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Posted: 12/4/2016 3:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote from local newspaper: "City records show that there were habitability complaints made against the property's owner as recently as November 14 regarding an "illegal interior building structure." City inspectors appear to have visited the building on that date, but were unable to verify whether there were code violations. The city's investigation was still pending when the fire broke out last night." Somebody dropped the ball!!! From what the news reported yesterday - it sounded like city inspectors went there but couldn't get in. I assumed it was some sort of hippie commune that chased them away or a locked building that people break into so they can have raves. Either way, the city can't just force their way in without a warrant. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 3:59:28 PM EDT
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I always love it when people on a supposed freedom loving firearms forum suggest more government intervention. So you'd be okay with your neighbor piling his "art" and blocking the sidewalk and turning his place into a nightclub because freedom? |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:16:00 PM EDT
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These things are in the grey area between private partys and actual business's. The fact they usually roll on weekends nights when the Police are busy with all the mayhem means nobody usually bothers them.
They are big money makers for the gangs. They charge at the door, gets bars up and running, sell drugs, and keep shuffling the money from person to person. Very tough to prosecute and the big ones used to grease the right people. They dont pay taxes, dont pay for Licenses, arent ever inspected by Fire or other agencys. They used to be all over the place and would move from place to place too. And they made stacks of cash. I originally thought this was an arson cause the gangs are always feuding over these things but it looks like just a bunch of starving artists. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:24:29 PM EDT
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Oakland, Calif., officials say death total raised to 30 in warehouse fire; officials say 'we are still not done'
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:28:30 PM EDT
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The more that comes out, it sounds like the building owner and the guy who leased it belong in jail. The leasee sounds like a real peach. 
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:35:28 PM EDT
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Any idea yet what started the fire ?
This sucks, first the Gatlinburg fire now this. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:36:06 PM EDT
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FPNI-hopefully there were some timeouts handed down! If not, there should have been. Just damn, cheering because some kids got killed in a fire. That just ain't right. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:43:40 PM EDT
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While sad it's pretty bad that Oakland is getting more coverage that Gatlinburg nationally.
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:47:18 PM EDT
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Artists collective. Those people ARFCOM loves to hate, dress different, think different. Fucking horror show is what it is and a bunch of people need to go to prison for this. This kind of shit doesn't need to happen in a first world country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seriously? Who was in the warehouse? Artists collective. Those people ARFCOM loves to hate, dress different, think different. Fucking horror show is what it is and a bunch of people need to go to prison for this. This kind of shit doesn't need to happen in a first world country. Starting with the city officials who turned a blind eye to it. Building owner is going to be gutted in court. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:48:10 PM EDT
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Sad.
I have partied in some sketchy spots like that back in the day both in NYC and L.A. Also: Blah, blah, blah, hippies, leftists and dopers..... Remember The Station nightclub Great White concert fire? This stuff can happen to anybody, anytime. Fire DGAF what kinda music you like or your political ideology. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 4:48:50 PM EDT
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Saw that....posted the quote from him on the other thread right about the time it got nuked! Narcissistic fucker needs some pound in the ass prison time!!  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Snowflake proprietor moaning on fukbook that he lost his cash cow. Saw that....posted the quote from him on the other thread right about the time it got nuked! Narcissistic fucker needs some pound in the ass prison time!! I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he sees some time behind bars. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 7:26:44 PM EDT
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Alameda County, Calif., deputy's son is among the dead in Oakland warehouse fire, officials say - @demianbulwa
Officials confirm teenagers among victims of Oakland, Calif., warehouse fire Officials: 33 people now confirmed dead in Oakland, Calif., warehouse fire; approximately 35% of building searched |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 8:31:49 PM EDT
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The assumption that there was likely a large amount of drug use happening in this place caused a lot of butthurt in the old thread but I think it's likely a contributing factor. A bunch of people out of their minds on various drugs just aren't going to be able to save themselves in a fire. It's not judgment but fact
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what caused the fire, too much weed? The assumption that there was likely a large amount of drug use happening in this place caused a lot of butthurt in the old thread but I think it's likely a contributing factor. A bunch of people out of their minds on various drugs just aren't going to be able to save themselves in a fire. It's not judgment but fact
Previous video from the 2nd floor party area: d-Jma50bAMs</iframe>Yeah, no. The show that was going on the night of the fire was nothing like that. The music and presentation is nothing like that. No video presentation and the music was downtempo ambient electronica. That doesn't usually inspire people rolling on E or LSD. Especially at 11pm. |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 11:15:54 PM EDT
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Yeah, no. The show that was going on the night of the fire was nothing like that. The music and presentation is nothing like that. No video presentation and the music was downtempo ambient electronica. That doesn't usually inspire people rolling on E or LSD. Especially at 11pm. Lol OK bro. You must have a lot of experience with drug use. 
