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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:21:19 AM EDT
Which do I buy assuming I will only buy in 9mm and it will only be a range toy? Kinda thinking RIA 9mm or g17.
Tell me I'm a heathen. |
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Really, glock and 1911 in thread title and no bites? You guys are slacking.
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I don't either. Only clocks I am looking at getting are a G29 and G20.
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Cheap Police tradein G22, then get a .357 SIG barrel, a 9mm barrel and some 9mm magazines. Three guns for the price of one and a half!
(You may have to replace the extractor and ejector to get the 9mm to work 100%, but plenty of people just drop in a 9mm barrel and it runs fine). |
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911. THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box. They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP.
Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring. The trigger is good. It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape. |
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i sold my glock 22.
the ONLY reason i have 45 is because i also have a 22LR conversion kit to teach new shooters |
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911. THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box. They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP. Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring. The trigger is good. It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape. View Quote My $900 1911 runs like a raped ape . How is this possible ? |
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You're a heathen.
I'm a heathen, too. Unless I find an outstanding deal on either, I will continue to be one. |
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What you carry brah?
G17 might be a better range gun. G19 is good for carry. If you get a Gen 4 G19 it may replace your carry piece. |
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I have had 6 Glocks and 1 1911
I still have 5 Glocks. Get the 17. |
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If you're going to buy a 9mm range toy, buy a Luger or something unique and cool.
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A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and a crime against humanity. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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You need not one, but two pistols OP.
G17 1911 in 45 ACP Then, you'll need two more pistols: 1911 in 9mm G21 |
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I would never consider a Glock for a range toy. Why would anyone? It's just a utilitarian tool. Nothing fun or aesthetically pleasing about it, it has a shitty trigger, and shitty sights. It's a good, but disposable, cop gun. Not a gun you buy for the shear joy of shooting or owning.
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EAA makes nice pistols, as does CZ. Also consider Beretta, Sig, Taurus. I am not a fan of FN because it appears their customer service is primarily geared to military, and everyone else is third tier...not even second tier.
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My $900 1911 runs like a raped ape . How is this possible ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911. THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box. They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP. Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring. The trigger is good. It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape. My $900 1911 runs like a raped ape . How is this possible ? Anything is possible, or maybe we have a different idea about reliability. The 1911 is a historically important design and a thing of beauty. JMB was a genius. The issue with it is that it is a design that was based on the assumption that parts would be machined and then hand fitted. It is the same deal as the Winchester Model 12. As labor costs have risen, hand-fitted 1911's are out of the reach of most people. Ed Brown and Nighthawk are nice examples. The lower end guns are made with MIM parts and are assembled without much in the way of fitting. The result is that they just are as reliable as they should be. There can be an occasional gun that works, but most sub-$1000 1911's I have seen have issues and require tinkering. I own two 1911's, and they both work pretty well after I fooled with them a bit, but I haven't carried one in years. I have numerous Glock and H&K pistols, none of which have ever required tinkering or even malfunctioned. Pistols are a personal thing. Carry what seems right to you. |
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If you own some type of CZ-75, you do not need or want a Glock or a 1911.
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100% range toy? Get the 9mm 1911. Who cares about reliability if it's a toy? That would be a LOT more fun to shoot than a Glock.
Don't get me wrong--Glock is the no brainer if you'll ever carry it, but they're so reliable and simple that they're boring to shoot. |
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I'd never consider a Glock as something to go spend quality time with at the range, and have fun.
1911 in 45acp. Too expensive to shoot a lot? Get an 22lr conversion kit and shoot inexpensively, then drop the 45 parts back in and shoot a few mags of 45. IMHO and YMMV |
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G17
More mag capacity. Less finicky. Cheaper mags. Tougher finish. Cheaper. Lighter. Has a rail. Bigbore's torture test. Just because some here have a odd need to go against the grain, common wisdom says that the Glock is popular for a reason...... Oh, and would you rather gunsmith or would you rather shoot? |
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I've got one of those RIA widebody 1911s in fo-tay.
It's a lot of fun. And a great USPSA Limited gun. |
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I have medium hands, g17's stupid finger grooves don't fit me well. I can shoot them ok, but the G19 grooves seem to be spaced a bit differently, so it's more comfortable. I can shoot them ok too. The only "1911"s I have are Sig P238s, and I'm pretty much in love with them.
