Sorry to hear about your child.

What the fuck are you on?

 
bullshit op says people dont die of those things in America

 

Can't believe this thread is still going.

logic and common sense do not belong here.

Autism.

Bwahahaha another Trumpie comes out and amazes us all with his intellect, wit, and 2nd grade writing ability.

I warned you.
I was looking at vids and that site came up on some REALLY out there dude's video. I had to check it out. Yeah, it's a tad tough to....one of the frikken articles on the side actually says illuminati.

But, if you read the vaccine lady's articles....though a tad bat shit crazy, what she is saying is not wrong.
Kind of in the category of....just because I am paranoid doesn't mean *they* aren't out to get me.

Hey, some of those bat shit crazy people get it right.....and frighten, way more often than what would make a regular person comfortable.
I mean, that BSE thread, I learned about conspiracy theories I've never heard of.

Anything involving the "vaccine debate" (and again, I am not a rabid anti vaxxer, at all) is going to turn up some seriously out there folks and ideas.

No, I don't think the govt planned this. I don't give them that much credit.
I do think it's a fuck up that is now being covered up. It's being covered up for money. Money that the govt and the drug companies don't want to pay out in law suits and continuing money because vaccines are big biz, autie drugs are big biz, so are ADD drugs and the like.
So, do I think some Dr Evil looking guys thought in a lab....let's mess up a bunch of kids. No, that's insane.

Anyway....don't say I didn't warn you. LOL

That is possible.
We already know that's happened over and over again.
I actually learned about the high rate of black boys effected the other day. Didn't know that link existed. But it was kind of creepy, because we already know govt scientists *have*, as a fact, no tin foil hat stuff....as a fact has purposely experimented on groups of minorities and others.

There's a whole anti vaxxer faction that thinks this was purposeful as a means of population control. If you read the whole leftie slant, population control is the key to fighting global warming.

So all the people screaming, the govt wouldn't do that to us!
Well, yes they would and they have. More than once.
So to think they might be experimenting on us again isn't all that far fetched.

See, nobody gets it, so we shouldn't be getting vaccinated for it!!!

Yes, I know. But if you read the current "scientific" research on it, global warming is real and we're all going to die if we keep eating steak and driving large deasil pick up trucks. And gins, they cause global warming, too. And Trump....he's doing something bad to make global warming worse, I'm sure of it.

Anyway, the whole "Global Warming debate"....yeah, try to be a scientist right about now and say that it's normal and not something we, as humans, can fix. People will flip out.
"The govt and SCIENCE says it's true!"
But, most of us know it's total bullshit.

One theory is that the vaccines contain peanut oil in part of the process (?).
It's hard to get much info on that, but it is something that's been discussed.
If you have one component of a vaccine....the body is supposed to be fighting the virus as an invader, so if peanut oil is used, stands to reason that it may decide to fight peanuts every time it's reintroduced to the body.

I can't get real technical or link stuff because I need to get on the road. But, I'll come back to this because it is an interesting topic that might very easily explain why SO MANY children now have nearly lethal peanut allergies compared to 40 years ago.

Terrorist activity has increased over the past 40 years.
Airline travel has increased over the past 40 years.
The world's population has increased over the past 40 years.

Conclusion: air travel gets women pregnant with terrorist babies.

If I don't answer you in a day or 2, please poke me with this again. I would like to discuss this aspect further. I just have to get out the door and can't screw around on the introwebs for an hour.

 

This.

Also...

Dr. House vs. ThePatriotNurse

According to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a whopping 0.6% of the population (adults AND children combined) have a peanut allergy.

HOLY SHIT!!! PANIC!!!  

No amount of logic, science, voodoo, or alien probes are going to convince you of anything - but I love watching you stroke out over the things you don't understand.

Kind of like the comments section on Huff post, at times, isn't it.
It has been interesting to watch on a forum you would *think* would be....well...not like that.

I'm on the road for the next 12+ hours. But, please....keep the conversation going. We're actually getting some decent discussion through the poo slinging.

Less then 1 percent of the population has a peanut allergy. Plus 40 years ago when someone had a peanut allergy they tended to die when they inevitable ingested peanuts somehow so that kept the number down a bit.

 

Equally astonished here.

I like how you pull out the "1 in 56" number when it works for you.

I have a friend whose daughter is diagnosed "on the spectrum" because she's detail-oriented, doesn't like the feel of certain fabrics, and doesn't like loud noises. That's it--she's otherwise unremarkable in any way. Now, maybe that's a diagnosable illness now, but in the past it would have been "Sorry, I know you don't like the feel of wool but we can't afford silk, so you're going to have to deal with it." One of the best employees in my line of work has Asperger's syndrome, which doesn't stop him from being a genius with a great job, even if he's socially awkward. Those are the people you have to lump in with the highly affected people who don't speak, don't make eye contact, and wear diapers their whole lives in order to get to 1 in 56. You're going to have to settle on one definition of "autism" before we can get much further.

