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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:21:19 AM EDT
Which do I buy assuming I will only buy in 9mm and it will only be a range toy?  Kinda thinking RIA 9mm or g17.

Tell me I'm a heathen.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:37:35 AM EDT
[#1]
Really, glock and 1911 in thread title and no bites?  You guys are slacking.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:39:42 AM EDT
[#2]
g17
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:40:28 AM EDT
[#3]
If you're dead set on a 9 get a glock
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:40:55 AM EDT
[#4]
9mm 1911 and G22.

Watch the world burn.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:41:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Gen 4 glock 19.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:41:06 AM EDT
[#6]
Glock. 9mm 1911s are gross.


Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:41:26 AM EDT
[#7]
I don't either. Only clocks I am looking at getting are a G29 and G20.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:42:30 AM EDT
[#8]
Cheap Police tradein G22, then get a .357 SIG barrel, a 9mm barrel and some 9mm magazines. Three guns for the price of one and a half!

(You may have to replace the extractor and ejector to get the 9mm to work 100%, but plenty of people just drop in a 9mm barrel and it runs fine).
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:43:06 AM EDT
[#9]
Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911.  THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box.  They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP.

Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring.  The trigger is good.  It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:43:38 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:44:04 AM EDT
[#11]


Springfield Range Officer Operator.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:45:01 AM EDT
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911.  THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box.  They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP.

Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring.  The trigger is good.  It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape.
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My $900 1911 runs like a raped ape . How is this possible ?
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:45:46 AM EDT
[#13]
Glock 19

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Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:45:58 AM EDT
[#14]
You're a heathen.


I'm a heathen, too. Unless I find an outstanding deal on either, I will continue to be one.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:47:23 AM EDT
[#15]
What you carry brah?

G17 might be a better range gun.  G19 is good for carry.  If you get a Gen 4 G19 it may replace your carry piece.  
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:48:08 AM EDT
[#16]
I have had 6 Glocks and 1 1911

I still have 5 Glocks. Get the 17.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:51:21 AM EDT
[#17]
If you're going to buy a 9mm range toy, buy a Luger or something unique and cool.  
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:52:40 AM EDT
[#18]
A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and a crime against humanity. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:53:01 AM EDT
[#19]
You need not one, but two pistols OP.

G17

1911 in 45 ACP

Then, you'll need two more pistols:

1911 in 9mm

G21
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:54:48 AM EDT
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Really, glock and 1911 in thread title and no bites?  You guys are slacking.
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The argument is just a bit old these days that's all. While 3k 1911's certainly exist they aren't required to enjoy a reliable weapon, no matter how much children say so. RIA makes great pistols , I've owned two and wouldn't flinch at anything in their lineup. Glocks are cheap, really no reason not to own one. I sold mine cause it just didn't do much for me that I didn't already have.


Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:55:38 AM EDT
[#21]
I would never consider a Glock for a range toy.  Why would anyone? It's just a utilitarian tool. Nothing fun or aesthetically pleasing about it, it has a shitty trigger, and shitty sights. It's a good, but disposable, cop gun. Not a gun you buy for the shear joy of shooting or owning.

 
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 9:56:02 AM EDT
[#22]
EAA makes nice pistols, as does CZ.  Also consider Beretta, Sig, Taurus. I am not a fan of FN because it appears their customer service is primarily geared to military, and everyone else is third tier...not even second tier.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:01:06 AM EDT
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My $900 1911 runs like a raped ape . How is this possible ?
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911.  THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box.  They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP.

Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring.  The trigger is good.  It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape.



My $900 1911 runs like a raped ape . How is this possible ?


Anything is possible, or maybe we have a different idea about reliability.  The 1911 is a historically important design and a thing of beauty.  JMB was a genius.  The issue with it is that it is a design that was based on the assumption that parts would be machined and then hand fitted.  It is the same deal as the Winchester Model 12.  As labor costs have risen, hand-fitted 1911's are out of the reach of most people.  Ed Brown and Nighthawk are nice examples.  The lower end guns are made with MIM parts and are assembled without much in the way of fitting.  The result is that they just are as reliable as they should be.  There can be an occasional gun that works, but most sub-$1000 1911's I have seen have issues and require tinkering.

