.  That's what I believe.  It also seems to be  what the Father in this story believes.  He believes in the Bible as the word of God, and he knows what the Bible says on the matter of homosexuality.  He sincerely believes he is trying to save his daughter. That is his right.  As it is his daughters right to choose her own path.



I understand your position right up to the bit in red.

After that, it goes awry for me.  Here's why.....

You state your personal belief is that homosexuality is a sin.   You then go on to contradict that by saying you only believe this because 2 Corinthians says so.  So...it is not your belief at all.  It is what you have been told to believe by whichever person told you to believe it. "The bible says" and you follow.

The father in the story may be of the same view as you, or not, but he is definitely not trying to save is daughter.  If he is rejecting her because he cannot handle her position and he is using the excuse of scripture to take away the responsibility he has for making that decision, then his actions can only be deemed cowardly and weak.  One of the biggest decisions he may make in his life, and he is deferring responsibility.

Now....it is indeed his right to do that if he chooses. But that doesn't make it the right decision for the right reasons. If he has made the decision based upon a supposed instruction in the bible, then it is a crap decision based on a crap reason, and one that could cost him and his daughter dearly.

It is also his daughter's right to choose her path, as you say.  However, you assume that her sexuality is a conscious choice.  That may be the case to some degree but a predisposition to homosexuality is no more easily turned than if you were to try and make a conscious decision to be gay.

The daughter may, from your perspective, be flawed in her sexual orientation, but might be a perfect christian in all other aspects of her life.

Do you therefore ostracise her otherwise flawless Christian self because of her one "sin"?    Because if you do there's going to be some pretty fucking big gaps in the queue for heaven because I've yet to meet a single Christian who isn't a bit flaky around the edges in some way.

Even the Bible points out that people cannot be perfect in every way and nor does God expect them to be.

So how do you reconcile that with the unforgiving dismissal of your own daughter, the destruction of your relationship since she was born, and the dismissal of her from your life and still believe that you have somehow acted in a Christian manner?  It's a wholly destructive and selfish position to take.

I'd rather face judgement safe in the knowledge that I loved and supported my kids, and was by their side through thick and thin even if I did not always agree with their choices.


Very well said.

Its nice to read, amidst the noise and haste, an eloquent, passionate and logical statement of values that should lie at the core of every human.
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What utter nonsense. A parent who would shun their own child because of what some Bronze Age fairy tale says, isn't much of a parent to begin with.
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Jesus was Iron Age Bronze Age ended like in 1000 BC.
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FPNI...OP is a troll.
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to most people history began on the day they were born.
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There is NO man without sin.  That is no excuse to sin, however, if someone is doing something that dosen't hurt others physically or financially, NO man should judge them for there is only One judge, and ALL our time will come.

If my boys were to tell me they're gay, I'd love them no less.

Too many times people use the Bible on how THEY interpret the written words of "God inspired" man to suite their own beliefs.
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Callin' lots of names, ain't ya?...
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modus operandi.  He thinks as he does...and believes we should do the same.
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double tap
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wow...our views of God, Mercy, and Love are quite different.

Glad Jesus didn't just give the finger to a bunch of sinners and say GTFO.
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If Rick believes and follows the Bible, he knows that his homosexual daughter will be Lost for eternity unless she repents (turns away) from her sin..  It sounds like he's trying all he can to save her from eternal damnation.

Society's narrative of today puts the sinner in the right and the person trying to get them to leave their sin in the wrong is branded as intolerant and backwards.


wow...our views of God, Mercy, and Love are quite different.

Glad Jesus didn't just give the finger to a bunch of sinners and say GTFO.


No, He just told them to go and sin no more......and He did talk about hell and how easy it  was to go there.....but stay on your "lurv" trip if it gives you good feels....

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Who's he trolling?
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:00:00 PM EDT
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I have a son who is gay. It's not my place to judge him, or try to make him 'repent' of his homosexuality.  He's going to have to face God's judgement all on his own, in due course.  He's well aware of this, and stands firm.  He affirms that he is who he is, and he will not be false to appease those who claim themselves to be more holy than he.

