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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:40:11 AM EDT
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He was supposed to start today but was pushed back to start the series opener against the Mets.
If he was to start today, he probably wouldn't have been out boating. Life is a fickle thing. Makes you think. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:41:24 AM EDT
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Boating at night is serious fucking business. Even in water you know well. Shit happens really, really fast even when you're not going fast because judging distances is extremely difficult.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:41:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn man all my guns were on that boat... 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:42:37 AM EDT
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That sucks..
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:42:44 AM EDT
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Awesome pitcher. Old school and not afraid to pitch inside. Passionate and fierce competitor.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:43:16 AM EDT
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May I guess? Big 'Go-fast' boat. Drinking. Hit something hard. Looks like a CC to me. New CC's go plenty fast nowadays. A buddy of mine has a 35' Contender with a pair of 300hp Yamaha's. It's a 65+ mph boat. At 55mph he walked right past me like I was standing still. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:45:34 AM EDT
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He was a stud and seemed like a good dude in all the interviews I saw of him. RIP.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:46:07 AM EDT
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You can just get Navionics on your phone for $15. That Jetty has been there since the 1930's it's not like it's suddenly changed any. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn crazy. One of the top players in the game. I do have to wonder though if there are any lights on the jetty? Or did they just not know where they were? Im sure alcohol played a factor. But it also seems like it would be a good idea to have a few lights along the rocks. Usually not lit at all. You can find them at night using NVGs because of the waves breaking on the rocks. It's also not a good idea to haul ass in the dark when you know there is a big pile of rocks out there. You can just get Navionics on your phone for $15. That Jetty has been there since the 1930's it's not like it's suddenly changed any. And it's a fucking outstanding app too. I really need to put it on a tablet in a waterproof case. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:47:45 AM EDT
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No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even with a smaller outboard that boat would do 35-45 mph, and those jetty rocks aren't moving. i womder if he had a life vest on and was found floating or if he knocked his head on something in the boat? Either way a sad deal. I love boating but you have to always be 100% aware or things like this happen. No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:48:40 AM EDT
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Damn, very talented guy.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:49:19 AM EDT
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And it's a fucking outstanding app too. I really need to put it on a tablet in a waterproof case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn crazy. One of the top players in the game. I do have to wonder though if there are any lights on the jetty? Or did they just not know where they were? Im sure alcohol played a factor. But it also seems like it would be a good idea to have a few lights along the rocks. Usually not lit at all. You can find them at night using NVGs because of the waves breaking on the rocks. It's also not a good idea to haul ass in the dark when you know there is a big pile of rocks out there. You can just get Navionics on your phone for $15. That Jetty has been there since the 1930's it's not like it's suddenly changed any. And it's a fucking outstanding app too. I really need to put it on a tablet in a waterproof case. Exactly. With nav software as easily accessible as it is today, no reason at all to be surprised by a jetty. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:50:06 AM EDT
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I'll always remember this. This guy had Cooperstown stuff. So sad.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:52:48 AM EDT
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Big loss for Sofla, Jose seemed like he was one of the good ones.
Boating at night is dangerous, It looks to me like the came in fast, got confused and misjudged where the cut jets out. Also given the fact that you have no FOV when the boats up and its a recipe, its pitch black out there. descanse en paz 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:53:24 AM EDT
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That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even with a smaller outboard that boat would do 35-45 mph, and those jetty rocks aren't moving. i womder if he had a life vest on and was found floating or if he knocked his head on something in the boat? Either way a sad deal. I love boating but you have to always be 100% aware or things like this happen. No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. IIRC, 80%+ of those killed in boating accidents are not wearing a PFD. As unobtrusive as they are today, it makes zero sense to not wear one, ESPECIALLY SO at night. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:55:37 AM EDT
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IIRC, 80%+ of those killed in boating accidents are not wearing a PFD. As unobtrusive as they are today, it makes zero sense to not wear one, ESPECIALLY SO at night. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even with a smaller outboard that boat would do 35-45 mph, and those jetty rocks aren't moving. i womder if he had a life vest on and was found floating or if he knocked his head on something in the boat? Either way a sad deal. I love boating but you have to always be 100% aware or things like this happen. No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. IIRC, 80%+ of those killed in boating accidents are not wearing a PFD. As unobtrusive as they are today, it makes zero sense to not wear one, ESPECIALLY SO at night. Lifeline FTW. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:57:31 AM EDT
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the poor boat....looked like a nice SeaVee.
