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Posted: 9/24/2016 7:21:49 PM EDT
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never change arfcom! BFF foreva!
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Posted: 9/24/2016 7:26:10 PM EDT
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never change arfcom! BFF foreva! -trickypierre Hitlerverse High class of '05 Lol |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 7:36:41 PM EDT
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So what you're saying is you fudd the shit out of your ARs and conclude it's something to do with the gun.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 7:41:30 PM EDT
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Your not the only one....but my OP was kinda to that point. So many of us grew up with real experience shooting quick and moving critters, and a shotgun was the only possible choice. Hell, I shot a triple on woodcock one afternoon. Could I do that with an AR? Not likely. But the point of my post was that I (me, personally, don't care if someone disagrees) clung to that experience in debating AR vs shotgun. It's misapplied experience.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time I read these threads, I wonder how I was the only "kid that grew up in the country shooting shotguns all the time" that was able to learn how to be proficient with an AR15. Maybe it's my superpower. Your not the only one....but my OP was kinda to that point. So many of us grew up with real experience shooting quick and moving critters, and a shotgun was the only possible choice. Hell, I shot a triple on woodcock one afternoon. Could I do that with an AR? Not likely. But the point of my post was that I (me, personally, don't care if someone disagrees) clung to that experience in debating AR vs shotgun. It's misapplied experience.... I once hit a triple on Brant with a sxs. Try doing that with 2 rounds from an AR |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:43:42 PM EDT
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I once hit a triple on Brant with a sxs. Try doing that with 2 rounds from an AR therein lies the "cant miss" fallacy of shotgun bitterclingers. add in some "grandpaw" and "gunstore wiki" = portal open |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:55:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I read these threads, I wonder how I was the only "kid that grew up in the country shooting shotguns all the time" that was able to learn how to be proficient with an AR15. Maybe it's my superpower. 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:09:40 PM EDT
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No kidding. I've even shot matches with an AR that has a moving target. You have to put 5 rounds in it as it moves and before it disappears. Somehow everyone seemed to be able to do it. Guess we were a bunch of rifle gods! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time I read these threads, I wonder how I was the only "kid that grew up in the country shooting shotguns all the time" that was able to learn how to be proficient with an AR15. Maybe it's my superpower. Stage 2 of the SMMMG in 2013. Toughest rifle stage I've ever shot that didn't have a target outside of CQB distance. Airplane simulation stage, unbuckle and engage clays perched on "shoulders" of no-shoot (penalty) targets. Then 4 more on swingers with no-shoots everywhere. I was slow as balls, but I shot it clean. 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:15:52 PM EDT
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Every time I read these threads, I wonder how I was the only "kid that grew up in the country shooting shotguns all the time" that was able to learn how to be proficient with an AR15. Maybe it's my superpower. Shit, my Dad was a "Hi brass turkey load" for HD guy. I rose above it too. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:25:57 PM EDT
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OO buck and slugs is my home defense load of choice. Slugs will reach out to 100 yards and they make big holes. I personally see no need for a AR for home defense unless you are preparing for a mass mob attack. I think the over penetration and collateral damage possibilities with a center fire rifle are unacceptable unless your closest neighbor is a half a mile away. Lol prefers slugs but worried about over penetration |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:33:40 PM EDT
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Do they make these for the AR? If not, shotgun still rules.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKxmKFld5DAIt looks like the paper target was left pretty much unscathed by that gimmicky nonsense. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:59:01 AM EDT
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Shotguns work very well at short ranges; better than ARs. False. Properly selected shotgun shells perform better than 5.56 at close ranges. But the guns that shoot them just aren't as good for fighting as are quality autoloading rifles. Seriously? Don't be that guy. He doesn't have to, you already are. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:05:01 AM EDT