It's my place to offer advice, to offer guidance, to offer emotional support, and to love him in spite of what some would call his flaws, or his wicked, sinful ways.

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You have exactly half the story...but convict all the same.....I have a "gay" daughter...and she has been nothing short of an ass to her parents..because we are conservative Christians...never once did we condemn or reject...she did that.
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modus operandi.  He thinks as he does...and believes we should do the same.
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Callin' lots of names, ain't ya?...


modus operandi.  He thinks as he does...and believes we should do the same.


So are you going to step up, or are you just going to sit on the sidelines flinging poop and "deferring"?
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Leviticus 20:13   If a man also lie with    mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an    abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be    upon them.

God tell us to kill gays.  You should read more and post less.
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He is not that bright if true.  


live by the 10 C's........ they don't say anything about f/f  m/m


I don't car is someone is gay, purple, etc. .  only peeps I have an issue with are pedos, rapists, murderers, thieves, and people that cant control their violent tendencies that hurt others for no reason.

this does not mean if you are way hipster.....or a tranny in a clown suit.......... I'm not going to laugh at you.  I will......... cause that shit is funny.
Leviticus 20:13   If a man also lie with    mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an    abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be    upon them.

God tell us to kill gays.  You should read more and post less.


"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Numbers 15:32-36

Inshallah.
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I don't like nor understand the disdain and outright hatred of middle eastern religions towards lgbt people. The Bible and Quran both call for killing gays for instance. As a result, anyone who interprets either of those books as the literal word of God makes me very nervous.
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Bunch of Saudis up in GD with all the religious extremism and whatnot.


OPs troll account? Wait, can trolls have troll accounts?

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Not the OP nor trolling. Just disagreeing with religious fundamentalism as displayed in this thread and calling it out for what it is.



Curious....what exactly do you have a problem with?  Feel free to quote my contributions. I am genuinely curious.


I don't like nor understand the disdain and outright hatred of middle eastern religions towards lgbt people. The Bible and Quran both call for killing gays for instance. As a result, anyone who interprets either of those books as the literal word of God makes me very nervous.



Well first, I will not comment on Islam.  

Here is a pretty good article/explanation on what you mentioned.

http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/homo.php


While I haven't read many other articles from that site, this one seems to explain it well.
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Because Jesus said "thou shalt stone the fags", right?   Oh wait, no, that's some other religion.

Judging someone based on their orientation goes against pretty much everything that Jesus taught.   And I'm pretty sure that judgement is reserved for God and God alone.   It's up to us to treat each other as neighbors.
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If Rick believes and follows the Bible, he knows that his homosexual daughter will be Lost for eternity unless she repents (turns away) from her sin..  It sounds like he's trying all he can to save her from eternal damnation.

Society's narrative of today puts the sinner in the right and the person trying to get them to leave their sin in the wrong is branded as intolerant and backwards.


Because Jesus said "thou shalt stone the fags", right?   Oh wait, no, that's some other religion.

Judging someone based on their orientation goes against pretty much everything that Jesus taught.   And I'm pretty sure that judgement is reserved for God and God alone.   It's up to us to treat each other as neighbors.



Sorry, but wrong. Read up on righteous judgement. I posted a few things last page about it.
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You have exactly half the story...but convict all the same.....I have a "gay" daughter...and she has been nothing short of an ass to her parents..because we are conservative Christians...never once did we condemn or reject...she did that.
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I have a son who is gay. It's not my place to judge him, or try to make him 'repent' of his homosexuality.  He's going to have to face God's judgement all on his own, in due course.  He's well aware of this, and stands firm.  He affirms that he is who he is, and he will not be false to appease those who claim themselves to be more holy than he.

It's my place to offer advice, to offer guidance, to offer emotional support, and to love him in spite of what some would call his flaws, or his wicked, sinful ways.

Mr Burgess is a dick of the highest order.


You have exactly half the story...but convict all the same.....I have a "gay" daughter...and she has been nothing short of an ass to her parents..because we are conservative Christians...never once did we condemn or reject...she did that.


Different thing.

You claim you daughter rejected you because you are a conservative Christian.

The story in the article is that the father rejected the daughter, with the discussion centering on the proclamation by your buddy that he was justified in doing so because the bible says so.

