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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:21:31 PM EDT
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Democrats trying to prevent self defense here. Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat and ardent gun-control advocate, said he believes any version of a national reciprocity bill would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate, due to strong Democratic opposition. Time to start the campaign for it. They seem to forget they screwed themselves by getting rid of that super majority , now a simple majority and the house vote means it becomes law. I hope they carve out something for my home state of jersey and other states that really do not allow an CCW. ETA: If they do not protect the liberal states with a federal override then I as a Pa resident could carry in jersey but a NJ resident would not be allowed to carry in their own state? That cannot stand |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:35:39 PM EDT
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Learning is hard......
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:38:36 PM EDT
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I see that slimy liver lipped motherfucker every couple months.
There is absolutely nothing I can post on this site regarding that without violating several COC. 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:40:17 PM EDT
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Time to steamroll these pieces of shit. I, like many others in this nation, am sick and tired of being patient and trying to take the high road with these people time and again and getting nothing out of it. So fuck them, they can bend over and take it.
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:40:20 PM EDT
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Fuck the Dems.
We need to worry more about pussy RINOs now. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:41:53 PM EDT
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Wouldn't be the first time the Democrats tried to limit the exercise of one's rights.
Fuck the dems, we're busy MAGA. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:42:26 PM EDT
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Sorry Dems, you forced the rest of the country to bake the "F-ing" cake, now get ready to for your blue utopias to allow us to protect ourselves and our families.
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:43:01 PM EDT
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They seem to forget they screwed themselves by getting rid of that super majority , now a simple majority and the house vote means it becomes law. I hope they carve out something for my home state of jersey and other states that really do not allow an CCW. ETA: If they do not protect the liberal states with a federal override then I as a Pa resident could carry in jersey but a NJ resident would not be allowed to carry in their own state? That cannot stand But NJ has a permit system in place. The state and its political subdivisions have refused to issue permits despite having authority to do so. The state DOJ has created bad Supreme Court precedence by defending arbitrary denial. But, NONE of this prevents the state or its political subdivisions from approving permits or from arguing in court (the ultimate issuing authority) in favor of issuance. So, the law, in and of itself, does not create the inequity you describe. Abitrary denial under a purely discretionary system creates the problem. That can be fixed by not denying arbitrarily. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:43:34 PM EDT
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I hope they get a new asshole stomped into them. Fuck 'em.
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:45:41 PM EDT
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Sorry Dems, you forced the rest of the country to bake the "F-ing" cake, now get ready to for your blue utopias to allow us to protect ourselves and our families. Don't forget abortion legal in all 50 states instead of the state level. Ignore the 10th Amendment when you want, we'll ignore it when we want. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:47:34 PM EDT
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fuck em
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:50:13 PM EDT
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I see that slimy liver lipped motherfucker every couple months. There is absolutely nothing I can post on this site regarding that without violating several COC. Lying Dick and his hunchback stooge Murphy The whole delegation is team of shitbirds. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:53:36 PM EDT
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Time to steamroll these pieces of shit. I, like many others in this nation, am sick and tired of being patient and trying to take the high road with these people time and again and getting nothing out of it. So fuck them, they can bend over and take it. "When they go low, we run them the fuck over." |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:54:11 PM EDT
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Sorry Dems, you forced the rest of the country to bake the "F-ing" cake, now get ready to for your blue utopias to allow us to protect ourselves and our families. IIRC that was via the courts, not a real law passed by congress and signed by potus. So a filibuster is a never ending debate, right? OK, so fucking filibuster. Do it. Force them to give 24x7 speeches on gun control until the end of time. Double dog dare ya, fucking commies. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:55:13 PM EDT