As a parent who has a child who had reactions (fortunately no permanent damage) to two of her vaccinations, I started researching their safety back in 2013.



I was shocked to find out that in 1986 the Federal Government set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which basically gives qualified immunity from damages to vaccine manufacturers.  If you believe that your child was harmed by a vaccine you must go to this court, presided over by the Federal Government, and the burden of proof is on you to show harm.  Of course, the court does not accept autism as a legal determination, only autism like symptoms. Never the less, they have paid out over 3 billion dollars to families injured by vaccines.



As someone who knows the Government does not have my best interests in mind when it sets up programs like this, I see Government mandated vaccines as just another way for the rich to get richer at the little guys expense, with the collusion of Government.



When you look at the SV40 contaminated polio virus debacle, and then read this in The Federal Register from June 1, 1984 "... any possible doubts, whether or not well founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist in view of the need to assure that the vaccine will continue to be used to the maximum extent consistent with the nation's public health objectives."  To paraphrase, they don't give a shit about how safe or effective a vaccine is, the party line will always be that they are safe and effective.  Funny, that this was published in 1984.



For the record, I am not anti all vaccines.  I am concerned with the number of vaccines given, the spacing or lack thereof of the shots, the chemicals (aluminum, thimerosal) in the shots, and the actual efficacy of these vaccines given what we now know about the microbial connection to our immune systems and these vaccines bypassing those microbes due to direct injection in the bloodstream.



I find it amusing that the same people who gnash their teeth about any kind of gun control because the Government can't be trusted with our guns will roll over and play dead just because the CDC cays vaccines are good and that anyone who opposes vaccines or tries to determine exactly what effect they have on the body is immediately called out as loons.  It is the same thing non-gun people call us for opposing stupid (in their mind) gun regulation.

There is no credible evidence that Hillary is the enemy of the second amendment either. I heard that on Anderson Cooper.
My child's pediatric neurologist has testified in court that he was witnessed cases where vaccines have lead to autism. A few years the head of the CDC admitted vaccines can cause autism on live TV on a CNN interview. Blames it on mitochondrial disorder. Her name is Julie Gerberding or something like that, then later took a multi million dollar job at Merck. Then there is Frank Defastano in a recorded interview with Sharyl Attkisson admitted that vaccines possibly can rarely cause autism but it is hard to predict  who will be affected.

So 3 people on the top at the CDC on the record have admitted that it's possible, or that they've seen it. But somehow ARF GD can't fathom it?

To check for mitochondrial disorder is about a $50K test in case any of you were curious.

Actually a roll of a die is 1 in 6, so 1 in 56 is much slimmer odds than rolling a six sided die.

 

In your case, I'll tell you exactly what it was. You said your child had multiple seizures as a baby, and you had to perform CPR.

 

That means oxygen to the brain was reduced during critical times in development. That is why your child has autism.


What caused the seizures? Dunno.

Where are you getting these numbers? 1 in 500k? People that are now diagnosed with autism used to simply be "odd" or sent to a mental institution, or kept at home. It's not like there's a new epidemic.

Not if you have autism

Fucking gluten "allergies" are rampant!

 

Yep, or even just mortality rate in general.

 

Thats why those god damn pharmaceutical company's give away vaccines in 3rd world countries it turns them a huge profit!

 
You know what else aluminum is in? Pretty much Everything. Thiomersal isnt in American or European vaccines anymore.

Yes, thimerosal is still in a few like the flu shot. They changed the law to call it trace amounts so it can be removed from the ingredients list. VOC free paint still has VOC in it, and lead free ammo still has lead in it.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (= 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.

Any I'm pretty sure pharma isn't giving away those vaccines in Africa, someone is paying for them like the gates foundation and others.

 
the amount of money pharmaceutical companies make off vaccines is so small it could be a rounding error

which is essentially nothing. Tattoo inks have it in higher amounts but people dont go ape shit over that

 

Paul Offit sold his patent for one vaccine for 186 million plus royalties.
It's absurd to think pharma doesn't make money off of vaccines or they wouldn't need to to lobby politicians to get their vaccine onto that state's mandatory schedule.
Do you think they are vaccinating babies for STDs for any reason outside of profit?
If the AIDs vaccine would come out today, and there is a 2% chance something can go wrong but your kid gets kicked out of school what would you do? Do you give him aids vax or not? If your son isn't gay he might not be in the risk group for aids.