It is a discussion around the principles of rejecting your child, rather than the specifics of their relationship.
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C-4 is just a bitter shit-bird who is still smarting from the last time He made a cockwomble of himself in a discussion.....or maybe it was the time before that.

He's basically nothing more than a semi-articulate shaved ape who has retreated to the back of his cage of ignorance to fling poop at those he feels inferior to.  

He can't help himself. Pitiful bastard.
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Self hate is a clear and obvious sign you're dealing with a leftist.


C-4 is just a bitter shit-bird who is still smarting from the last time He made a cockwomble of himself in a discussion.....or maybe it was the time before that.

He's basically nothing more than a semi-articulate shaved ape who has retreated to the back of his cage of ignorance to fling poop at those he feels inferior to.  

He can't help himself. Pitiful bastard.


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There is one aspect of this that gets lost in the shuffle. I will frame this with:
1 Cor 7:1-2 7-9
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
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7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, bone of one kind and one of another.
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that cit is good for them to remain single, as I am. 9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, ethey should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

We all have a sexual nature and drives. Paul clearly points out that celibacy is to be encouraged, even celebrated. Paul laments wishing everyone could stay celibate as he has, but obviously that's not possible, nor (clearly) is it God's plan.

What gets lost in these types of discussions is the focus on behavior. The passage above doesn't say sexual passion is a sin. It says its a burden. It's not sinful to be attracted to someone or people of the same sex, its a sin to act upon that desire. Its the BEHAVIOR that's a sin, not the disposition.

To the OP, if the daughter (an adult) has taken an open stance to embrace a sinful lifestyle, no matter the type, it's incumbent on any believer to speak truth into her life and stand on the principles God lays out in his Word. If she wants to openly pursue same-sex relationships and disregard the wisdom of her parents, it's their responsibility to rebuke and do whatever is necessary to protect the integrity of their witness.

Having homosexual desires is no more an excuse to sin than having extramarital sexual desires. The world wants you to feel the "plight" of the "oppressed", but the Bible sees no distinction - marriage is M+F, sex outside marriage is a sin, and a life of unrepentant sin suggests a broken relationship with the Holy God.
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Self hate is a clear and obvious sign you're dealing with a leftist.


C-4 is just a bitter shit-bird who is still smarting from the last time He made a cockwomble of himself in a discussion.....or maybe it was the time before that.

He's basically nothing more than a semi-articulate shaved ape who has retreated to the back of his cage of ignorance to fling poop at those he feels inferior to.  

He can't help himself. Pitiful bastard.


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Good for you.
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so your story is identical to that of the woman in the OP.  you both are claiming to be completely rejected by a judgmental 2nd party who refuses to accept your moral position.  

or are you only telling us half the story. and the situation is more complicated than you are describing?
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You better stop it, or I'm telling!
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You better stop it, or I'm telling!
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Good for you.


You better stop it, or I'm telling!


I kid you not.....that is what he does.

Comes in trying to be all edgy, gets flamed, and then runs to Staff whining.  

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Flagged for personal attack.
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Self hate is a clear and obvious sign you're dealing with a leftist.


C-4 is just a bitter shit-bird who is still smarting from the last time He made a cockwomble of himself in a discussion.....or maybe it was the time before that.

He's basically nothing more than a semi-articulate shaved ape who has retreated to the back of his cage of ignorance to fling poop at those he feels inferior to.  

He can't help himself. Pitiful bastard.


Flagged for personal attack.


Run, get the teacher...he needs an adult!

Fucking pathetic.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:21:16 PM EDT
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Good for you.
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come on man--that was over the line and you know it.
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come on man--that was over the line and you know it.
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Yeah, but it was funny and nothing was hurt but feels.


Hehe.   Butt feels.   Heh.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:25:31 PM EDT
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come on man--that was over the line and you know it.
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Good for you.


come on man--that was over the line and you know it.


I don't believe it was.

It was an eloquent dismissal of his frequent attempts to troll for a negative response.

I even posted a smilie for him so he knew it was tongue in cheek.