I own two 1911's, and they both work pretty well after I fooled with them a bit, but I haven't carried one in years.  I have numerous Glock and H&K pistols, none of which have ever required tinkering or even malfunctioned.

Pistols are a personal thing.  Carry what seems right to you.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:02:12 AM EDT
[#24]
If you own some type of CZ-75, you do not need or want a Glock or a 1911.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:03:08 AM EDT
[#25]
100% range toy? Get the 9mm 1911. Who cares about reliability if it's a toy? That would be a LOT more fun to shoot than a Glock.

Don't get me wrong--Glock is the no brainer if you'll ever carry it, but they're so reliable and simple that they're boring to shoot.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:05:25 AM EDT
[#26]
I'd never consider a Glock as something to go spend quality time with at the range, and have fun.



1911 in 45acp.



Too expensive to shoot a lot?



Get an 22lr conversion kit and shoot inexpensively, then drop the 45 parts back in and shoot a few mags of 45.



IMHO and YMMV

Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:06:08 AM EDT
[#27]
G17

More mag capacity.  Less finicky.  Cheaper mags.  Tougher finish.  Cheaper.  Lighter.  Has a rail.  Bigbore's torture test.

Just because some here have a odd need to go against the grain, common wisdom says that the Glock is popular for a reason......

Oh, and would you rather gunsmith or would you rather shoot?
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:09:31 AM EDT
[#28]
I've got one of those RIA widebody 1911s in fo-tay.

It's a lot of fun. And a great USPSA Limited gun.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:09:52 AM EDT
[#29]
I have medium hands, g17's stupid finger grooves don't fit me well. I can shoot them ok, but the G19 grooves seem to be spaced a bit differently, so it's more comfortable. I can shoot them ok too. The only "1911"s I have are Sig P238s, and I'm pretty much in love with them.

So, if you have big manly hands, get a 17. If you have small womanly hands like me, get a 19. Or get a basic Springfield 1911, that fits everyone, and has ridiculously good customer service, if you need it.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:13:03 AM EDT
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No, a 9mm 1911 is accepting a truth.  A 1911 is a range toy IMHO.  Cheaper is better for range toys.  9mm is cheaper.

For defensive use, more capacity than the 1911 is capable of is attractive.  Not having a lot of $ tied up in the pistol is also a desirable trait.  Being lighter is good.  

I like 1911s for their history, their look.....they are a classic, beautiful design.......but they are outclassed for social use in the common age.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:13:11 AM EDT
[#31]
Glock 17 all the way.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:14:38 AM EDT
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I have medium hands, g17's stupid finger grooves don't fit me well. I can shoot them ok, but the G19 grooves seem to be spaced a bit differently, so it's more comfortable. I can shoot them ok too. The only "1911"s I have are Sig P238s, and I'm pretty much in love with them.

So, if you have big manly hands, get a 17. If you have small womanly hands like me, get a 19. Or get a basic Springfield 1911, that fits everyone, and has ridiculously good customer service, if you need it.
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You are right about the finger grooves........The grooves on the 19 don't fit me as well as the grooves on the 17 do.  Both work fine and I've never had a problem with them (some people HATE them, fine, personal preference and all).

Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:15:53 AM EDT
[#33]
If you just want a range toy, get a Hi Point. If you want range toy that looks like a quality pistol, find a Canik
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:17:02 AM EDT
[#34]
USP TACTICAL 9

Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:17:48 AM EDT
[#35]
Browning Hi Power and glock 19. Get both, skip the 9mm 1911
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:18:31 AM EDT
[#36]
Range use?

Definitely 1911 in 9mm.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:18:44 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:18:46 AM EDT
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Glock is a no brainer, especially if the alternative is an RIA 1911.  THere are 1911's that run relaibly and are good to go out of the box.  They usually cost over $3K and are chambered in .45 ACP.