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Democrats trying to prevent self defense here. Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat and ardent gun-control advocate, said he believes any version of a national reciprocity bill would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate, due to strong Democratic opposition. Time to start the campaign for it. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:56:49 PM EDT
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"When they go low, we run them the fuck over." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time to steamroll these pieces of shit. I, like many others in this nation, am sick and tired of being patient and trying to take the high road with these people time and again and getting nothing out of it. So fuck them, they can bend over and take it. "When they go low, we run them the fuck over." The best part is the reason we can run them the fuck over is partly due to rules changed by... HARRY FUCKING RIED! 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 10:58:19 PM EDT
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fuck those idiots
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:02:33 PM EDT
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The best part is the reason we can run them the fuck over is partly due to rules changed by... HARRY FUCKING RIED! That only applies to appointments, not legislation. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:04:39 PM EDT
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Time to steamroll these pieces of shit. I, like many others in this nation, am sick and tired of being patient and trying to take the high road with these people time and again and getting nothing out of it. So fuck them, they can bend over and take it. This. It's time to railroad legislation we want straight through especially like this. They opened Pandora's box with selective incorporation. It's time for the states that don't respect the 2nd Amendment to gargle some constitution balls. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:05:58 PM EDT
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Let's see how confident the Democrats are of obstructing Trump's agenda. 2018 is already looming on the horizon:
Reeling Democrats confront brutal 2018 Senate map Nothing focuses the mind of a Socialist in office like losing that office. My guess is enough of the Democrat caucus will cave on each bill to advance the GOP agenda in hopes of forestalling an even more drastic collapse in 2018. If the GOP is smart (never a given) and Trump is successful early, the Democrats are in real danger of losing enough seats to give the GOP a fillibuster-proof majority. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:08:18 PM EDT
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Honestly, I am not a fan of a federal reciprocity law.
Some states are filled with less than human filth, that prefer to be gutless sheep at the individual level. That is their option, and only the timid, spineless, gutless, choose to reside in those states. As revolting as it is, and those people are, it's their call. My demand to carry in their spineless Marxist enclave, is equal to their demand my state disarms. I'd rather just stay the fuck away from retards, morons, dipshits, and the prevailing faggotry in the Northeast and west coast, because there is nothing worth a bent dick there anyhow. Let them rot in their own self absorbed hubris, kill each other, and fade. The trade off, is not worth it. Universal carry laws means the cunts of the Northeast and west coast, get to vote for restrictions. Pay attention to how many hogs are in the fucking pen, before you open the goddamned gate. 
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:11:24 PM EDT
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Let's see how confident the Democrats are of obstructing Trump's agenda. 2018 is already looming on the horizon: Reeling Democrats confront brutal 2018 Senate map Nothing focuses the mind of a Socialist in office like losing that office. My guess is enough of the Democrat caucus will cave on each bill to advance the GOP agenda in hopes of forestalling an even more drastic collapse in 2018. If the GOP is smart (never a given) and Trump is successful early, the Democrats are in real danger of losing enough seats to give the GOP a fillibuster-proof majority. Pick up the the LA senate seat later this month is 52. Bait that ND senator into the DOE, thats 53. Looking at the map in 2018, getting to 60 is very much attainable. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:19:39 PM EDT
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Honestly, I am not a fan of a federal reciprocity law. Some states are filled with less than human filth, that prefer to be gutless sheep at the individual level. That is their option, and only the timid, spineless, gutless, choose to reside in those states. As revolting as it is, and those people are, it's their call. My demand to carry in their spineless Marxist enclave, is equal to their demand my state disarms. I'd rather just stay the fuck away from retards, morons, dipshits, and the prevailing faggotry in the Northeast and west coast, because there is nothing worth a bent dick there anyhow. Let them rot in their own self absorbed hubris, kill each other, and fade. The trade off, is not worth it. Universal carry laws means the cunts of the Northeast and west coast, get to vote for restrictions. Pay attention to how many hogs are in the fucking pen, before you open the goddamned gate. Except there already is Universal Reciprocity for Cops, we would just be expanding it. Why should I be denied my constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms because I simply step over a line????? Why should the millions of conservatives in New York and California be chained? The 14th amendment incorporates the entire bill of rights. This is a battle worth fighting, get universal reciprocity, an even more conservative SCOTUS and add them together we could see that court deciding that the second amendment has a strict scrutiny standard and that all legal citizens have the right to carry. Even if we don't win, we have to fight these fights, while the Dems are fighting us on our ever expanding demands they aren't on the offensive. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:32:17 PM EDT