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When the Dems take over..... Your ARs will be.....gone. Your hi-cap magazines will be.....gone. Your semi-auto firearms will be......gone. Your sniper/bolt actions will be.....gone. Your SG will probably be way down on the list. Besides, Uncle Joe likes SGs. LOL. When you think about it...... Your freedoms will be.......GONE. So, vote correctly. Aloha, Mark It's rather odd that "Aloha, Mark" is the least silly part of that comment. My guns do not vanish in a cloud of steel, iron, and wood vapor just because Democrats get in (more) power.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:19:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:36:10 AM EDT
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I'm an AR fanatic. An AR will do the job in home defense, for sure. Personally, I use a pistol grip Mossy 500. Word |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:48:57 AM EDT
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Yup, a lifetime of "shotguns are better for shooting fast moving things, rifles are slow and steady not moving things" throws a LOT of people for a curve in the shotguns for HD threads. Some weird false equivalence is made, mixed with a lot of projection.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:54:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess all those police officers that carried them all those decades were defenseless. Every time I read these posts about the shotgun being good for nothing but birds I know I'm reading the opinion of someone who has never spent much time with one or has no real life experience with one and is just repeating what they have read on forums. I need to spend less time on the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A) shotguns are super lame I guess all those police officers that carried them all those decades were defenseless. Every time I read these posts about the shotgun being good for nothing but birds I know I'm reading the opinion of someone who has never spent much time with one or has no real life experience with one and is just repeating what they have read on forums. I need to spend less time on the internet. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 2:00:11 AM EDT
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Using the phrase "clicked in my head" may not be your best choice of phrase when talking about guns. Just sayin'. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 9:51:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess all those police officers that carried them all those decades were defenseless. Every time I read these posts about the shotgun being good for nothing but birds I know I'm reading the opinion of someone who has never spent much time with one or has no real life experience with one and is just repeating what they have read on forums. I need to spend less time on the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A) shotguns are super lame I guess all those police officers that carried them all those decades were defenseless. Every time I read these posts about the shotgun being good for nothing but birds I know I'm reading the opinion of someone who has never spent much time with one or has no real life experience with one and is just repeating what they have read on forums. I need to spend less time on the internet. When the choice.was a shotgun and a S&W or nothing else. I'd carry what they did. But times change and so does technology and tactics. Today a G17 and a AR is a much better choice. Surex the shotgun started life as a Fowl piece for wealthy Europeans. Yup, it went from that to the commoners' gun and was the common gun used to tame and settle America. But the AR is better for Seld Defense. I love shotguns, I have over 20 of the fuckers. Ranging from hunting, sport, to self defense. I carried one on duty as a cop. I can tell you that the agency I worked for didn't allow us to have ARs because it was "scary" in appearance. Is a.shotgun useless? No... it will kill as well as the day it was designed. Just like a 1860 Colt Cap 'N Ball Revolver or a 1911. Both are outdated and have better replacements but they will still kill a man. I even keep shotguns around. But my primary is an AR. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:10:42 AM EDT
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I've never shot a clay round that kicked like buckshot. Never saw anyone shoot at clays with buckshot and hit anything. So his argument is tarded... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say use whatever you want, but the idea that it's too hard to make fast follow up shots with a shotgun is silly. Go shoot double clays. You shoot clays with buckshot? You realize an ounce of shot is an ounce of shot right? If the velocity is equal shot size doesn't matter. I've never shot a clay round that kicked like buckshot. Never saw anyone shoot at clays with buckshot and hit anything. So his argument is tarded... An how many shooters have you seen shot a clean round of all 25 with an AR? The shotgun is a specialized weapon with some strength and trade off weakness (just like a pistol, AR, AK, "Battle Rifle" or a .50 BMG. For fast targets at close distances, it still beats an AR / AK The Terminal Energy of Proper Buckshot at close quarters is MOST likely to stop a fight fastest Right Then and There. I don't want to have to shoot Lootie twice or thrice, I'd just go with One & Done to allow me to get to next target. Don't get me wrong - the AR is the best General Purpose firearm out there, but each of the others has a specialty where it does "better" than the AR. Hunting & Energy, go to the "Battle Rifle". Extreme Range or hard target penetration, go .50 BMG. One hand use and concealed = a handgun. I have a lot of ARs, AKs, Battle Rifles, and handguns. But if I hear glass breaking at oh dark thirty, I'm picking up the Rem 870 Police Magnum with a surefire light on it next to my bed. BIGGER_HAMMER |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:25:56 AM EDT
