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Link Posted: 1/3/2017 8:48:15 PM EDT
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New front wing design looks super fragile.
Link Posted: 1/4/2017 6:56:58 AM EDT
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W08 coming February 23

Link Posted: 1/4/2017 10:21:40 AM EDT
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Hmmm wonder if they'll believe me if I claim that I'm Jeremy Clarkson.
Link Posted: 1/4/2017 1:11:41 PM EDT
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From the 2016 thread:

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Wow... I totally get the whole pay-your-own-way deal with teams just barely scraping by.  But it totally cheapens the whole thing, and frankly... even if the kid was Max v2.0, I'd still have issues with giving him full respect with that kind of complete rich kid pay-to-play buy-in.
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Welcome to motorsport.  It's all pay to play, just less noticeable with more established drivers because their sponsors foot the bill.  
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Naw... I really can't compare the pay-to-play at the teams just scraping by, "employing" drivers whose parents (or countries) pretty much bought them into the sport... with the big teams who hire drivers who've fully-earned their ride. I get the sponsorship draw and factor for all of the teams, but we're talking about two different things. Crashtor was the kind of pay-to-play I was referring to.
Link Posted: 1/4/2017 1:14:52 PM EDT
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Which teams do you all predict will be able to best capitalize on the new technical regulations? 

I haven't really taken the time to closely analyze the changes.

I'm hoping that at least Red Bull and Ferrari will be able to fight Mercedes for wins every race weekend.  If Williams and Force India can get in there and fight for some wins, that would be great too!

I'm a Ferrari guy deep down, but I like to see real competition from as many teams as possible. 

I think it was 2011 or 12 when we saw 7 different drivers win the first 7 races.  That was great to watch.
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Ditto to ALL of your post.

And yeah... I wanna see Ferrari get off their ass and be competitive again!
Link Posted: 1/4/2017 1:16:55 PM EDT
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In on 1 and for Hamiltons 4th championship
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Uhhgggggggg....
Link Posted: 1/4/2017 1:25:27 PM EDT
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And you dont post any of the cool shit about the setup =p


So, from what I gather the Merc hydraulic springs can store the energy from traveling and release it more precisely to keep the car low and flat.  It's an energy recapture suspension and it is fucking brilliant.  So, of course the FIA will ban it.  Why wouldnt they.  They are the same jokers that claimed FRICs was a moveable aerodynamic device.  Never mind that their justification meant they could in theory BAN BRAKES.

"1) displacement in a direction opposed to the applied load over some or all of its travel, regardless of the source of the stored energy used
to achieve this.
Or
2) a means by which some of the energy recovered from the forces and displacements at the wheel can be stored for release at a later time to
extend a spring seat or other parts of the suspension assembly whose
movement is not defined by the principally vertical suspension travel of
the two wheels."

Concerning number 1:  So, how about they ban dampers?  Seeing as how they are a more stone age yet well refined device that displaces in a direction opposed to applied load over some or all of it's travel.  All Merc did was design a very trick 'delayed recoil action'. 

2) So basically, they dont want the teams to be able to very precisely (and mechanically) control each corner of the car.  Lol may as well say you can't have space age passive suspension. 
Yes, I know they are storing the suspension energy in hydraulic fluid to be released at times that the chassis needs to be controlled more vigorously.

This will be in road cars.  It is a brilliant system and will be yet another OEM tech that is banned in F1.
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And you dont post any of the cool shit about the setup =p


So, from what I gather the Merc hydraulic springs can store the energy from traveling and release it more precisely to keep the car low and flat.  It's an energy recapture suspension and it is fucking brilliant.  So, of course the FIA will ban it.  Why wouldnt they.  They are the same jokers that claimed FRICs was a moveable aerodynamic device.  Never mind that their justification meant they could in theory BAN BRAKES.

"1) displacement in a direction opposed to the applied load over some or all of its travel, regardless of the source of the stored energy used
to achieve this.
Or
2) a means by which some of the energy recovered from the forces and displacements at the wheel can be stored for release at a later time to
extend a spring seat or other parts of the suspension assembly whose
movement is not defined by the principally vertical suspension travel of
the two wheels."

