3 weeks ago I shot a range rental M&P wth leupold deltapoint, and a RMR equipped FNX45.

First thought, I hated the Delta point. After shooting a few mags it became very easy to erase the bullseye and see nothing but Backstop through the target.

RMR is amazing

Police departments are slowly evaluating and acquiring these.  Mostlu limited swat only for now, but we have several classes a year now where firearms instructors are testing them and building momentum.

Is coming, but don't see it prevent for at least several years.

RMR EVERYTHING.

My SHTF pistol, sub gun, range pistol, and carry gun all run RMR's.

What a rookie. A real operator puts a short scope on everything.

What's a short scope?

Though cool looking, I liked using a Laser more. But i did have an the RMR (not LED), so it was harder to see.
A laser doesn't require aiming down the sights, but it does require low light.   I'd probably just get both in the future.

I have a FF3 8 moa in a Dueck Defense mount on my ccw 19.


Fuckin love it.

I'll get back to being interested when there are QD mounts available.

Tried it about 5 years ago on a Glock 34. My accuracy at long distance increased but my times up close were slower. Decided it wasn't for me.

I'm planning to buy a G34 soon and researching the advantages between a MOS and dedicated cut for a Trijicon RMR.

Also looking at the different RMRs they offer.

I'm settled on battery powered for my use but dot size I could use some recommendations from users.

This will be a range gun for the most part though I carry a different G34 on duty with a X300U.

Thoughts or recommendations...?

I use the 1 MOA RM09 model on my G19 that I carry. I definitely feel like the 6.5 MOA RM07 on my M&P is way too big.

My M&P9 with a RMR.  The holster was custom made.  I call the holster the Crusader

I like it.  Hardly any blow back with the above shown gun and quiet on the scorpion. I would not shoot my scorpion without it.  The module installed makes it really quiet and it very noticeable from the short to long configuration. Yes with the Performance Center model that I have you can see the irons through the rmr screen without an issue.  It is somewhere between a lower 1/3 cowitness and an absolute cowitness where the irons are see through the screen with that particular rmr and PC sights.

If you cant shoot with worth a shit with irons they will not make you a better shooter. I have tried them but prefer irons.

I have some on my target pistols, and they work great for that.  I would not think they provide any benefit in a situation like a car jacking or mugging or anytime that you would have to instantly draw and shoot, but who knows.

They do look cool though.

That holster is fucking sweet!

Not sure what you mean by better shooter but I can tell you in the many defensive handgun classes I have taken my groups are much smaller and shoot quicker at 25 yards with an rmr than iron sights.  The front sight covers the entire upper body on a man size target at 25 yards while using trijicon hd sights.

I like them on my 22 too.
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Nice, I have the same setup on my 22/45 but with olive VZ's.

Your the only person I have heard of saying that. if anything it shows mistakes your making shooting irons

Actually they will.

I use my wifes rmr with new shooters who cant even hit the paper

I love shooting this gun and quiet with the Axiom. Do you have a picture?

Not much left from ruger on this one.

 
As soon as I buy a G34, the 6 Second mount will be purchased.

I'm really considering picking up a G19 MOS and an RM06 just to give it a try.

For a long time irons on rifles were the only way to go since optics were either not rugged enough or to large to be practical. Then optics improved and now an optic on a fighting rifle seems like a requirement. I think we might be seeing the same transition now with handguns.

This is considered a handgun in michigan and I used a deltapoint pro on it.
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Agree.  I have a big dot on a G19 EDC.  My next one will be a small dot.

I recommend a low mount custom cut to accomodate irons...not because the dot will fail, but because irons will help in getting used to the dot.

Dont worry about finding the dot.  In the beginning build muscle memory by finding the front sight first like a non-RDS gun.  The dot will automatically be there.  

After some honest working at it you will build enough memory to have the dot in the window most of the time and to go straight to it without needing to index off irons.

Then the accuracy advantage of the small dot will really shine, with little to no speed penalty IME.

2 weeks ago I would have answered "seems dumb" to this question.


Who can mill my M&P slide for an optic? Plz?

Lots of people do that nowadays, one that always sticks in my head is Doug at ATEI...gorgeous work!

The other way to do this is suppressor hight sites

no milling needed

Your friend, Google is

I need to find a list of vendors that offer slide milling.  I only know of Suarez and my step-dad had a pretty raw experience with them and he said he wouldn't recommend them for that service again.

Anyone know of such a list or know who else offers it?

I've considered the dovetail mount, but the milling is still kind of attractive as I was going to move to suppressor height sights anyway (because suppressor) and the cowitness would be dope.

 

Just swapped upper to the rail only version.  Here it is ready for the dot.

The dueck defense mount has irons

"Made for GLOCK Handguns. For use with Trijicon RMR Red Dot."



