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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:40:26 AM EDT
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Isn't the AK safety a dust cover?
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:41:10 AM EDT
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:45:44 AM EDT
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Shoulder thing that goes up. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:50:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. In this case a knife, stick, or other object could have been used to pull it back with both hands. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:50:09 AM EDT
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Yep. If you're worried about a ready cleaning rod for bore obstructions you can band an assembled GI to the left side. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:52:31 AM EDT
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How do you clear it when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? There just isn't an easy way to apply a lot of muscle to the stock charging handle. Stoner designed the rifle with the charging handle in the carry handle. In this case a knife stick or other object could have been used to pull it back. Earlier Stoner prototypes had fixed charging handle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Inertia. You might not think it will work, but it either works, or the rim is torn/distorted. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:52:59 AM EDT
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How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? There just isn't an easy way to apply a lot of muscle to the stock charging handle. Earlier Stoner prototypes had fixed charging handle and future ones had the charging handle in the carry handle. In this case a knife stick or other object could have been used to pull it back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Collapse the stock, apply firm pressure to the charging handle and smack the rifle into the ground. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:53:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. If you're worried about a ready cleaning rod for bore obstructions you can band an assembled GI to the left side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Yep. If you're worried about a ready cleaning rod for bore obstructions you can band an assembled GI to the left side. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:59:03 AM EDT
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Collapse the stock, apply firm pressure to the charging handle and smack the rifle into the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Collapse the stock, apply firm pressure to the charging handle and smack the rifle into the ground. The coefficient of static friction is greater than that of motive friction. In normal words when the rifle hits the ground the shock causes the casing to move some and the pressure on the charging handle keeps it moving out. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:59:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? There just isn't an easy way to apply a lot of muscle to the stock charging handle. Earlier Stoner prototypes had fixed charging handle and future ones had the charging handle in the carry handle. In this case a knife stick or other object could have been used to pull it back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Seriously, it's how you do it, and it works. You can try to rationalize why it might not, but you'd be arguing against... that it straight up works and is the way that is thought to fix the problem. It can be replicated on shooting ranges by bumping the CH against the edge of a table or other fixed object to keep the barrel pointing down range, or taking a mallet and giving the CH a little bump or two till it comes out. What you did was the equivalent of using a box wrench to pull off lugnuts instead of an impact driver. (not that anyone on arf understands analogies, but still I try) |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:02:15 AM EDT
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(not that anyone on arf understands analogies, but still I try) I hate analogies. That's what Benadryl is for. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:04:58 AM EDT
[#12]
Science from Youtube.
Note: AK got in the way, as it was not in the proper receptacle. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:07:59 AM EDT
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Have you never heard of mortaring an ar?
I dont want a dust cover or a fixed charging handle |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:16:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:26:46 AM EDT
[#15]
Fixed charging handles are of no advantage. AKs have a dust cover that covers the entire receiver.
You can pogo rifles without fixed charging handles like FALs, though if you have to it indicates a problem and that rifle is pretty much out of action. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:07:49 AM EDT
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How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? First, those two "grown men" hand their purses to their husbands or girlfriends, or maybe let the gals have a go while they do their nails, creampuff? |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:30:17 AM EDT
[#17]
M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:37:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:38:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, those two "grown men" hand their purses to their husbands or girlfriends, or maybe let the gals have a go while they do their nails, creampuff? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? First, those two "grown men" hand their purses to their husbands or girlfriends, or maybe let the gals have a go while they do their nails, creampuff?  You seem a little emotional? |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:42:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. More then one option available for that. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:44:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why, so it can snag on everything and get hung on gear? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. Also this. Side chargers only make sense on a gun with no BHO. The AR has a perfect location for its charging handle. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:14:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it was a .308 so a little more difficult You seem a little emotional?Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? First, those two "grown men" hand their purses to their husbands or girlfriends, or maybe let the gals have a go while they do their nails, creampuff? You seem a little emotional?It was difficult because you didn't know what you were doing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:40:35 AM EDT
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Also this. Side chargers only make sense on a gun with no BHO. The AR has a perfect location for its charging handle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. Also this. Side chargers only make sense on a gun with no BHO. The AR has a perfect location for its charging handle. Not really. There is a direct path from the chamber to the rear opening of the charging handle. It causes blowback, particularly when suppressed. Receiver should be enclosed. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:51:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. There is a direct path from the chamber to the rear opening of the charging handle. It causes blowback, particularly when suppressed. Receiver should be enclosed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. Also this. Side chargers only make sense on a gun with no BHO. The AR has a perfect location for its charging handle. Not really. There is a direct path from the chamber to the rear opening of the charging handle. It causes blowback, particularly when suppressed. Receiver should be enclosed. Simply fixes to that. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:54:50 AM EDT
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:08:56 AM EDT
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So the consensus is that a side charger on an AR will get hung up on gear but those huge ambi latches will not?