Like most boating accidents this was probably due to a chain of events. 1. no pfd 2. too fast for the conditions 3. lack of training or use of GPS 4. lack of good judgement used. RIP |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:01:18 PM EDT
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That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even with a smaller outboard that boat would do 35-45 mph, and those jetty rocks aren't moving. i womder if he had a life vest on and was found floating or if he knocked his head on something in the boat? Either way a sad deal. I love boating but you have to always be 100% aware or things like this happen. No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. Doubt a pfd would of helped in that crash, thinking massive blunt force trauma. PFD's are hot, I don't own or wear plates to the range either. I've thrown one on going in a gnarly inlet a few times. Each his own and commend your crew's wearing them. But really hope mandatory wearing never comes up. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:02:33 PM EDT
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He just announced last week he and his wife were expecting there first child. Sad. Jesus Christ!!
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:04:08 PM EDT
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Boating at night is serious fucking business. Even in water you know well. Shit happens really, really fast even when you're not going fast because judging distances is extremely difficult. I boat at night all the time and even going 30 mph on the water shit happens fast. I use NV and I have gps and navionics but even all those won't show you a huge log floating barely above the surface . I have almost been hit by another boat that fucking turned into me as we where passing at night in a slight fog. (we were in a channel and about 50 yards apart)I have no idea what this Mtherfucker was thinking but it was surreal. I was a decent distance away and was sure he could see me but had to kick it up to 55 mph just to be safe. So even if you do everything right there are still things out of your control that you have to be always scanning for. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:07:57 PM EDT
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Driving at night with your interior lights on is bad. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:08:57 PM EDT
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RIP So sad for his family, he was going to have a baby soon as well. Just announced 5 days ago. 
The announcement picture shows her in a bikini, but you can view it here on his instagram jofez16 I'm so glad you came into my life. I'm ready for where this journey is gonna take us together. #familyfirst |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:11:22 PM EDT
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Driving at night with your interior lights on is bad. http://i.imgur.com/ESTwG89.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vKMco4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/168r0cb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Pgy7eJb.jpg
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:15:47 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s612.photobucket.com/user/americancheese1/media/1437932533_191fjkr_7fk8f_zps9o73hnep.gif.html" target="_blank">http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/americancheese1/1437932533_191fjkr_7fk8f_zps9o73hnep.gif</a> Too soon? LOL Nope 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:17:51 PM EDT
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Damn .
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:19:10 PM EDT
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Such a waste. And so ironic to die that way. He made it here on a shit boat from Cuba and saved his mother from drowning on the way. I wonder if his boat actually hit from the opposite side and flipped over to where it landed. They had to be moving flat out for that boat to look that way.
I hate the way people drive boats at night. I personally think GPS is part of the problem - people rely on them too much and drive a boat like its a video game. They don't hardly look where they are, where they're going, who else is around them, what the water/weather conditions/visibility are - no, just stare at that fucking Garmin and push the throttle to the stops. Just yesterday morning, before dawn, I was on my way out to fish and some guy blew by us, outside the markers. I know he was looking at his GPS and trying to stay outside the poles, what he most likely didn't realize is that he missed an old channel marker, without a sign on it and not on any GPS maps, by about 25 yards. Everytime I pass that pole, I wonder why it hasn't been removed and wonder when some dumbass driving like a car with cruise control is going to get split in half by it. Someone locally back in May put their walkaround up on a jetty I pass at least 2-3 times a week on our boat. They don't look to have been going as fast as Jose and had minor injuries.  |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:22:13 PM EDT
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Doubt a pfd would of helped in that crash, thinking massive blunt force trauma. PFD's are hot, I don't own or wear plates to the range either. I've thrown one on going in a gnarly inlet a few times. Each his own and commend your crew's wearing them. But really hope mandatory wearing never comes up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even with a smaller outboard that boat would do 35-45 mph, and those jetty rocks aren't moving. i womder if he had a life vest on and was found floating or if he knocked his head on something in the boat? Either way a sad deal. I love boating but you have to always be 100% aware or things like this happen. No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. Doubt a pfd would of helped in that crash, thinking massive blunt force trauma. PFD's are hot, I don't own or wear plates to the range either. I've thrown one on going in a gnarly inlet a few times. Each his own and commend your crew's wearing them. But really hope mandatory wearing never comes up. Wearing a PFD is not even close to wear plates to a range. Maybe close to soft armor, although if the soft armor was as cheap as a PFD it might be a close comparison. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:22:22 PM EDT
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Driving at night with your interior lights on is bad. http://i.imgur.com/ESTwG89.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vKMco4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/168r0cb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Pgy7eJb.jpg
What a damned shame RIP. That boat had to be hauling ass for the bottom to look like that and the boat end up on the rocks as it did. Who runs a boat that hard at night ?