Maybe he gets "offended" easily and thinks it's "hate speech".  I dunno.   He sure likes to run off to mods whenever he gets a bit back though.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:28:13 PM EDT
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I don't care who you are.   Cockwomble is an outstanding insult.  I don't even know what it's supposed to mean.   It just feels like champagne on my tongue.

Cockwomble.   Makes me want to get in a soccer hooligan fight.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:28:30 PM EDT
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Since you asked, the bible is filled with statements against homosexuality, both in the old and new testament. 30 years ago almost everybody in America considered it a grave perversion. An Intense media blitz over the last few decades, sent to you by the same people who brought us Obama, John Podesta, gun control, and every other liberal cause, has essentially brainwashed the population into seeing it as totally normal and even worse cool. Furthermore, these forces have labeled anyone who disagrees a hateful bigot. Christianity and post modern thought are mutually exclusive. Many churches have Incorporated post modern thought, omitting inconvenient truths, in the hopes of maintaining membership and to try to stave off spiteful media attacks. They deceive no one but themselves. Its better that they not pretend to practice Christianity than it is to practice a perverted version of it. Judgement will be worse for these people.

The bible tells people to repent from sin. A Kleptomaniac christian should feel remorse. A christian adulterer should feel remorse. A homosexual christian should feel remorse.
Every person lives with a inner weakness or burden, be it lust, greed, envy, sloth, pride, hate. Homosexuality is just a manifestation of this, a burden to those afflicted with it, just the same as any other.  
Any unrepentant sin, be it sexual or otherwise, separates you from the holy spirit and god. A person separated from god will never understand this. They have been snared by evil forces. The only antidote or cure is turning back to gods word.

As to why you should not support homosexuality? Well because you are supporting liberal propoganda! That is exactly what it is. Unlike other movements they financed, this one was very successful. So successful that liberal strategists use it as a template for every liberal cause. BLM, Socialism, climate change, universal health care, gun control are all pushed the same way and financed by the same people as normalizing homosexuality was. Liberal propaganda that stuck and has reshaped America.
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Pedophiles have victims...who is the victim here???

To me, as a christian, I believe that God doesn't make stupid laws. I can not find any reason to view homosexuality as a sin, beyond a few passages of leviticus, the bulk of which I feel no need to adhere to. Can someone explain WHY homosexuality is a sin, beyond citing a passage. 


Since you asked, the bible is filled with statements against homosexuality, both in the old and new testament. 30 years ago almost everybody in America considered it a grave perversion. An Intense media blitz over the last few decades, sent to you by the same people who brought us Obama, John Podesta, gun control, and every other liberal cause, has essentially brainwashed the population into seeing it as totally normal and even worse cool. Furthermore, these forces have labeled anyone who disagrees a hateful bigot. Christianity and post modern thought are mutually exclusive. Many churches have Incorporated post modern thought, omitting inconvenient truths, in the hopes of maintaining membership and to try to stave off spiteful media attacks. They deceive no one but themselves. Its better that they not pretend to practice Christianity than it is to practice a perverted version of it. Judgement will be worse for these people.

The bible tells people to repent from sin. A Kleptomaniac christian should feel remorse. A christian adulterer should feel remorse. A homosexual christian should feel remorse.
Every person lives with a inner weakness or burden, be it lust, greed, envy, sloth, pride, hate. Homosexuality is just a manifestation of this, a burden to those afflicted with it, just the same as any other.  
Any unrepentant sin, be it sexual or otherwise, separates you from the holy spirit and god. A person separated from god will never understand this. They have been snared by evil forces. The only antidote or cure is turning back to gods word.

As to why you should not support homosexuality? Well because you are supporting liberal propoganda! That is exactly what it is. Unlike other movements they financed, this one was very successful. So successful that liberal strategists use it as a template for every liberal cause. BLM, Socialism, climate change, universal health care, gun control are all pushed the same way and financed by the same people as normalizing homosexuality was. Liberal propaganda that stuck and has reshaped America.



Another good post.  