Concerning number 1:  So, how about they ban dampers?  Seeing as how they are a more stone age yet well refined device that displaces in a direction opposed to applied load over some or all of it's travel.  All Merc did was design a very trick 'delayed recoil action'. 

2) So basically, they dont want the teams to be able to very precisely (and mechanically) control each corner of the car.  Lol may as well say you can't have space age passive suspension. 
Yes, I know they are storing the suspension energy in hydraulic fluid to be released at times that the chassis needs to be controlled more vigorously.

This will be in road cars.  It is a brilliant system and will be yet another OEM tech that is banned in F1.



I friggin' HATE Merc with every fiber of my being (like I HATE the Patriots)...

But yeah... I hate the fact that Formula ONE has become Formula BORING over the past several years. Part of that boredom is caused by one team's dominance, but IMO a bigger part of it is related to the fact that the FIA is a joke who seems to be doing everything they can to hamstring/LIMIT/dumb-down the sport, as well as their seemingly inconsistent application of the rules during races. I'm tired of it. Let the manufacturers build the best cars they can (or are willing to build, financially) and let the kids go out there and ballz-out RACE (like they used to).

I sold my favorite flamenco guitar several years ago and bought my 70" Samsung TV for two reasons: 1) Formula One, and 2) the NFL. Both sports are becoming very frustrating and hard to watch for me. And it's because of all of the politics, meddling, and greed... in BOTH sports. Seriously.... if 2017 doesn't get better in both sports, I may just turn-off the damn toob and entertain myself with one of my many other (more productive) hobbies.
Link Posted: 1/4/2017 2:47:13 PM EDT
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OST


can't wait

Link Posted: 1/4/2017 2:52:18 PM EDT
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And you dont post any of the cool shit about the setup =p


So, from what I gather the Merc hydraulic springs can store the energy from traveling and release it more precisely to keep the car low and flat.  It's an energy recapture suspension and it is fucking brilliant.  So, of course the FIA will ban it.  Why wouldnt they.  They are the same jokers that claimed FRICs was a moveable aerodynamic device.  Never mind that their justification meant they could in theory BAN BRAKES.

"1) displacement in a direction opposed to the applied load over some or all of its travel, regardless of the source of the stored energy used
to achieve this.
Or
2) a means by which some of the energy recovered from the forces and displacements at the wheel can be stored for release at a later time to
extend a spring seat or other parts of the suspension assembly whose
movement is not defined by the principally vertical suspension travel of
the two wheels."

Concerning number 1:  So, how about they ban dampers?  Seeing as how they are a more stone age yet well refined device that displaces in a direction opposed to applied load over some or all of it's travel.  All Merc did was design a very trick 'delayed recoil action'. 

2) So basically, they dont want the teams to be able to very precisely (and mechanically) control each corner of the car.  Lol may as well say you can't have space age passive suspension. 
Yes, I know they are storing the suspension energy in hydraulic fluid to be released at times that the chassis needs to be controlled more vigorously.

This will be in road cars.  It is a brilliant system and will be yet another OEM tech that is banned in F1.
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When active suspension was banned in F1 it was all about external input actively moving the suspension. The video of the Williams car is the example of what they could do with the technology in '93. As long as they are doing this within the damper, without electronics, it will probably fly.


Williams active suspension video 1993
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When active suspension was banned in F1 it was all about external input actively moving the suspension. The video of the Williams car is the example of what they could do with the technology in '93. As long as they are doing this within the damper, without electronics, it will probably fly.


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If you know how a delayed recoil mechanism works you will understand what merc did with that hydraulic spring setup.  Not active at all as much as amazing use of old tech.
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 12:05:36 PM EDT
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My apologies..