Last time I checked the Government was not forcing us to get tattoos (well, at least not yet.)



Paradoxically, they evacuate entire schools over a broken thermometer with mercury, even though there is almost zero chance of liquid mercury on your skin causing any medical problems, yet mandate that it be injected in your veins.



 

 

A whole 180 million? omg that is insane o wait never mind that is nothing. worldwide pharmaceutical companys generate over a trillion dollars a year less then 2 percent of that from vaccines.

Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal have 1 microgram or less of mercury. For comparison A can of tuna has about 11 micro grams and Breast milk contains  around 1.5 micro grams of mercury per liter.




 

I'm on board. Go TRUMP!

Are you injecting breast milk or tuna into your newborn babies veins?



 

Why does breast milk have mercury in it at all? Where did that mercury come from? As I recall, they didn't take mercury out of vaccines until around 1990? Some time around then. Women who were kids before then would have been vaccinated with mercury-containing serum. There are other possible sources: tuna, food, exposure to chemicals from work, etc. I don't know the answer, just some correlations.

I'm surprised the Cutter Incident isn't being discussed more here. It's a huge scandal in the history of vaccines. I'll go one step further and wager that 99% of those on here saying the equivalent of "Derp, vaccines are 100% safe derp" have NO IDEA about the history of vaccines or of epidemiology in general. Here's a hint: Childhood illnesses declined sharply around the time that indoor and citywide plumbing and better nutrition appeared. They were already well on the decline by the time vaccines became widely injected in the 1950s. Doctors also changed their diagnostic criteria for whooping cough, polio, measles, etc. around that time, so it is hard to claim that vaccines alone caused this drop in illness when A) the rates were already declining, and B) doctors made their diagnostic criteria more stringent.

Has anyone thought about why autoimmune disorders, allergies (not just peanuts), and autism are on the rise - even beyond controlling for better screening methods? As for autoimmune disorders, some doctors think that this is due to vaccines. The immune system of a baby is relatively weak on purpose: it is still finding out what is the enemy and what isn't, and learning that its own tissues are not to be attacked. Vaccinating a baby or young child - but especially a baby - puts the immune system immediately on the defensive and makes the body extremely reactive. In those whose immune systems are more reactive than usual, it is theorized that the injection of foreign bodies at so young an age makes the body start attacking everything, not just the vaccine. The MMR vaccine is DIRECTLY LINKED to connective tissue disease later in life.

Why is it that most outbreaks of whooping cough / measles / etc. are caused by vaccinated - NOT unvaccinated - children? And that unvaccinated children tend to recover faster than vaccinated children? Scientists don't even know the answer to this.

Here's what scares me: Mothers who were vaccinated are not passing along the same antibodies for common illnesses as mothers who had the illness(es) and developed lifelong immunity. Doctors are seeing that vaccinated children are more susceptible, and react more strongly, to these common illnesses than even children before vaccines are documented to have done, because the antigens developed in response to a vaccine are not the same as the ones you develop when you naturally encounter the illness and are not vaccinated. The implications of this are enormous and frightening.

So many people are going "SCIENCE, YAY!" Except scientists DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE IMMUNE SYSTEM FULLY - which means they shouldn't be fucking with it. And they are often wrong about all kinds of things. I have no earthly idea why people who are normally logical suddenly slam their minds shut and just parrot, "Vaccines don't cause autism, vaccines are safe, you are stupid, read science." I don't think most laypeople realize the extent to which peer-reviewed material is compromised. If it doesn't fit the mainstream agenda, it usually isn't published - there is a huge swath of discrimination bearing down on conservatives in US colleges and universities, and this extends to the "science," if you can call it that. Don't believe me? Research the peer-review system and its bias against conservatives; it's creating a rotten research foundation. Vaccines are a topic that actually unites the left and the right, with the mainstream view being that vaccines are totally safe and totally necessary.

Go ahead and label me a loon. I don't give a shit. I used to be in lockstep with the pro-vaccine people, but I finally bothered to do some reading beyond a mainstream media "debunking" of Andrew Wakefield. The reactions on this thread are like leftists with gun control: Completely ignoring sources that contradict your view, and a lot of ad hominem attacks. Instead of reading the links or watching the videos posted by the other side, you simply dismiss it on principle and don't bother to increase your body of knowledge. Logic goes out the window when parents of vaccinated children can lord their perceived moral superiority over other people. Another data point for my misanthropy.

Do you honestly know the content of your child's vaccines? Even the trace ingredients that aren't mandated by law to be listed? I didn't think so.

Just by the way OP types, I can tell she's not very educated.

Probably explains alot of this actually...  

Go Trump!!! If you betas really like forced mandates just vote for HRC.

lol, holy shit.

Sweet.