To the first poster in that quote, your last paragraph is enlightening.  You say YOU cannot see how homosexuality is a sin, and YOU cannot see how God would create stupid laws.  It's not your place to decide....it's God's. We are people, fallible and sinful.  Someone else might say the exact same paragraph about stealing.  We do not get to pick and choose which parts of the Bible we like and believe.  At least not without consequences.
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SO if your child is a pedophile, you're OK with that, too?
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No it sounds like he's a dick.

Any god who wants me to throw out my own children isn't worthy of praise.

However, I suspect that God wouldn't want that.  

Ergo the man who makes the decision to put a book before his child is a monumental fucking idiot.


SO if your child is a pedophile, you're OK with that, too?


You have managed to insert a false analogy AND a straw man argument into one short sentence.

The false analogy is that Homosexuality and Pedophilia are morally equivalent.  They are not.  Pedophiles have victims and who suffer severe emotional and sometimes physical injuries as a result of their crimes.  Homosexuals are at great risk of interior design careers and generating entertaining stereotypes in media.

The straw man argument is that someone who wouldn't cast their child out is necessarily accepting of their behavior and choices.  I've known plenty of gay people whose parents did not approve but still kept them as unconditionally loved full members of the family.  Clearly this piece of shit doesn't understand the concept of "Love the sinner, not the sin".
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Man, that guy is a dick.  In before people show up and want to crucify his daughter.



Yep


This all the way
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:32:07 PM EDT
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SO if your child is a pedophile, you're OK with that, too?
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No it sounds like he's a dick.

Any god who wants me to throw out my own children isn't worthy of praise.

However, I suspect that God wouldn't want that.  

Ergo the man who makes the decision to put a book before his child is a monumental fucking idiot.


SO if your child is a pedophile, you're OK with that, too?


Also we're now comparing homosexuality to pedophilia...Really
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:32:54 PM EDT
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I don't care who you are.   Cockwomble is an outstanding insult.  I don't even know what it's supposed to mean.   It just feels like champagne on my tongue.

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I don't even think it's that insulting to be honest.

If you called me a cockwomble I'd probably just laugh.
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"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

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The Sabbath was a picture of the rest we have now in Christ. This passages is telling us that willfully refusing the rest in Christ leads to judgement and death. That's at least this Christian's assessment of the event considering the OT points to Christ. 

It does not, however, tell us what the man may have done later in life had he lived, given that he didn't really care for this command, what others would have he disregarded? No idea; however, the breakdown of the Commandments of God may have led to a chain of events that caused even more suffering. Bottom line though, in order to know what God knows to be able to judge Him rightly, we'd have to be God, and thus it's silly in it's premise. Although, not as silly as trying to judge God for murder when you can't tell me murder is wrong without God. 
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If Rick believes and follows the Bible, he knows that his homosexual daughter will be Lost for eternity unless she repents (turns away) from her sin..  It sounds like he's trying all he can to save her from eternal damnation.

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Actually, society's narrative doesn't put them in the right,  your religion puts them in the wrong

Eta: and when his daughter made a pro gay social media post did he text her "I fear for your soul"?  No, he texted what basically amounted to "you're making me look bad"
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I listen to Rick's show most mornings on the way to work. They are locals. I don't know him personally, but from listening to the show and things I've heard from people who do know him, he used to be a real jackass. Drinking problem and general bad behavior. He got divorced from his first wife (this girl's mother) and you'll hear various rumors as to why. I think he got super into fundamental evangelical Christianity after he married his second wife. Seems like she got him into it, but I'm not sure. 

He has a big ministry program and does a lot of speaking and appearances. I would guess he does quite well financially. They had a 2 year old son that drowned in their pool several years ago. That has become a major part of his ministry, as I'm sure his unrepentant gay daughter will. He believes that God took his son so that he and his family could show people the "right" way to accept and deal with a child's death. The way that God wants. He gets into all sorts of religious topics on his show.  I've heard him explain how Noah was able to bring dinosaurs onto the ark. 

On Friday, the morning the article came out, he and his wife got on the air and just basically tried to get out in front of it. Telling their side of it all. He essentially said they still loved her, but they were done with her until she repents, i.e. stops being gay. He said she'll eventually come back after her life is ruined and she's all alone. They don't care if she's happy, they just want her to repent so she won't go to hell. Like the situation with his son, God is doing this so that he can show other people how to handle it the right way. 