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-what-s-behind-f1-s-suspension-controversy-863068/

Formula 1 intrigue over high-tech suspension systems pioneered by Mercedes has been around for several years, but the trigger for the latest row over what is and isn't allowed can be traced back to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

According to sources, an overheard radio conversation between Daniel Ricciardo and his Red Bull pitwall about car set-up and the impact of the suspension on aerodynamic performance left some rival teams suspicious that there was more to these devices than originally thought. In particular the idea of the suspension being used primarily to help aerodynamics prompted Ferrari to take action and write to the FIA to clarify exactly is and is not allowed. Such a request for clarification to F1 race director Charlie Whiting is common – as it offers teams an opportunity to discern the legality of designs they intend to pursue, the chance to better understand the ones used by their rivals, or highlight to the FIA where others might be operating in grey areas.

In this case, Ferrari has queried the use of more complex systems than the one that Mercedes has legally put to good use – primarily one that stores energy that can be then be released to improve the car's aerodynamic platform over the rest of the lap when it is better needed. But have teams like Mercedes and Red Bull been doing it already, were they planning on doing it for 2017 – or is Ferrari's bid simply to cut off an avenue of expensive development before it pushed full on with its own concept?


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The intrigue surrounding the pre-Christmas technical directive from Whiting suggesting trick suspension systems that stored energy would be illegal comes in the wake of what F1 saw teams do with FRIC (Front-to-Rear-InterConnected) systems up until their effective ban ahead of the 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix. The potential aero benefits of a clever suspension system can even be traced back to Renault's famed mass damper during Fernando Alonso's title years – and in recent years it was Mercedes that was at the forefront of the FRIC technology.

At the time, the removal of their concept seemed like a good way to peg back the Silver Arrows but such was the team's commanding position and the advanced state of the systems run by those around it that it meant there was very little effect on the pecking order. In F1, knowledge is never unlearned though – and with FRIC gone, resources were shifted to replicate the peripheral advantages it gave – as teams set about creating a similar effect, albeit without the hydraulic connection front-to-rear. Much of the work done by FRIC revolved around heave - the vertical displacement of the car. Being able to connect the front and rear also helped to stabilise the car's roll through corners, improving aerodynamic stability as a consequence.

It is natural that the teams would have the FIA believe that the reason for these systems/subsystems was to improve tyre performance and life, enhancing mechanical grip with an emphasis on increasing the contact patch. However, whist this is true, a chief motivation is always going to revolve around improving aero, with a more stable platform able to provide the team with the ability to hone in on aggressive solutions.


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The heave element is by no means new in Formula 1, but the way in which teams are using them is far beyond what would previously have been considered ordinary. The heave element provides stiffness at speed to improve how the car reacts to aerodynamic load, stabilising the car and ensuring that it performs optimally as the airflow acts on the various surfaces. At lower speeds the heave damper is decoupled, giving the driver the type of compliance he needs. But it is during transient conditions that the designers have had to find more and more performance, as discerned to us in an end of season interview with Mercedes technical chief Paddy Lowe. In the interview with Giorgio Piola, Lowe was open about the aerodynamic benefits of the suspension system Mercedes ran at times in 2016.

Here is what he said.

Q: Is the use of a hydraulic heave damper used to achieve what was done with FRIC?

Paddy Lowe: "It's left us just trying to do things one end at a time and design spring and damper systems that will react to load in a more complex manner. A spring classically was linear, [but now] we are playing with far greater and more complex ranges of non-linear compliance. That's allowing us to play games with getting the aero platform exactly where we want. It's more difficult to do than it was with FRIC, but it's the same thing really."

Q: Is it easier to achieve with a hydraulic damper rather than a conventional springed set-up?

Paddy Lowe: "It's about maintaining balance at different aspects of the circuit, different cornering speeds. Getting the best from the aero platform and best balance from high speed to low speed and indeed through different phases of the corner. All the teams are playing more tunes than ever they used to. Our suspension therefore becomes more complex year on year. We've not doing anything particularly tricky, it just gets more complex. If drivers from the past got into these cars they'd have their mind blown by how well balanced they are. We can set the car up with far more precision – and the degree to which we're tailoring aero and mechanical platform almost corner by corner even within the corner and brake balance, all these different things get a car where you can get to a certain point in the weekend where the driver is saying there's nothing to tune. It's a perfectly balanced car. Of course it's not quite like that – because the tyre is moving around – but compared to how it was say 20 years ago, when you had to take a really very crude approximation of getting a balance at as many corners as possible, whilst accepting the others would be rubbish."