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For fast targets at close distances, it still beats an AR / AK If those targets are clay pigeons, or squirrels, or little steel plates, sure. But if they're humans trying to hurt people the rifle is the better tool. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:42:18 AM EDT
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Are we already doing this again  Don't you hate when we talk about guns on this gun website? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who are these "experts"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Says you. Other experts disagree. Who are these "experts"? Same principles apply to the home. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:00:11 AM EDT
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Military units all over the world who use them for close-quarter defensive combat. Same principles apply to the home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Says you. Other experts disagree. Who are these "experts"? Military units all over the world who use them for close-quarter defensive combat. Same principles apply to the home. lol |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:02:25 AM EDT
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Military units all over the world who use them for close-quarter defensive combat. Same principles apply to the home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Says you. Other experts disagree. Who are these "experts"? Military units all over the world who use them for close-quarter defensive combat. Same principles apply to the home. OBL was really killed by #6 shot... that's why they never showed us the body.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:13:16 AM EDT
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Alright I'm sold on the shotgun concept.
I store it with the hammer down right? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:14:28 AM EDT
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Alright I'm sold on the shotgun concept. I store it with the hammer down right? And safety off. Cruiser Ready, bro. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your not the only one....but my OP was kinda to that point. So many of us grew up with real experience shooting quick and moving critters, and a shotgun was the only possible choice. Hell, I shot a triple on woodcock one afternoon. Could I do that with an AR? Not likely. But the point of my post was that I (me, personally, don't care if someone disagrees) clung to that experience in debating AR vs shotgun. It's misapplied experience.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every time I read these threads, I wonder how I was the only "kid that grew up in the country shooting shotguns all the time" that was able to learn how to be proficient with an AR15. Maybe it's my superpower. Your not the only one....but my OP was kinda to that point. So many of us grew up with real experience shooting quick and moving critters, and a shotgun was the only possible choice. Hell, I shot a triple on woodcock one afternoon. Could I do that with an AR? Not likely. But the point of my post was that I (me, personally, don't care if someone disagrees) clung to that experience in debating AR vs shotgun. It's misapplied experience.... But for men coming down your hallway, moving around, I want the AR with a red dot. They are bigger than birds and I want 30 rounds with fast follow up shots. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:29:35 AM EDT
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Get both.
I travel with a SG in my truck because Slugs on car parts penetrate better, large riot crowds 00B (violently attacking me ) and wild life problems all fall to the 12ga. Is it Ideal? absolutely not. there are trade offs in everything. But a LEO on a traffic stop seeing my legally stored and carried SG will go a lot smoother than my legally carried and stored AR. (Knowing how police are grossly ignorant to gun laws and styles vs rights.) |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:49:12 AM EDT
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Military units all over the world who use them for close-quarter defensive combat. Same principles apply to the home. lol + more lol |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:54:47 AM EDT
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So what you're saying is you fudd the shit out of your ARs and conclude it's something to do with the gun. That's not even close to what I said. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:55:34 AM EDT
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In highschool, my girlfriend''s dad told me about his exploits in Vietnam as a marine infantry captain. He said he carried a shotgun with flachette rounds.
What do you guys have to say about that? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:58:54 AM EDT
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In highschool, my girlfriend''s dad told me about his exploits in Vietnam as a marine infantry captain. He said he carried a shotgun with flachette rounds. What do you guys have to say about that? Uh... CSB? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:02:19 PM EDT
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OP likes squirrel.....