Soooo, that's out. :-/



 


edit: I take it back. That might be an option...Anyone ever used one of these? Is the super-short sight radius any kind of issue? (esp when it's basically only for emergencies and "dot finding"...)


 

Really well made hunk of steel. My wifes g19 still fits in its raven holster. The irons really help for dot finding.

Some thoughts after 5+ years of running an RMR on my guns 24/7/365. G19/RMR01(my EDC) and a G34/RMR06.

I am not a fan of workaround gimmicks to mimic a properly set up RDS gun. They are often disappointments...Not sure you want to pull the trigger,? Go rent an MOS Glock at the range, shoot someones gun, attend an RDS Pistol class.

Slides cut for an RMR are the best route...it gets the RMR into a slot tight enough if cut properly to provide complete lockup, zero shift and prevents failure of component add ons used to mount the RMR/RDS when a dedicated slide cut is not used. It also lowers the sight closer to the center axis of the bore, moves the CG/moment of the RMR closer in line with the centerline of the slide. The amount of metal removed in the milling process is almost identical to the weight of the RMR so there is little to no added weight to the slide of an add on aftermarket component. The lower the RMR is in the slide the more easily it is to get solid co-witness with the irons (suppressor height). Irons are ESSENTIAL to successfully transitioning to the RMR'd pistol...think of them as training wheels...learning to ride again...some even turn the RMR OFF during initial training to gain muscle/brain memory by concentrating on getting a perfect sight picture with the irons within the RMR's sight window. Once the RMR is turned on the dot is easily found. Some transition almost seamlessly. Some take a while, some give up too soon.

Battery life with a Trij RMR is 1+ years constant on...I simply change mine EVERY year on my birthday.

Never...ever reuse RMR mounting screws, they are inexpensive and if one shears off its often a PITA to remedy. A small I mean small dab of Blue Loctite or Blue Permatex Gel thread locker should be used. Best is to apply enough to paint a few threads and let it get a little tacky. Too much can cause hydraulic lock and gum up the extractor if it leaks into that channel. If your having extraction issues after installing you may be using the wrong length screw on that side.

Rain-X is fine (confirmed by two different Trij reps) for keeping an RMR sight window clean and fog free.I check my sight window for dust ever time I don.

There are plenty of dedicated RMR cut slides on the market now. There are lots more people cutting slides for them...go with a reputable guy...if your local guy has cut a 100 or more hes probably OK but not unless...Ive seen a couple of slides buggered up by competent smiths so deal with a pro...a cut for an RMR and a set of decent co-witnessing suppressor sights (non tritium) should cost you NO MORE THAN $200-$250. on your supplied slide.

Like Nike said...Just do it....

Yep!

And if you were planning to replace the Glock factory sights anyway, the cost of the Dueck Defense RBU is pretty much a wash. Huge plus for me is how you can install everything yourself with a $8 Glock front sight tool, a brass punch, and a hammer.

Doug at ATEi. He did my M&P on the last page and I couldn't be happier.

Thoughts on BUIS suppressor sight in front or behind the optic?

I love my RMR on my P-09. Moving targets are easy and it also shows you exactly what you're doing wrong.

Ok well I'm gonna troll the black friday deals to try and find a decent deal and go from there I gueeeeess.

Thoughts on BUSINESS of a suppressor sight in front or behind the optic?

Ok...beans or no beans?

My thoughts...more gimmick. The front sight on an RDS gun belongs EXACTLY where the front sight is on a non RDS gun...battery or sight failure...do you want an extremely short 1" or so sight radius or the full length factory radius? The rear sight on an RDS gun belongs EXACTLY where the rear sight belongs on a non RDS gun. Most rearward portion of the gun providing the clearest visual image to the shooters eye. Lots of faux innovation out there in the name of coolness and being one off or different. The default if an RDS fails should be exactly the same as the stock gun.

RMR are rugged but do fail (I have seen only 1)

On tritiums vs blacks...tried a set of trits on my gun as what I thought was  an upgrade (?) Got a great deal on a set. I ran them for a couple of range sessions and pulled them off, tooo busy with 4 dots in my window, some like them I do not...plain black suppressor sights for me.

Saaaaaweet gun...I have drooled over one of those for a while....

Trij has some funky pricing policies...you can sometimes find a decent deal on one but dont expect to hit the deal of the century on one...try the EE...bought several there...

I spent too much on a DP pro for my g19. Nice little optic, but I'm not a red dot on pistol kind of guy. Going to sell it when I get time.

I don't know skipper. I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it is to get decent hits with a 1" site radius. I was sceptical at first but once I tried it my confidence in the dueck defense mount was established.

I was about to get the slide milled when I found the dd mount. Considers that it mounts the rmr, includes sights, and still allows the use of the holsters I already have I think its a worthy option.

I found my wifes rmr on the ee for $300