Fluid logic

The crux of Ferrari's request for clarification centres around the recovery and storage of energy to be used at a later time to extend a spring seat or other parts of the suspension assembly. This infers the use of hydraulic accumulators that are designed to store and dispense energy under certain conditions, creating a sort of high pressure hydraulic computer. This fluid logic system would rely and react to inputs, as the car undergoes various conditions around a lap. Think then of the heave element and ancillary remote accumulators as a three-dimensional map, rather than just the cylindrical elements they outwardly appear to be - with small and large chambers interspersed to accommodate the various inputs, loads and conditions.

Imagine that as an an F1 car approaches a corner - the driver will commence the braking phase, at which point the weight of the car should shift forward and the aerodynamic loads are altered. If a team fully understood the inertia from a mathematical perspective you could model a reactionary response from the front and rear suspension that would keep the platform of the car within an acceptable tolerance, improving both mechanical (including the tyre's response) and aerodynamic performance. The knock on effect is that the driver can carry more apex speed and will accelerate out of the corner earlier than is ordinarily the case.


Red Bull Advances

There were rumours last year that Red Bull had also got particularly advanced in this area – with it able to have a car with a high rake for aerodynamic benefit in the corners but then sank down at the rear on the straights to minimise drag from its wings. Rake is something that must be looked at from a conceptual point of view, because adding a Red Bull or McLaren level of rake to the Mercedes isn't going to see an immediate rise in performance. Of course it's an exceptional tool to draw from, but simply cranking up the rear of the car will not work if all of the other aero surfaces are not in tune with it.

The Red Bull philosophy revolves around perfecting aerodynamic structures that emanate from the front wing and tie in with the floor and diffuser. The obstacle to its performance is always the tyres, with neutering the airflow that is spilt from them critical in creating the necessary rear end downforce to complement what's going on ahead. The use of a well tuned HPC (Hydraulic Pitch Control) suspension system, as some of the teams have called it, is something that has been part of Red Bull's success throughout 2016 as it overtook Ferrari. For a team that usually had an abundance of aerodynamic updates at each Grand Prix, Red Bull was surprisingly quiet on that front last season. Instead at each GP it honed its set-up, perhaps trialling a different front or rear wing on occasions, in order to maximise the car's operating window.

Whilst it's understood that it sacrificed some of its resource early on to focus on the 2017 car, it's perhaps its mooted acquisition of a full chassis dynamometer that has seen it make further strides. The VTT (Virtual Test Track) as it is known replicates its car in every aspect and allows it to run the car in the simulator loop, including the power unit. Suspension actuation is also conducted and helps the team to make some decisions about the set-up, both aerodynamically and mechanically, before getting to the track. This has led to what has been interpreted as a hunching over of the car on the straights, causing a drop off in downforce and drag and boosting straightline speed, helping the team to overcome some of the deficit of its the Renault power unit. Red Bull's use of HPC is different in its approach to Mercedes, but both systems are aimed at improving the relationship between all aspects of the chassis to improve overall lap time. So when Ricciardo was overheard on the radio in Abu Dhabi, talking in detail about the impact of suspension settings, did that trigger a new thought process in Ferrari's head?


Legal or Illegal?

Ferrari's move has obviously led to the pointing of fingers about what Mercedes and Red Bull are up to – but only those two teams know exactly what they have and have not been doing. The debate about what is and is not allowed is still ongoing with the FIA – but from Mercedes' perspective at least, it remains convinced that the system it ran when needed in 2016 does not fall foul of the FIA's interpretation of a moveable aerodynamic device so there is no impact from the latest ruling. Indeed, the feeling is that Ferrari's clarification could have more of an impact on what Red Bull may have been planning for 2017 as it bids to push its suspension system on even further. That the matter is not closed yet shows that some teams are on the limit of what is and isn't allowed – and that leaves Ferrari in a bit of a dilemma. For does it now push on with its own trick system, does it accept Whiting's interpretation, or does it keep fighting and open up the prospect of a protest at the Australian Grand Prix? Cast minds back to 2009 when the double diffuser row kicked off and Ferrari's belief that a protest to the stewards in Melbourne about them would be enough to get rid of them. Ferrari may feel like it has dealt a blow to the opposition in Whiting's ruling, but nothing is ever that simple in F1. One thing is for sure though, that ahead of the all-new cars coming for 2017, the suspension issue is likely to be the first of many skirmishes between teams as they keep a close eye on what their rivals have been up to.
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And a bonus