Seriously, the G17 is so reliable its boring.  The trigger is good.  It is not as crisp as a SA trigger, but that is a small price to pay for an inexpensive pistol that runs like a raped ape.
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My Citadel 9mm 1911 that I have 300 dollars in runs great.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:19:14 AM EDT
[#39]
Addressing a few things here:

A range toy, not a carry gun.
I already own a CZ
I carry a shield


The ONLY thing making me consider glocks are the huge mags I can get
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:19:55 AM EDT
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100% range toy? Get the 9mm 1911. Who cares about reliability if it's a toy? That would be a LOT more fun to shoot than a Glock.



Don't get me wrong--Glock is the no brainer if you'll ever carry it, but they're so reliable and simple that they're boring to shoot.
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As someone with a .45 1911, .38 super 1911, and a Glock 19, I'd go with a 9mm 1911 too for a fun range toy. Cheap ammo, still useful if you want to every carry it or use it for defense. You can look at a double stack 1911 too.






Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:22:32 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:22:44 AM EDT
[#42]
I would recommend the VP9 but the mags are spendy and not as readily available.
The Glock is more trailer park trash gun
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:25:14 AM EDT
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I would recommend the VP9 but the mags are spendy and not as readily available.
The Glock is more trailer park trash gun
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Trailer Trash vs Euro Trash, I know which one I'm betting on in a fight (so long as soccer isn't involved).
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:28:58 AM EDT
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Addressing a few things here:

A range toy, not a carry gun.
I already own a CZ
I carry a shield


The ONLY thing making me consider glocks are the huge mags I can get
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Then what's stopping you?  It's a $500 gun.  Just go buy it, see if you like it.  You are OK with striker fired pistols (shield) and Glock is the apex of that design (at least right now).

Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:29:20 AM EDT
[#45]
If not buying .45 ACP then buy a G19.

9mm 1911 hold like 9 rounds in the mag.  G19 holds 15 and the G17 holds 17.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:33:10 AM EDT
[#46]
1911s only come in .45 ACP

9mm chambered ones are abortions that make JMB weep in his grave

Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:33:14 AM EDT
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No, a 9mm 1911 is accepting a truth.  A 1911 is a range toy IMHO.  Cheaper is better for range toys.  9mm is cheaper.

For defensive use, more capacity than the 1911 is capable of is attractive.  Not having a lot of $ tied up in the pistol is also a desirable trait.  Being lighter is good.  

I like 1911s for their history, their look.....they are a classic, beautiful design.......but they are outclassed for social use in the common age.
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A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and a crime against humanity. You should be ashamed of yourself.


No, a 9mm 1911 is accepting a truth.  A 1911 is a range toy IMHO.  Cheaper is better for range toys.  9mm is cheaper.

For defensive use, more capacity than the 1911 is capable of is attractive.  Not having a lot of $ tied up in the pistol is also a desirable trait.  Being lighter is good.  

I like 1911s for their history, their look.....they are a classic, beautiful design.......but they are outclassed for social use in the common age.


Father John Moses doesn't like you.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:33:41 AM EDT
[#48]
Glock
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:33:49 AM EDT
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You are right about the finger grooves........The grooves on the 19 don't fit me as well as the grooves on the 17 do.  Both work fine and I've never had a problem with them (some people HATE them, fine, personal preference and all).

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I have medium hands, g17's stupid finger grooves don't fit me well. I can shoot them ok, but the G19 grooves seem to be spaced a bit differently, so it's more comfortable. I can shoot them ok too. The only "1911"s I have are Sig P238s, and I'm pretty much in love with them.

So, if you have big manly hands, get a 17. If you have small womanly hands like me, get a 19. Or get a basic Springfield 1911, that fits everyone, and has ridiculously good customer service, if you need it.


You are right about the finger grooves........The grooves on the 19 don't fit me as well as the grooves on the 17 do.  Both work fine and I've never had a problem with them (some people HATE them, fine, personal preference and all).



I have medium size hands, the grooves on the 17 seem to be perfect.  The grooves on the 19 seem just a bit small, but when I grip it like a man my fingers get in line.
Link Posted: 10/28/2016 10:35:12 AM EDT
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You need not one, but two pistols OP.

G17

1911 in 45 ACP

Then, you'll need two more pistols:

1911 in 9mm

G21
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Unless you're suppressing it, modern 9mm JHP begs the question why a .45 cal Glock.
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