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Except there already is Universal Reciprocity for Cops, we would just be expanding it. Why should I be denied my constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms because I simply step over a line????? Why should the millions of conservatives in New York and California be chained? The This is a battle worth fighting, get universal reciprocity, an even more conservative SCOTUS and add them together we could see that court deciding that the second amendment has a strict scrutiny standard and that all legal citizens have the right to carry. Even if we don't win, we have to fight these fights, while the Dems are fighting us on our ever expanding demands they aren't on the offensive. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:38:24 PM EDT
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They seem to forget they screwed themselves by getting rid of that super majority , now a simple majority and the house vote means it becomes law. I hope they carve out something for my home state of jersey and other states that really do not allow an CCW. ETA: If they do not protect the liberal states with a federal override then I as a Pa resident could carry in jersey but a NJ resident would not be allowed to carry in their own state? That cannot stand Don't muck up a reciprocity bill to cater to California and the NE. Keep it clean. NJs problems can be fixed later either by the people petitioning their state Gov't, and fixing the law, or waiting for two SCOTUS picks. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:40:41 PM EDT
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Blumenthal would be incorrect, There are 52 Republicans, plus 9 Democratic senators up for re-election in 2018 in States Trump won. It will not go well for them.
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:55:35 PM EDT
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Pick up the the LA senate seat later this month is 52. Bait that ND senator into the DOE, thats 53. Looking at the map in 2018, getting to 60 is very much attainable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's see how confident the Democrats are of obstructing Trump's agenda. 2018 is already looming on the horizon: Reeling Democrats confront brutal 2018 Senate map Nothing focuses the mind of a Socialist in office like losing that office. My guess is enough of the Democrat caucus will cave on each bill to advance the GOP agenda in hopes of forestalling an even more drastic collapse in 2018. If the GOP is smart (never a given) and Trump is successful early, the Democrats are in real danger of losing enough seats to give the GOP a fillibuster-proof majority. Pick up the the LA senate seat later this month is 52. Bait that ND senator into the DOE, thats 53. Looking at the map in 2018, getting to 60 is very much attainable. I'm sure Trump can find some place useless to stick Manchin from WV so that could be another pick-up. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:02:51 AM EDT
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Time to steamroll these pieces of shit. I, like many others in this nation, am sick and tired of being patient and trying to take the high road with these people time and again and getting nothing out of it. So fuck them, they can bend over and take it. This times a million. Fuck them and their bull shit "we are going to fight" crap. Fight nothing you socialist pieces of monkey shit. You have control of NOTHING! 
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:03:41 AM EDT
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The Senate filibuster stands in the way of the national reciprocity bill. That means that 60 votes are required for cloture. The Democrats can block it.
The filibuster was done away with for federal judge confirmations below the Supreme Court level. But Sen. Orrin Hatch has announced that he will not vote to do away with the filibuster for ordinary bills. Such a change would have to made at the beginning of the session. (Other Republican Senators will follow Sen. Hatch's lead.) Budget reconciliation bills are not subject to filibuster. They can pass the Senate with 51 votes. NFA reform (removing suppressors and short-barrel guns from the NFA, opening the MG registry) can be done under budget reconciliation (because of the tax implications), but national reciprocity cannot. Anyway, many gun people (judging by what they write on this and other gun boards) are against national concealed-carry reciprocity. They're worried that national reciprocity will necessarily lead to national qualification standards, meaning that the strictest states would control who could get carry permits in all the states. Given the lack of unanimity in the gun community, and the practical impossibility of passage until the pro-gun side has 60 supporters in the Senate, it might be better to put this on the back burner and proceed to other things that are more doable. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:05:10 AM EDT
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Wouldn't be the first time the Democrats tried to limit the exercise of one's rights. Fuck the dems, we're busy MAGA. ^^ THIS |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:06:01 AM EDT