In an interview with Bild, Ecclestone pulled no punches, “Ferrari has fallen back to the times before Schumacher and Todt. There are too many Italians working there. This is nothing against Italy, but it is not in their DNA to lead a team successfully.”
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http://www.grandprix247.com/2017/01/05/ecclestone-there-are-too-many-italians-at-ferrari/
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 4:10:54 PM EDT
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That entire idea blows my mind. That's awesome as fuck.
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They should have just said "its magic" and I'd accept that explanation.
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Naw... I really can't compare the pay-to-play at the teams just scraping by, "employing" drivers whose parents (or countries) pretty much bought them into the sport... with the big teams who hire drivers who've fully-earned their ride. I get the sponsorship draw and factor for all of the teams, but we're talking about two different things. Crashtor was the kind of pay-to-play I was referring to.
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That's why I brought him up too. That said, the way Venezuela is going, I think he'd have been out of a seat already due to the troubles in the homeland.
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Bernie must have never learned about the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 10:59:47 PM EDT
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Red Bull's first tease

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Edit: 2011 car
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That is a "high nose" model from 2011.
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In for the coming wideness.  
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'scribed. 
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That is a "high nose" model from 2011.
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That is a "high nose" model from 2011.


Yeah I had a feeling
Link Posted: 1/6/2017 6:45:51 AM EDT
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Looks like Manor isn't going to make it to the 2017 season.

Sky News
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taggaroo
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You just can't make that shit up
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I can't help but feel for the kid.  That just plain sucks.
Link Posted: 1/10/2017 11:25:21 AM EDT
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Aaaaaaaaaaaannndddd he's gone...

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lowe-leaves-mercedes-f1-team-864295/

Mercedes executive director Paddy Lowe has left the Formula 1 title-winning team, sources have revealed, ahead of a potential switch to the Williams outfit.

As Motorsport.com reported before Christmas, Lowe accepted a job offer late last year to join Williams after being won over by the Grove-based outfit's ambitions.

However, it is understood that such a deal has not yet been finalised. Although Lowe had played an instrumental part in helping Mercedes secure three consecutive world championship titles, his future at the outfit had come into doubt at the end of his contracted term. Negotiations with Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff were delayed until after the 2016 campaign finished, but in the end no deal could be reached.

Mercedes declined to comment on the matter when contacted by Motorsport.com on Tuesday.


Senior role

The Lowe situation is intriguing because it comes at a time when Mercedes is in discussions with Williams about trying to reach agreement for Valtteri Bottas to move teams. There have been suggestions that part of an agreement could include Lowe not being forced to take gardening leave and being able to join Williams immediately. Lowe has been tipped to take a senior management position at Williams, having long been eager to step up from a pure technical role to actually running a team. Mercedes is expected to appoint former Ferrari technical director James Allison to replace Lowe, once his period of gardening leave is over.
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Sucks.

I'm just about the last person in the world that would espouse socialistic principles, but F1 really needs to do a better job of distributing the revenue more equally.  Attempts at controlling costs are never going to be effective (and often end up making racing MORE expensive).
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One step closer to Bottas at Mercedes.
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I am in and my money is on Daniel Ricciardo this year.
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What's the name of the stationary company? Paper Tiger Industries?
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He'll have to contend with Max Verstappen, and Helmut Marco first.  We've seen this before.  

I like Daniel, a lot, but he's REALLY needing to go to another team if he wants to get a fair shake.  I'd love to see him in the second Merc... He would run Lew Lew off the road and smile about it the whole time.  
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He'll have to contend with Max Verstappen, and Helmut Marco first.  We've seen this before.  