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:22:22 PM EDT
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I'd say he found his strike zone. Bada Bing........
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:29:48 PM EDT
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That sucks
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:34:08 PM EDT
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Driving at night with your interior lights on is bad. http://i.imgur.com/ESTwG89.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vKMco4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/168r0cb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Pgy7eJb.jpg
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:35:45 PM EDT
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I've had some close calls in boats at night. And I simply won't fly VFR, especially at night.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:41:34 PM EDT
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RIP
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:43:27 PM EDT
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I liked Fernandez. He always had fun playing baseball
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:44:41 PM EDT
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jofez16I was both honored and humbled today when I was able to spend time with the true heroes of our time . These men and women risk their lives to protect our country and our freedom. As a Cuban who became an American I salute Ft. Bragg and all who made this day possible.#JDF16 Definitely lost a good one. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:47:33 PM EDT
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Boating at night is serious fucking business. Even in water you know well. Shit happens really, really fast even when you're not going fast because judging distances is extremely difficult. Yup, I've only done it a couple of times on lakes and marked my path into and out of the marina on my GPS and ended my night of fishing across from the marina and it was still a bitch to get in. I couldn't see the marker buoys until I was on top of them and I wasn't even on plane. I would have to know an area real well to even consider going fast at night. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:50:34 PM EDT
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Boating at night is serious fucking business. Even in water you know well. Shit happens really, really fast even when you're not going fast because judging distances is extremely difficult. I boat a lot and really don't like boating after dark , early morning is much better for me even if it's two hours until sunup . So many bad things can happen when the sun goes down and you and other boaters have been going hard for a lot of hours. I know Tampa bay really well but things are different in the dark. I have almost ran over many canoes and kayak at 10 pm running home from the river pubs...their eyes get huge when just miss them. I had a big dust up with my buddy once on where the mouth of the Alafia river that I live on was coming back from a July 4th fireworks party before we all got gps...we both were wrong. Stuff seems to change...always turn on the boat lights. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:50:48 PM EDT
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Wearing a PFD is not even close to wear plates to a range. Maybe close to soft armor, although if the soft armor was as cheap as a PFD it might be a close comparison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even with a smaller outboard that boat would do 35-45 mph, and those jetty rocks aren't moving. i womder if he had a life vest on and was found floating or if he knocked his head on something in the boat? Either way a sad deal. I love boating but you have to always be 100% aware or things like this happen. No one here wears pfd's just the nature of the beast and don't do myself. That's just dumb. Running at night, running in any seas, navigating inlets or running offshore at all - my entire crew wear inflatables. I actually just sat down to read this thread after repacking our emergency kits and PLBs in each of our vests. You may choose not to do it, but it's not anything I would condone or try to convince others that it's normal and okay. When venturing out on liquid that will kill you if you can't stay out of it to breathe, wearing something that keeps you on the surface just seems obvious. Doubt a pfd would of helped in that crash, thinking massive blunt force trauma. PFD's are hot, I don't own or wear plates to the range either. I've thrown one on going in a gnarly inlet a few times. Each his own and commend your crew's wearing them. But really hope mandatory wearing never comes up. Wearing a PFD is not even close to wear plates to a range. Maybe close to soft armor, although if the soft armor was as cheap as a PFD it might be a close comparison. My point is He died here and come Monday people will be calling for more "Safe" boating laws. We've done this dance before, last summer when two boys drowned in Jupiter. Now back to the story. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:52:33 PM EDT
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That sucks.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:56:43 PM EDT
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RIP Jose!! He was an amazing pitcher and he seemed like he was a great guy as well!