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Posted: 12/4/2016 11:26:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/4/2016 11:54:30 PM EDT
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 First Person Account From Survivor Of The Deadly Oakland Warehouse Fires |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:03:24 AM EDT
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Lol OK bro. You must have a lot of experience with drug use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, no. The show that was going on the night of the fire was nothing like that. The music and presentation is nothing like that. No video presentation and the music was downtempo ambient electronica. That doesn't usually inspire people rolling on E or LSD. Especially at 11pm. Lol OK bro. You must have a lot of experience with drug use. I wasn't there. You weren't there. That said, you do a little research and you can start figuring things out. Watch the interviews of survivors. They don't sound like they are all fucked up on drugs. They were just artists that were enjoying a musical act. Could there have been some that did drugs? Possibly. Could most be sober? Possibly. To say that about me and drug use is quite a stretch and really shows a lapse in rational thought. That's not a surprise considering your join date and post count. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:07:59 AM EDT
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My old roommate for one...he got out though. My daughter knows someone who was planning to go but couldn't get off work. TC |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:14:02 AM EDT
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I didn't see anyone cheering or celebrating in that thread. No one was fucking cheering or celebrating. One side just didn't give a fuck a bunch of douchebag hippy libtard artists and their closest friends got smoked and made fun of them in the finest GD tradition. Then the white knights and delicate sensitive wallflowers on the other side took offense and started calling them cunts and rude and mean and nasty, so the first side started crying and then big daddy stepped in and shut every one down and told everybody to go to their rooms until they could play together nice. Don't know why OP felt the need to stir shit up again. GD gonna D. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:17:38 AM EDT
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Sad. I have partied in some sketchy spots like that back in the day both in NYC and L.A. Also: Blah, blah, blah, hippies, leftists and dopers..... Remember The Station nightclub Great White concert fire? This stuff can happen to anybody, anytime. Fire DGAF what kinda music you like or your political ideology. The Station fire video is one of the most gruesome and disturbing things I've ever seen, and given the amount of time I've spent working in small clubs, I'd be an idiot not to learn something from it. One, the death toll was high because most of patrons made for the main entrance, creating a bottleneck. You can bet that if there's a fire at my current club job, and there's a crowd between me and the main door, I'm heading into the kitchen and out the side. Two, there is no VIP area in case of fire. There were reports of a security guard prohibiting people from using the backstage exit. Fuck that; if I can direct people to safety through a previously restricted area, I will. Three, discourage club owners from doing stupid shit. The reason that smoke was so toxic was because the foam that they used for soundproofing was shit. If I'm asked my opinion on a modification to the building, and I believe that it would create a hazard, the answer is FUCK THAT. Four, do not let bands and their crew do stupid shit. It still blows my mind that that TM set up pyrotechnics in such a place, that no one said screw you buddy, not gonna happen (nicely and with professionalism, of course). So much fail on the part of that band and that club that night. It's still sickening. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:29:08 AM EDT
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There's plenty of evidence that the safety hazards were known and the city knew about them. I'm interested in why was the owner given a pass? The only path to the 2nd floor was a freaking pile of pallets with varying step heights, some as high as your waist, and there was only one exit on the first floor  That the city may have ignored this structure is obviously worth pursuing but you have to wonder about the common sense of people when they cannot see a problem with pallets as stairs. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:37:05 AM EDT
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No one was fucking cheering or celebrating. One side just didn't give a fuck a bunch of douchebag hippy libtard artists and their closest friends got smoked and made fun of them in the finest GD tradition. Then the white knights and delicate sensitive wallflowers on the other side took offense and started calling them cunts and rude and mean and nasty, so the first side started crying and then big daddy stepped in and shut every one down and told everybody to go to their rooms until they could play together nice. Don't know why OP felt the need to stir shit up again. GD gonna D. Oh, look.. We found one. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:42:24 AM EDT
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Terrible news. My friends and I spent a couple days trying to get in touch with a few SF and Oakland friends who are into that scene. Both are OK but are themselves missing friends who were planning to go to that show  .