I like Daniel, a lot, but he's REALLY needing to go to another team if he wants to get a fair shake.  I'd love to see him in the second Merc... He would run Lew Lew off the road and smile about it the whole time.  
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Max is obviously the mostly likely heir to Shumacher's throne, and will likely be around for a LONG time. A fact that torments me, because I can't stand the little brat. All of that sucks for RIC, because it's hard not to like the Aussie with the big smile. Would root for just about anyone (short of Merc) to put Max in his place.
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Max is obviously the mostly likely heir to Shumacher's throne, and will likely be around for a LONG time. A fact that torments me, because I can't stand the little brat. All of that sucks for RIC, because it's hard not to like the Aussie with the big smile. Would root for just about anyone (short of Merc) to put Max in his place.
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He'll have to contend with Max Verstappen, and Helmut Marco first.  We've seen this before.  

I like Daniel, a lot, but he's REALLY needing to go to another team if he wants to get a fair shake.  I'd love to see him in the second Merc... He would run Lew Lew off the road and smile about it the whole time.  


Max is obviously the mostly likely heir to Shumacher's throne, and will likely be around for a LONG time. A fact that torments me, because I can't stand the little brat. All of that sucks for RIC, because it's hard not to like the Aussie with the big smile. Would root for just about anyone (short of Merc) to put Max in his place.
He's something else to watch on-track though!  Fast little bastard.
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Smart
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Bottas gets a W this season.


He will dominate.
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I'm ok with this.



Can't wait for Haas to get in the points again!
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Claire Williams told Sky Sports (at the Autosport Convention) that there would be an announcement concerning the "Bottas question" next week.
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Is anyone else besides me just not excited to see Bottas at Merc?

It's nothing against him, but I was hoping for a more exciting announcement
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Lotta touchy feely comments after the article. The morons condemning Haas for being the lone holdout are clueless in regards to Force India having a competitive advantage by getting paid early. Obviously, the richer teams already have that. But still... why would Haas want to vote to let F.I. in the door?
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Lotta touchy feely comments after the article. The morons condemning Haas for being the lone holdout are clueless in regards to Force India having a competitive advantage by getting paid early. Obviously, the richer teams already have that. But still... why would Haas want to vote to let F.I. in the door?
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Lotta touchy feely comments after the article. The morons condemning Haas for being the lone holdout are clueless in regards to Force India having a competitive advantage by getting paid early. Obviously, the richer teams already have that. But still... why would Haas want to vote to let F.I. in the door?


All it is going to do is cost FI the interest on the loan they will get instead of the early payout.
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All it is going to do is cost FI the interest on the loan they will get instead of the early payout.
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It seems like they teeter on the brink constantly
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It's official now, with Werlein going to Sauber, Mercedes confirmed today that Bottas will be Hamilton's partner this year. Massa will come out of retirement for 1 year to race at Williams.  

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Looking forward to watching him win his first race
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It's official now, with Werlein going to Sauber, Mercedes confirmed today that Bottas will be Hamilton's partner this year. Massa will come out of retirement for 1 year to race at Williams.  

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I don't know if I can do another year of Massa.
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It's official now, with Werlein going to Sauber, Mercedes confirmed today that Bottas will be Hamilton's partner this year. Massa will come out of retirement for 1 year to race at Williams.  

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OMG WE NEVER EXPECTED THIS. HOW DID THEY KEEP IT A SECRET???

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OMG WE NEVER EXPECTED THIS. HOW DID THEY KEEP IT A SECRET???

http://i.imgur.com/JsB8vdq.png
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It's official now, with Werlein going to Sauber, Mercedes confirmed today that Bottas will be Hamilton's partner this year. Massa will come out of retirement for 1 year to race at Williams.  

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Looking forward to watching him win his first race


OMG WE NEVER EXPECTED THIS. HOW DID THEY KEEP IT A SECRET???

http://i.imgur.com/JsB8vdq.png


It was almost as bad as when Vettel was going to Ferrari, or when Alonso was going to Mclaren
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