Interesting quixotic of a double standard right there. Thank god I shoot southpaw. #righthandissueslol |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:12:47 AM EDT
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First, those two "grown men" hand their purses to their husbands or girlfriends, or maybe let the gals have a go while they do their nails, creampuff? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? First, those two "grown men" hand their purses to their husbands or girlfriends, or maybe let the gals have a go while they do their nails, creampuff? I can hardly catch my Fucking breath, Circuits! That was a hilarious answer! 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:13:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. There is a direct path from the chamber to the rear opening of the charging handle. It causes blowback, particularly when suppressed. Receiver should be enclosed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The AR has a perfect location for its charging handle. Not really. There is a direct path from the chamber to the rear opening of the charging handle. It causes blowback, particularly when suppressed. Receiver should be enclosed. The side effect of it allowing blowback because civilians adopted the rifle as a suppressor host 50 years later is... not a good argument. Plus that very, VERY narrow case has been addressed multiple ways by the market place. Which is another benefit of he AR CH design... it can be customized and swapped out for different CH's to suit the users needs or wants. TL;DR One thing that you don't like doesn't negate all of the positives of the AR CH placement, design, and adaptability. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:19:23 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the consensus is that a side charger on an AR will get hung up on gear but those huge ambi latches will not? Interesting quixotic of a double standard right there. Thank god I shoot southpaw. #righthandissueslol Though, the simple use of regular old dumb logic wrecks it by the simple concept of "don't choose to add a huge ambi latch". But, feel free to keep tilting at windmills. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:05:39 AM EDT
[#30]
Well shit, I admit I didn't know about "mortaring" Damn good thing to know! And its so early in the morning I might learn two things today! :)
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:30:36 AM EDT
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Has anyone had a bullet stuck in a barrel after removing the case in a combatish type rifle? The rifling is so far away I don't see how this could happen. I load my 90gr SMKs to 2.580"(5/16" over magazine length) and I am still not into the rifling. I cannot see how a round that fit the magazine could put a bullet into the rifling.
I know he was talking about a stuck round but he also mentioned the bullet being stuck in the barrel. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:06:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed charging handles are of no advantage. AKs have a dust cover that covers the entire receiver. You can pogo rifles without fixed charging handles like FALs, though if you have to it indicates a problem and that rifle is pretty much out of action. This is the one I've been considering. Seems the receiver is way to beefy.  |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 8:35:22 AM EDT
[#33]
Uh, yeah the AK safety definitely offers more protection from crud getting in the gun than that thing.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 8:41:30 AM EDT
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I guess if all you wanted to do was make a fake argument and try to sound intelligent buy (misusing) the word "quixotic" then that would all make sense. Though, the simple use of regular old dumb logic wrecks it by the simple concept of "don't choose to add a huge ambi latch". But, feel free to keep tilting at windmills. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the consensus is that a side charger on an AR will get hung up on gear but those huge ambi latches will not? Interesting quixotic of a double standard right there. Thank god I shoot southpaw. #righthandissueslol But, feel free to keep tilting at windmills. Don't know about windmills but I know I much prefer the charging handle on my Daewoo over the AR's charging handle. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:46:21 AM EDT
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 Im in the process of assembling a billet non-reciprocating left side charging upper with dust cover and fwd assist .It uses a mil-spec bolt ar15 / m16 . let the hate flow 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:29:52 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh, yeah the AK safety definitely offers more protection from crud getting in the gun than that thing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:36:48 PM EDT
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So the consensus is that a side charger on an AR will get hung up on gear but those huge ambi latches will not? Interesting quixotic of a double standard right there. Thank god I shoot southpaw. #righthandissueslol #gslpostingignorantshitlol |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you are stretching it a bit. The only exposed surface in both examples is the bolt carrier, not seeing how it offers any additional benefit. The ak safety is preventing stuff from getting into the firing mechanism, not protecting the carrier surface like the AR dust cover does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uh, yeah the AK safety definitely offers more protection from crud getting in the gun than that thing. Also the AK doesn't seem to be as failure prone when dirt gets in it than an AR. But hey, it's not like there are hundreds of videos online that have already gone over this. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:58:46 PM EDT
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charging handle placement and use is a false dilemma of range queens.