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:06:38 PM EDT
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I got a shiny penny to wager that they'll put lights or some other kind of visual aid to navigate them at night.
Nevermind everyone else that died there. Gotta do it now because someone celebrated/highly compensated for his ability to throw a ball died there.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:11:50 PM EDT
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That's tragic.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:15:20 PM EDT
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very happy i got to see him vs kershaw a couple weeks ago.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:15:53 PM EDT
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Certainly and unfortunate and tragic event.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:19:23 PM EDT
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Jose was born in Cuba in 1992 and attempted to defect to the United States three times between 2005 and 2007, all of which failed. Each time he was caught he was put in prison. Think about that for a second. Between the ages of 13 and 15 he tried to escape his communist oppressors three times, was caught and imprisoned. In 2007, on his 4th attempt, he, his mom and his sister succeeded. On that boat ride over, his mom was thrown out of the boat by rough seas. Jose saw someone get thrown out, not knowing it was his mother, and jumped out to go rescue them. The boat came back and picked him up, and he made it to the US. He finished high school in Florida.
Jose pitched his first game in the Major Leagues at the age of 20, getting the start against the Mets at Citi Field in New York. He had to have Tommy John surgery in 2014 and came back to the big leagues in 2015. His career record was 38-17 with a 2.58 ERA. This year he lead the National League with a strike out rate of 12.5 strike outs per nine innings pitched. He was the NL Rookie of the Year in 2013 and made the NL All Star team in 2013 and 2016. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:27:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:29:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:31:15 PM EDT
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He'll be missed. He was up for a big contract in two years and it would have been big, probably too big for the Marlins having come off of recent Tommy John surgery.
It was very tumultuous last night with plenty of lightning and rain, so not ideal for boating at 3:30am. God bless. Chris |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:32:20 PM EDT
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Jose was born in Cuba in 1992 and attempted to defect to the United States three times between 2005 and 2007, all of which failed. Each time he was caught he was put in prison. Think about that for a second. Between the ages of 13 and 15 he tried to escape his communist oppressors three times, was caught and imprisoned. In 2007, on his 4th attempt, he, his mom and his sister succeeded. On that boat ride over, his mom was thrown out of the boat by rough seas. Jose saw someone get thrown out, not knowing it was his mother, and jumped out to go rescue them. The boat came back and picked him up, and he made it to the US. He finished high school in Florida. Jose pitched his first game in the Major Leagues at the age of 20, getting the start against the Mets at Citi Field in New York. He had to have Tommy John surgery in 2014 and came back to the big leagues in 2015. His career record was 38-17 with a 2.58 ERA. This year he lead the National League with a strike out rate of 12.5 strike outs per nine innings pitched. He was the NL Rookie of the Year in 2013 and made the NL All Star team in 2013 and 2016. To put it in perspective for non-baseball fans. He had the highest WAR (win above replacement) among all pitchers this season, since Clayton Kershaw doesn't meet minimum innings required. Baseball values a win above replacement level at about $6+ million a year in salary, for contract purposes. He was really, really good. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:37:15 PM EDT
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I got a shiny penny to wager that they'll put lights or some other kind of visual aid to navigate them at night. Nevermind everyone else that died there. Gotta do it now because someone celebrated/highly compensated for his ability to throw a ball died there. In the daytime photos of the scene posted it looks like there were several light equipped buoys just past the end of the jetty. Makes the question of "Why?" even more problematic. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:37:55 PM EDT
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Now I will play devil's advocate here. When I go out on the boat I see some incredible crazy shit. Balls out bat shit speed of morans outside of the channel markers. I have seen dozens of accidents, most of them rocks and shoals. Now at night, all I can say is wow. The channel markers are there for a reason. You go slow, you are transitioning from shallow to deep. Now once you are past the channel markers you can accelerate. If you are outside the channel markers and you bottom out, well.....
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