Yeah, not fond of 12 ga. Recoil. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:03:09 PM EDT
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In highschool, my girlfriend''s dad told me about his exploits in Vietnam as a marine infantry captain. He said he carried a shotgun with flachette rounds. What do you guys have to say about that? 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:08:34 PM EDT
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i believe the US military has a higher success rate at clearing buildings w/ ARs than changing the hearts and minds of the arfcong shotgun villagers.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:26:36 PM EDT
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Well, we did have squirrels in our attic earlier this year. I still don't believe shotguns offer enough precision it tight quarters. An 30 rd. AR with a red dot, stoked with varmint loads would still be better than shooting 24 squirrels with 8 shots. I just hope I don't hit one of my squirrel kids, or another member of my squirrel family by mistake with stray squirrel shot.
And then there's the slower reloads and limited magazine capacity if we get more than 24 perfectly positioned squirrels. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:37:17 PM EDT
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In highschool, my girlfriend''s dad told me about his exploits in Vietnam as a marine infantry captain. He said he carried a shotgun with flachette rounds. What do you guys have to say about that? There were a LOT of drugs in Vietnam. Did he have backup guys that carried shotguns with fletchette rounds or was it M16s. Or was he Vietnaman? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:39:54 PM EDT
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Did he have backup guys that carried shotguns with fletchette rounds or was it M16s. Or was he Vietnaman? At lest i shot wit irunsites fgt. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:41:15 PM EDT
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Did he have backup guys that carried shotguns with fletchette rounds or was it M16s. Or was he Vietnaman? At lest i shot wit irunsites fgt. Peris eyeland 1982. Me tu fgt. Wii shot fibe hunnert yars wif irunsites n em sisteens Aye wuns. Neber wuz ishued a shitgun. Simple fry. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:47:05 PM EDT
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Peris eyeland 1982. Me tu fgt. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:48:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistorySimpul fry grinpaw. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:50:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:59:11 PM EDT
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I like shotguns way more than ar's What the problem is? Some people on here apparently have houses longer than 30 yards. Every bird, clay pigeon, rabbit, etc I ever shot was further than 30 yards. Also, I want to see pictures of these hallways in peoples' houses that are over 90 feet long. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 4:58:33 PM EDT
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In highschool, my girlfriend''s dad told me about his exploits in Vietnam as a marine infantry captain. He said he carried a shotgun with flachette rounds. What do you guys have to say about that? 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 5:07:40 PM EDT
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Last night I was squirrel hunting. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 11:28:39 PM EDT
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Wait, you talking survival situation? I'm talking about someone shooting squirrels and eating the things. Not for me personally, but people DO eat them and use birdshot to take them. Tried it once, it was okay. If it's going to be a survival situation I have a suppressed 22lr for that. Then again, I have a suppressor for a shotgun that is stupid quiet too... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People eat squirrel and birdshot works wonderfully for killing them without detonating them. Ain't gonna be much of that squirrel left if you bean him with a 223... Even the bigger grays look like they were eating dynamite even with slower m855. Fishing and trapping is way more efficient for gathering food than hunting small game. And won't deplete your ammo supply or let everyone with a few thousand yards know where you are. Wait, you talking survival situation? I'm talking about someone shooting squirrels and eating the things. Not for me personally, but people DO eat them and use birdshot to take them. Tried it once, it was okay. If it's going to be a survival situation I have a suppressed 22lr for that. Then again, I have a suppressor for a shotgun that is stupid quiet too... Deets? I was super unimpressed with the suppressed shotgun I played with. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 6:58:51 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s219.photobucket.com/user/omega62/media/Fudds_zps78c770ea.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/omega62/Fudds_zps78c770ea.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last night I was squirrel hunting. <a href="http://s219.photobucket.com/user/omega62/media/Fudds_zps78c770ea.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/omega62/Fudds_zps78c770ea.jpg</a> I take it you don't hunt then? |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 7:37:00 AM EDT
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Either will work for HD, but the scattergun is a shit ton better if you got thugs trying to kill you in your own house, i don't give a dam what any of you think, my house my gun of choice.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 8:37:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Says you. Other experts disagree. Who are these "experts"? Military units all over the world who use them for close-quarter defensive combat. Same principles apply to the home. lol That's a well-reasoned, articulate argument. But not enough so for me not to dismiss it as a nothing more than a childish grunt. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 8:38:47 AM EDT
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