So, if you have big manly hands, get a 17. If you have small womanly hands like me, get a 19. Or get a basic Springfield 1911, that fits everyone, and has ridiculously good customer service, if you need it. |
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A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and a crime against humanity. You should be ashamed of yourself. View Quote No, a 9mm 1911 is accepting a truth. A 1911 is a range toy IMHO. Cheaper is better for range toys. 9mm is cheaper. For defensive use, more capacity than the 1911 is capable of is attractive. Not having a lot of $ tied up in the pistol is also a desirable trait. Being lighter is good. I like 1911s for their history, their look.....they are a classic, beautiful design.......but they are outclassed for social use in the common age. |
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I have medium hands, g17's stupid finger grooves don't fit me well. I can shoot them ok, but the G19 grooves seem to be spaced a bit differently, so it's more comfortable. I can shoot them ok too. The only "1911"s I have are Sig P238s, and I'm pretty much in love with them. So, if you have big manly hands, get a 17. If you have small womanly hands like me, get a 19. Or get a basic Springfield 1911, that fits everyone, and has ridiculously good customer service, if you need it. View Quote You are right about the finger grooves........The grooves on the 19 don't fit me as well as the grooves on the 17 do. Both work fine and I've never had a problem with them (some people HATE them, fine, personal preference and all). |
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If you just want a range toy, get a Hi Point. If you want range toy that looks like a quality pistol, find a Canik
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Browning Hi Power and glock 19. Get both, skip the 9mm 1911
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911. THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box. They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP. Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring. The trigger is good. It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape. View Quote My Citadel 9mm 1911 that I have 300 dollars in runs great. |
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Addressing a few things here:
A range toy, not a carry gun. I already own a CZ I carry a shield The ONLY thing making me consider glocks are the huge mags I can get |
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Quoted: 100% range toy? Get the 9mm 1911. Who cares about reliability if it's a toy? That would be a LOT more fun to shoot than a Glock. Don't get me wrong--Glock is the no brainer if you'll ever carry it, but they're so reliable and simple that they're boring to shoot. View Quote As someone with a .45 1911, .38 super 1911, and a Glock 19, I'd go with a 9mm 1911 too for a fun range toy. Cheap ammo, still useful if you want to every carry it or use it for defense. You can look at a double stack 1911 too. |
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I would recommend the VP9 but the mags are spendy and not as readily available.
The Glock is more trailer park trash gun |
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Addressing a few things here: A range toy, not a carry gun. I already own a CZ I carry a shield The ONLY thing making me consider glocks are the huge mags I can get View Quote Then what's stopping you? It's a $500 gun. Just go buy it, see if you like it. You are OK with striker fired pistols (shield) and Glock is the apex of that design (at least right now). |
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If not buying .45 ACP then buy a G19.
9mm 1911 hold like 9 rounds in the mag. G19 holds 15 and the G17 holds 17. |
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No, a 9mm 1911 is accepting a truth. A 1911 is a range toy IMHO. Cheaper is better for range toys. 9mm is cheaper. For defensive use, more capacity than the 1911 is capable of is attractive. Not having a lot of $ tied up in the pistol is also a desirable trait. Being lighter is good. I like 1911s for their history, their look.....they are a classic, beautiful design.......but they are outclassed for social use in the common age. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and a crime against humanity. You should be ashamed of yourself. No, a 9mm 1911 is accepting a truth. A 1911 is a range toy IMHO. Cheaper is better for range toys. 9mm is cheaper. For defensive use, more capacity than the 1911 is capable of is attractive. Not having a lot of $ tied up in the pistol is also a desirable trait. Being lighter is good. I like 1911s for their history, their look.....they are a classic, beautiful design.......but they are outclassed for social use in the common age. Father John Moses doesn't like you. |
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You are right about the finger grooves........The grooves on the 19 don't fit me as well as the grooves on the 17 do. Both work fine and I've never had a problem with them (some people HATE them, fine, personal preference and all). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have medium hands, g17's stupid finger grooves don't fit me well. I can shoot them ok, but the G19 grooves seem to be spaced a bit differently, so it's more comfortable. I can shoot them ok too. The only "1911"s I have are Sig P238s, and I'm pretty much in love with them. So, if you have big manly hands, get a 17. If you have small womanly hands like me, get a 19. Or get a basic Springfield 1911, that fits everyone, and has ridiculously good customer service, if you need it. You are right about the finger grooves........The grooves on the 19 don't fit me as well as the grooves on the 17 do. Both work fine and I've never had a problem with them (some people HATE them, fine, personal preference and all). I have medium size hands, the grooves on the 17 seem to be perfect. The grooves on the 19 seem just a bit small, but when I grip it like a man my fingers get in line. |
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