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Posted: 12/5/2016 12:45:34 AM EDT
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That the city may have ignored this structure is obviously worth pursuing but you have to wonder about the common sense of people when they cannot see a problem with pallets as stairs. I posted this article in the thread that was nuked. Yes, you have to wonder about common sense, but there is also a fair amount of belligerence among artists who feel like they're being harassed by their local fire marshall. Take this quote, for instance: "WE ARE THE UNDERGROUND. WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER. IN THE SHADOWS WE ARE FREE." http://www.dallasobserver.com/music/dallas-underground-dance-parties-struggle-to-survive-city-crackdown-8000794 |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 2:41:50 AM EDT
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The Station fire video is one of the most gruesome and disturbing things I've ever seen, and given the amount of time I've spent working in small clubs, I'd be an idiot not to learn something from it. One, the death toll was high because most of patrons made for the main entrance, creating a bottleneck. You can bet that if there's a fire at my current club job, and there's a crowd between me and the main door, I'm heading into the kitchen and out the side. Two, there is no VIP area in case of fire. There were reports of a security guard prohibiting people from using the backstage exit. Fuck that; if I can direct people to safety through a previously restricted area, I will. Three, discourage club owners from doing stupid shit. The reason that smoke was so toxic was because the foam that they used for soundproofing was shit. If I'm asked my opinion on a modification to the building, and I believe that it would create a hazard, the answer is FUCK THAT. Four, do not let bands and their crew do stupid shit. It still blows my mind that that TM set up pyrotechnics in such a place, that no one said screw you buddy, not gonna happen (nicely and with professionalism, of course). So much fail on the part of that band and that club that night. It's still sickening. The Station fire video is still crazy to watch. You can see a guy walking out of the building on fire at @6:17.  Great White The Station nightclub fire West Warwick, Rhode Island |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 2:50:55 AM EDT
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Probably nuked because people were cheering about the deaths Seriously? Who was in the warehouse? Californians. <Not appropriate -40xb> 
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:11:40 AM EDT
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On the news earlier the interviewed one of the residents and survivors. He said there was all sorts of paints everywhere from the "artists" with cobbled and haphazard wires everywhere for electricity. But he said it was the only home he's ever known and other ramblings. Then they asked if he felt the place was safe.
He answered, without pause, no. 
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:16:43 AM EDT
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 Artist Collective 'The Ghost Ship' Was Not Permitted For Concerts Or Tenants |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:17:07 AM EDT
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Bunch of sad ass pathetic people we have here sometimes. For the ones saying "oh well", you do realize that conservatives also go to these parties right?
Of course you didn't because that would require use of an actual brain attached to your body. I step into the Gatlinburg thread, and leave thinking this place is amazing. Then some of the people posting in this thread and the nuked one remind me that there are scum everywhere. Sickening. 
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:23:48 AM EDT
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If not, there should have been. Just damn, cheering because some kids got killed in a fire. That just ain't right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FPNI-hopefully there were some timeouts handed down! If not, there should have been. Just damn, cheering because some kids got killed in a fire. That just ain't right. Shoot. Don't meander over to the thread about the chick killed in Germany then. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:32:44 AM EDT
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Probably nuked because people were cheering about the deaths Would have been better nuking the accounts of the people cheering than binning the thread. Good excuse to clean house and remove some of the scum from this site who care little for it's reputation. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:47:08 AM EDT
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It's very sad. But when your young you think everything will be fine and nothing will happen. You don't go to a party and make sure there are sprinklers and enough exits. Looking back on some of the places I used to go to punk shows I'm honestly amazed some of them didn't burn down or collapse. Sketchy would be generous. Never gave it a thought at the time. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 4:01:24 AM EDT
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Don't get distracted.
There are more important issues. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 4:25:43 AM EDT
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"Artists collective. Those people ARFCOM loves to hate, dress different, think different. Fucking horror show is what it is and a bunch of people need to go to prison for this. This kind of shit doesn't need to happen in a first world country." Old run down building chock full of flammable shit and people making living spaces out of a place that was never meant to be lived in. To a decent degree, they brought this on themselves. Over a span of 20 years, I've been to plenty of punk/hardcore shows in basements, livingrooms, warehouses and other structures much like the one that burned down in Oakland. The vast majority of those spaces were run down to one degree or another and Firetraps themselves, usually with one way out and in..... never gave it much thought at the time though.... this being California, wonder if this will spur legislation banning these types of collective art/concert spaces unless they have some kind of state sanctioned licensing (or more vigorously enforce laws on the books).... but enforcing laws already on the books is not the California way. More laws are better laws. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 4:52:24 AM EDT
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I've known the guy that was performing at the time since junior high. He's torn up about it, but physically okay, so that's a relief for me. If I were in his place, I'd be tearing into his tour manager for even thinking of having a show in that place.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 4:55:04 AM EDT
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Why this building was not shut down and all tenants removed by the city is the glaring question that needs to be answered. I believe the last inspector went through the building on 11/14. Codes have uses, most of them reasonable and for safety |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 8:53:44 AM EDT
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Sad. I have partied in some sketchy spots like that back in the day both in NYC and L.A. Also: Blah, blah, blah, hippies, leftists and dopers..... Remember The Station nightclub Great White concert fire? This stuff can happen to anybody, anytime. Fire DGAF what kinda music you like or your political ideology. QFT |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 9:13:35 AM EDT
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Hell, I've been at the station. That place was tiny, overcrowded, and a maze. We went once, and said "fuck this place".