He can believe what he wants, and I respect his dedication and devotion to it. But people like him are the reason I have very little use for church and organized religion. 
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I listen to Rick's show most mornings on the way to work. They are locals. I don't know him personally, but from listening to the show and things I've heard from people who do know him, he used to be a real jackass. Drinking problem and general bad behavior. He got divorced from his first wife (this girl's mother) and you'll hear various rumors as to why. I think he got super into fundamental evangelical Christianity after he married his second wife. Seems like she got him into it, but I'm not sure. 

He has a big ministry program and does a lot of speaking and appearances. I would guess he does quite well financially. They had a 2 year old son that drowned in their pool several years ago. That has become a major part of his ministry, as I'm sure his unrepentant gay daughter will. He believes that God took his son so that he and his family could show people the "right" way to accept and deal with a child's death. The way that God wants. He gets into all sorts of religious topics on his show.  I've heard him explain how Noah was able to bring dinosaurs onto the ark. 

On Friday, the morning the article came out, he and his wife got on the air and just basically tried to get out in front of it. Telling their side of it all. He essentially said they still loved her, but they were done with her until she repents, i.e. stops being gay. He said she'll eventually come back after her life is ruined and she's all alone. They don't care if she's happy, they just want her to repent so she won't go to hell. Like the situation with his son, God is doing this so that he can show other people how to handle it the right way. 

He can believe what he wants, and I respect his dedication and devotion to it. But people like him are the reason I have very little use for church and organized religion. 
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He was a dirtbag as a young man. His first wife was a superb person. Deserved much better than him. I'll leave it at that.

ETA: Bubba Bussey has always been a kind and good person, as were his parents.
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you can love and support your children while praying for them. you don't cast them away and publicly disown them on the air. it was a classless act. i have never been a rick and bubba fan. this pretty much told me all i need to know about him and his faith.
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If Rick believes and follows the Bible, he knows that his homosexual daughter will be Lost for eternity unless she repents (turns away) from her sin..  It sounds like he's trying all he can to save her from eternal damnation.

Society's narrative of today puts the sinner in the right and the person trying to get them to leave their sin in the wrong is branded as intolerant and backwards.

you can love and support your children while praying for them. you don't cast them away and publicly disown them on the air. it was a classless act. i have never been a rick and bubba fan. this pretty much told me all i need to know about him and his faith.


Yep.  He forgot the love part that makes Christianity different from other faiths.
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I listen to Rick's show most mornings on the way to work. They are locals. I don't know him personally, but from listening to the show and things I've heard from people who do know him, he used to be a real jackass. Drinking problem and general bad behavior. He got divorced from his first wife (this girl's mother) and you'll hear various rumors as to why. I think he got super into fundamental evangelical Christianity after he married his second wife. Seems like she got him into it, but I'm not sure. 

He has a big ministry program and does a lot of speaking and appearances. I would guess he does quite well financially. They had a 2 year old son that drowned in their pool several years ago. That has become a major part of his ministry, as I'm sure his unrepentant gay daughter will. He believes that God took his son so that he and his family could show people the "right" way to accept and deal with a child's death. The way that God wants. He gets into all sorts of religious topics on his show.  I've heard him explain how Noah was able to bring dinosaurs onto the ark. 

On Friday, the morning the article came out, he and his wife got on the air and just basically tried to get out in front of it. Telling their side of it all. He essentially said they still loved her, but they were done with her until she repents, i.e. stops being gay. He said she'll eventually come back after her life is ruined and she's all alone. They don't care if she's happy, they just want her to repent so she won't go to hell. Like the situation with his son, God is doing this so that he can show other people how to handle it the right way. 

He can believe what he wants, and I respect his dedication and devotion to it. But people like him are the reason I have very little use for church and organized religion. 
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I'm still not sure which part of this I find more strange

The "how Noah got dinosaurs onto the ark" part

Or

The "God drowned my 2 year old as a learning experience" part
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He was a dirtbag as a young man. His first wife was a superb person. Deserved much better than him. I'll leave it at that.

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That matches up with everything I've heard.

I do like Bubba. He seems very genuine. 
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