This idiocy keeps getting repeated over and over by people too lazy to understand the issue at hand. The "universal reciprocity" only means that States are forced to recognize other States' permits. There is no "federal CCP" being enstated. Therefore, there is no "registration on federal level", no "restrictioms by Blue States", no "denial of permits by Dems after they regain power". None of that can happen, because the permits themselves stay on the State level.

We need to run roughshod over them and get as much of our agenda through as possible without taking their "wants" into account.

It's time for them to learn to "compromise " under their very own definition of the word which we have previously been forced to live under.

Compromise~" to give up on matters of substance without getting anything in return until the matter is revisited in the future and you are asked to surrender incrementally more."

That's how they played it.

No matter what happens on all these issues I`ll never go to an anti-gun state again anyway. When we retired one of the first trips we took was to the Northeast to see the fall colors. I felt naked and afraid for five weeks. Not fun walking around unarmed.

On another note ,,,,I hope Trump puts as many Dem senators in appointed CONTROLLABLE  positions where he knows they`ll be replaced by republican senators asap.

Yep and it's happing again right now! Republican Rinos just appointed a anti gun democrat to a key chair to block all pro gun legislation for 2017. WTF!!!

For me, it having to travel thru blue states to get to the free state the family lives in.

My wife does like Chicago, though.  I'd be more inclined to visit if I could bring the g17 with me.

Of course, ccw wouldn't stop all the crime.  The govt robs you with the tolls the second you hit IL.

Yup............fuck 'em!!

State's rights.

Don't like it?  Move to a free state.

Because money.

I read the current bill tht will be used this coming congressional term. It says nothing that limits a NJ resident from using a FL Non Residential Permit.

FL charges $117 a pop. If all of a sudden they were good in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc.... the money would flow in.

The funny thing is it actually would be a constitutional issue...

Not in FL, CCWs aren't tied to NCIC. 

I ain't giving up. Going to the Capitol again come march and will lobby hard for ooen carry and campus carry. The establishment within the GOP waves gun rights in front of us like a carrot on a stick to ensure votes.  

It has traditionally been outsiders on the fringe of the GOP that are pro gun. Look at Trump. Has their ever been a candidate that openly supported the 2nd Amendment as he did?

Incoming Sen. Greg Steube, R-Sarasota, while in the House, was a leading sponsor of legislation to allow school personnel to have guns on campus to protect against mass shootings, and incoming Sen. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, was a leading advocate in the House for allowing open carry of firearms in Florida. Negron said he expects those issue will be debated in the Senate. 

We need to ride the wave. Yes, session is still a bit ways off and the composition and membership will be different. But now is the time. Call, email, write physical letters, and visit in person until session starts.Push it and push it hard. I have a feeling that the FL Supreme Court will rule against us in Norman v State.  

Contact the Governor's Office, contact Attorney General's Office, contact the Secretary of Agricultural's Office, etc..... Hit the legislature, the cabinet, and the executive branch.  

Put the motherfuckers' feets to the fire and keep them there. Do it now and don't let up from now until they pass it. 

Better take 10rd mags. The current bill does nothing about mag bans.

States rights is onky good when it promotes freedom. Not slavery. The role of the Federal government is to ensure that the Bill of Rights is equally enforced. If NY or NJ or PR curb stomps the 2nd Amendment, then it is the role of the Fed to curb stomp those political subdivisions.

Georgia's Oconee County Sheriff's Office posted a while back that their County has issued more concealed carry permits than the entire state of NJ. I believe Sheriff Berry has an account here. I know the Chief Deputy does.

I'd be a heck of a lot more interested in driving to CT and MA to visit my relatives. Hope we can get this one.

New Jersey has issued more CCWs than Hawaii.

Murphy will crush the permit system as a whole before allowing that to happen.

All depends on how the state issues licenses, Georgia's are issued through the probate court in each county and it's illegal to enter them into a centralized database (counties can maintain a local database to track renewals).  It's also illegal to confirm or deny the validity of a license without a court order :-)

In FL they're issued by the Division of licensing from the Agriculture Department. Not tied into any LEO database.

It doesn't work that way.

You still need 60 votes to overcome a filibuster.  The simple majority was for confirmation of appointments by the President.

Thanks, you saved me from having to tell the ignorant guy you quoted to fuck off.

Derp... wrong thread