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Posted: 12/5/2016 9:26:20 AM EDT
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Probably nuked because people were cheering about the deaths ... If true, that is fucked up. If true? You're talking about a site where some members celebrated the death of another member's brother who was killed trying to stop a robbery in 2011. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 9:36:22 AM EDT
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News report this morning said now 33 morts...and they've suspended recovery efforts until the structure can be shored up.
Apparently they're having to remove the bodies in buckets. The FD spokesman spoke to 'pieces of bodies'. The guy who organized the 'rave' is a convicted felon who apparently had no permit nor any regard for the warnings people were giving him on the danger of the situation. I'm hoping he's indicted for manslaughter and depraved indifference. Now 36 morts...only 11 identified. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 2:53:29 PM EDT
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Anyways just wanted to update the thread that the death toll is up from 9 to 24 today. 8 of 11 confirmed names listed here https://www.google.com/amp/kron4.com/2016/12/05/death-toll-rises-to-36-in-oakland-warehouse-fire/amp/ |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:02:38 PM EDT
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While sad it's pretty bad that Oakland is getting more coverage that Gatlinburg nationally. White House tweeted a statement today.http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-death-toll-grows-36-oakland-warehouse-fire-43981817 "President Barack Obama is expressing his sympathies to the people of Oakland as families of victims and residents deal with one of the worst fires in the state's history." |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:19:33 PM EDT
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It really sucks that we had forum members cheering this.
I know we all have different opinions on various things but I didn't know we had any members that mentally twisted. 
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:20:18 PM EDT
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Probably nuked because people were cheering about the deaths Can't imagine why a thread about a warehouse full of Oakland hipsters going up in flames would get locked, nope. 
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:20:39 PM EDT
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Looking back on some of the places I used to go to punk shows I'm honestly amazed some of them didn't burn down or collapse. Sketchy would be generous. Never gave it a thought at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's very sad. But when your young you think everything will be fine and nothing will happen. You don't go to a party and make sure there are sprinklers and enough exits. Looking back on some of the places I used to go to punk shows I'm honestly amazed some of them didn't burn down or collapse. Sketchy would be generous. Never gave it a thought at the time. Same here. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:26:16 PM EDT
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Death toll now 36 but city still determining identity of most victims 8 of 11 confirmed names listed here https://www.google.com/amp/kron4.com/2016/12/05/death-toll-rises-to-36-in-oakland-warehouse-fire/amp/ Just heard this latest toll on the radio on the way home from work. Very sad. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:26:32 PM EDT
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Hell, I've been at the station. That place was tiny, overcrowded, and a maze. We went once, and said "fuck this place". I remember going to a club in DC that you literally walked into a tiny hallway, went through security, down some stairs to the basement, all the way across the building to another set of stairs in the back to the "first floor", which was completely painted black. I distinctly remember ONE marked exit sign that was above the door, which would immediately have gotten covered in smoke if anything happened. Luckily it was pretty barren in there minus giant speakers and the bar, but just made me really uneasy. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:27:03 PM EDT
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I'm sure it's been talked about but did anyone watch the CNN interview with the artist who was renting?
Was the damnedest thing I've ever seen
He talks about how he couldn't pull his friend out so he had to leave him there, then like 30 seconds later he's talking about how happy he is about the support he's getting from the community and his followers, then tries to high-five the camera reporter. Seriously, knowing that your horrible death is just a 20 second blip on the guys radar is frightening. I tried to find the interview on CNN but it wasn't posted on Saturday when I attempted to. It's seriously a WTF moment. This guy is clinical narcissist and it's obvious he has very little remorse about what happened. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:34:26 PM EDT
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I'm sure it's been talked about but did anyone watch the CNN interview with the artist who was renting? Was the damnedest thing I've ever seen
He talks about how he couldn't pull his friend out so he had to leave him there, then like 30 seconds later he's talking about how happy he is about the support he's getting from the community and his followers, then tries to high-five the camera reporter. Seriously, knowing that your horrible death is just a 20 second blip on the guys radar is frightening. I tried to find the interview on CNN but it wasn't posted on Saturday when I attempted to. It's seriously a WTF moment. This guy is clinical narcissist and it's obvious he has very little remorse about what happened. A simpler explanation is that he was in a state of shock. Everyone handles a near-death experience differently, and I bet he wasn't in the clearest of minds when he gave that interview. A lot of "oh, the horror" mixed in with "I'm glad I'm alive.." |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:38:24 PM EDT
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A simpler explanation is that he was in a state of shock. Everyone handles a near-death experience differently, and I bet he wasn't in the clearest of minds when he gave that interview. A lot of "oh, the horror" mixed in with "I'm glad I'm alive.." Was thinking the same. Seen some very good people say some messed up and almost unbelievable stuff when they have had a traumatic experience and the gravity of what has happened simply has not had time to hit home. |
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