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Sorry Dems, you forced the rest of the country to bake the "F-ing" cake, now get ready to for your blue utopias to allow us to protect ourselves and our families. Wow - This too, along with an apology for my quick trigger. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:12:13 AM EDT
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I'm sure Trump can find some place useless to stick Manchin from WV so that could be another pick-up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's see how confident the Democrats are of obstructing Trump's agenda. 2018 is already looming on the horizon: Reeling Democrats confront brutal 2018 Senate map Nothing focuses the mind of a Socialist in office like losing that office. My guess is enough of the Democrat caucus will cave on each bill to advance the GOP agenda in hopes of forestalling an even more drastic collapse in 2018. If the GOP is smart (never a given) and Trump is successful early, the Democrats are in real danger of losing enough seats to give the GOP a fillibuster-proof majority. Pick up the the LA senate seat later this month is 52. Bait that ND senator into the DOE, thats 53. Looking at the map in 2018, getting to 60 is very much attainable. I'm sure Trump can find some place useless to stick Manchin from WV so that could be another pick-up. I get the sense its easier to get rid of Manchin via conventional means than the ND gal who seems to be extremely adept at not overly pissing off anyone in the state. If Trump can find a harmless place to stick Manchin for a year or so before firing his ass, I'm good with that also. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:16:46 AM EDT
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Bitch made motherfuckers
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:17:21 AM EDT
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I get the sense its easier to get rid of Manchin via conventional means than the ND gal who seems to be extremely adept at not overly pissing off anyone in the state. If Trump can find a harmless place to stick Manchin for a year or so before firing his ass, I'm good with that also. There's no guarantee that Manchin and Heitkamp would accept Trump appointments. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:22:30 AM EDT
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I hope it passes. It would be great if I could carry a gun on me when I visit SoCal.
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:24:12 AM EDT
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Except there already is Universal Reciprocity for Cops, we would just be expanding it. Why should I be denied my constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms because I simply step over a line????? Why should the millions of conservatives in New York and California be chained? The 14th amendment incorporates the entire bill of rights. This is a battle worth fighting, get universal reciprocity, an even more conservative SCOTUS and add them together we could see that court deciding that the second amendment has a strict scrutiny standard and that all legal citizens have the right to carry. Even if we don't win, we have to fight these fights, while the Dems are fighting us on our ever expanding demands they aren't on the offensive. Because we are a collective of States above all, or we are nothing. The states that refuse to acknowledge the rights of their own, and extend reciprocity to all other states, have effectively divorced the Union of states. Federal mandate being required, means recognizing the Marxist states refusal of recognition of the BOR. Dunno about you, but putting my own individual freedoms on the table as a bargaining chip for Politicians to play with, is a fucking stupid thing to do. We win as like minded states working together individually, or lose individually as a collective of states under a Federal compromise. The Northeast and west coast have proven themselves to be no less of a threat to American values, individual freedom, and the founders values, than Kruschev, and Stalin. Fuck 'em. They, unlike the Russians, choose to suck Marxist dick, and live there. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:36:02 AM EDT
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IIRC that was via the courts, not a real law passed by congress and signed by potus. So a filibuster is a never ending debate, right? OK, so fucking filibuster. Do it. Force them to give 24x7 speeches on gun control until the end of time. Double dog dare ya, fucking commies. I'd rather see nationwide CCW reciprocity passed. So are there any moderate D senators we might be able to flip? I'm happy to make a few calls or send some emails. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:41:29 AM EDT
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There's no guarantee that Manchin and Heitkamp would accept Trump appointments. No shit? Each of them would have to make an assessment of how comfortable they feel going into the mid terms with their seats in jeopardy vs. other gainful employment that does not come with the risk of great embarrassment. Given that each has signaled an inclination to cooperate with Trump and senate republicans, determining which way they may lean on that decision isn't rocket science. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:43:12 AM EDT
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National reciprocity shouldn't be at or even near the top of the list of pro 2A actions to take during the first couple years of this administration.......... much rather push for and pass HPA, revoke previous anti gun EOs, and get some constitutionalist justices nominated and seated.