In combat, the charging handle should be used when you enter theater and when you leave theater. the rest of the time, keep your fucking gun loaded. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:05:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Or snap the head off the charging handle. I've done that. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: charging handle placement and use is a false dilemma of range queens. In combat, the charging handle should be used when you enter theater and when you leave theater. the rest of the time, keep your fucking gun loaded. With a side helping of training to correct the most common issues that can malfunction the most, following proportionally for training to correct less and less likely malfunctions. (Which really boils down the tap rack back, clearing double feeds, and clearing motherfucker jams) Use serviceable mags, inspect ammo while loading, keep stuff kind of clean, or at least not so dirty it binds up... not much to use the CH for. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:49:52 PM EDT
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Why, so it can snag on everything and get hung on gear? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. I just want an M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the side mounted forward, with a little detented hinge like an HK91. Am I gonna die? |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:27:11 PM EDT
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I just want an M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the side mounted forward, with a little detented hinge like an HK91. Am I gonna die? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. I just want an M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the side mounted forward, with a little detented hinge like an HK91. Am I gonna die? Of course you're gonna die - we all are, but not from wanting a folding side charging handle. You'll just get the AIDS that will eventually kill you from wanting that on an AR 
Now, maybe if was an ambi, in-the-carry handle top-charging handle like the G36? Maybe just a little hepatitis, then. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:42:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just want an M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the side mounted forward, with a little detented hinge like an HK91. Am I gonna die? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. I just want an M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the side mounted forward, with a little detented hinge like an HK91. Am I gonna die? Of course some sort of retro-fit thing could probably be dolled up. Or some FAL style folding CH. Probably only die from getting laughed at since most peoples AR's are range toys or SHTFantasy weapons anyways. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:44:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe if was an ambi, in-the-carry handle top-charging handle like the G36? Maybe just a little hepatitis, then. Gross as fuck. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:48:54 PM EDT
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How do you clear it without firing the stuck round when it takes 2 grown man pulling on the charging handle to extract the round? There just isn't an easy way to apply a lot of muscle to the stock charging handle. Earlier Stoner prototypes had fixed charging handle and future ones had the charging handle in the carry handle. In this case a knife, stick, or other object could have been used to pull it back with both hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. My AR10's jammed up like this once. Turns out it was a squib (powder didnt ignite, or there was no powder) Jammed the rifle up you couldnt rack it by hand. I cleared it by turning it sideways (horizontal to the shooting bench) and taping the charging handle into the side of the bench keeping the rifle pointed down range. Worked like a charm. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:49:52 PM EDT
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Inertia. You might not think it will work, but it either works, or the rim is torn/distorted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you mortar the AR you will clear anything or rip the rim off the case. There is no issue. You just haven't been taught how to clear it. Inertia. You might not think it will work, but it either works, or the rim is torn/distorted. Or this. but my range wouldnt let me point the loaded rifle at their ceiling lol |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 4:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean the cocking lever? The only reason it's set up like that is to give mechanical advantage to overcome the springs locking the rollers in place. It's form following function. Of course some sort of retro-fit thing could probably be dolled up. Or some FAL style folding CH. Probably only die from getting laughed at since most peoples AR's are range toys or SHTFantasy weapons anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the SIDE. That is all I want. I just want an M4 with non-reciprocating charging handle on the side mounted forward, with a little detented hinge like an HK91. Am I gonna die? Of course some sort of retro-fit thing could probably be dolled up. Or some FAL style folding CH. Probably only die from getting laughed at since most peoples AR's are range toys or SHTFantasy weapons anyways. There is a fal style left side charging upper available. I'm building an AR that won't have BHO and have been searching for a good left side charger. That one wouldn't make sense for me  |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ak safety doesn't provide any additional dust protection than an AR side charger does, it's more of a huge hole to the action cover This is the one I've been considering. Seems the receiver is way to beefy. https://www.rainierarms.com/media/product/49e/mega-billet-side-upper-m0300-by-mega-arms-17e.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fixed charging handles are of no advantage. AKs have a dust cover that covers the entire receiver. You can pogo rifles without fixed charging handles like FALs, though if you have to it indicates a problem and that rifle is pretty much out of action. This is the one I've been considering. Seems the receiver is way to beefy. https://www.rainierarms.com/media/product/49e/mega-billet-side-upper-m0300-by-mega-arms-17e.jpg Look into three MAS defense side charger. I'm going to get one for a build that doesn't have BHO. Kinda unnecessary if you do have BHO, but you do you. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:17:20 PM EDT
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Fixed charging handle = reciprocating charging handle = pants-on-head.
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