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:44:16 AM EDT
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I hope it passes. It would be great if I could carry a gun on me when I visit SoCal. So you would yield the protection of your individual freedoms, from the oversight of your neighbors, to the faceless bureaucrats and career focused filth, of the federal Govt. Just so you can visit the marxist shit hole of Mexifornia. Not too bright are ya... What happens when the Mexifornia fuckstains join the citiot filth of the northeast, and they declare gun owners as paranoids in need of incarceration for mental health treatment? All Politics are local. If you trust the feds more than your state, you're a fucking moron, or need to move. I'm just a dumbfuck farmer/Jarhead, but the Federalist and anti-Federalist arguments, pretty much make things damn clear. You're a dumbass to conceede freedom protected by the state, to the Feds. Don't get me wrong. It's your right to do so. I bled so you can, and so have a couple million others. Just make sure you know WTF you are asking for. It's goddamned obvious you have not. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:46:16 AM EDT
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National reciprocity shouldn't be at or even near the top of the list of pro 2A actions to take during the first couple years of this administration.......... much rather push for and pass HPA, revoke previous anti gun EOs, and get some constitutionalist justices nominated and seated. Which EOs would you have President Trump revoke? Gib numbers plz. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:47:00 AM EDT
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I'm sure Trump can find some place useless to stick Manchin from WV so that could be another pick-up. Actually, that could be a bad idea. His dem selected replacement could be tougher to beat. Joe has a stigma about him now for endorsing hitlery. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:49:28 AM EDT
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This shit got 58 votes (2 shy of the needed 60) in the Senate in 2009, when the Senate was comprised of 60 Democrats and 40 Republicans. The Democrats have to defend 25 Senate seats in 2018 and a LOT of them are in states that just voted for Trump. It's laughable for Blumenthal to declare that it's "dead on arrival."
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:52:29 AM EDT
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I'd like to see a Republican bill that says the rest of the states do not have to recognize Connecticut driver licenses.
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:57:59 AM EDT
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Which EOs would you have President Trump revoke? Gib numbers pls"
Ok, get rid of things that he had a hand in (the gunsmithing BS, 7n1 ban, Russian import bans, ect) I'd like to see trump go further and get rid of the barrel ban and the Clinton/bush sr import bans. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 1:00:59 AM EDT
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Honestly, I am not a fan of a federal reciprocity law. Some states are filled with less than human filth, that prefer to be gutless sheep at the individual level. That is their option, and only the timid, spineless, gutless, choose to reside in those states. As revolting as it is, and those people are, it's their call. My demand to carry in their spineless Marxist enclave, is equal to their demand my state disarms. I'd rather just stay the fuck away from retards, morons, dipshits, and the prevailing faggotry in the Northeast and west coast, because there is nothing worth a bent dick there anyhow. Let them rot in their own self absorbed hubris, kill each other, and fade. The trade off, is not worth it. Universal carry laws means the cunts of the Northeast and west coast, get to vote for restrictions. Pay attention to how many hogs are in the fucking pen, before you open the goddamned gate. No, universal carry laws do not mean New Yorkers and Californians get to vote for restrictions because they can ALREADY vote for restrictions. You don't seem to realize the only reason we don't have national gun laws that mirror New York and California's gun laws is that they don't have the votes to pull it off. That's it. It's got fuck all to do with us not having rocked the boat with national reciprocity. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 1:09:51 AM EDT
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I'm not so sure people are thinking this through. I hate to do it but, people advocating this are playing checkers and not chess, here is why.
Say you get it passed, you take a vacation to Chicago or any other liberal shithole. While youre skipping down the street whistling, with your hog leg on you meet Ray Ray and June Bug. They try to rob yiu and you choot'em. The prosecutor in that county is going to hang your ass high for shooting one or two of his constituents. It really isn't worth it. Boycott their fucking state, their city. Fuck'em, its a lost fucking cause. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 1:20:21 AM EDT
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Time for victory train steamroll?
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Posted: 12/2/2016 1:24:42 AM EDT
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Fuck the Dems. We need to worry more about pussy RINOs now. This is the truth |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 1:27:19 AM EDT
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Fuck the Dems. We need to worry more about pussy RINOs now. This is my fear... 
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