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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:29:02 AM EDT
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Throwing knifes in the nightstand...
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:32:48 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night.....  Good on ya. 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:51:47 AM EDT
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A coyote in a barn or a mink in the rabbit coup where Im running out the back door is hunting? 
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So, we can add squirrels to Geesemen, bears, and birds as acceptable to a shottie against in an HD situation. Considering Ive lost thousands of dollars of livestock to yotes, minks, and foxes and used shotguns to good effect I think you could add to the list. Ive had to run out the door grabbing a gun hundreds of times to defend my food and property. Ok. But it only counts if they're invading your home. Otherwise it's just "hunting." A coyote in a barn or a mink in the rabbit coup where Im running out the back door is hunting?
If someone was breaking into your shed or car is that hunting or hd? How about someone trying to steal your dig or kidnap you kid playing in the front yard? God damn Partisan Hares 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:59:56 AM EDT
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I say use whatever you want, but the idea that it's too hard to make fast follow up shots with a shotgun is silly. Go shoot double clays. You shoot clays with buckshot? |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:03:14 AM EDT
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Whatever you are most proficient with is the best choice. Duhhhhh OP http://i.imgur.com/lIuslzy.jpg Maybe all she can afford is a trs-80 |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:05:32 AM EDT
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I say use whatever you want, but the idea that it's too hard to make fast follow up shots with a shotgun is silly. Go shoot double clays. You shoot clays with buckshot? You realize an ounce of shot is an ounce of shot right? If the velocity is equal shot size doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:05:36 AM EDT
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I say use whatever you want, but the idea that it's too hard to make fast follow up shots with a shotgun is silly. Go shoot double clays. You shoot clays with buckshot? I have. Makes for a long and unsuccessful round. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:09:45 AM EDT
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You realize an ounce of shot is an ounce of shot right? If the velocity is equal shot size doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say use whatever you want, but the idea that it's too hard to make fast follow up shots with a shotgun is silly. Go shoot double clays. You shoot clays with buckshot? You realize an ounce of shot is an ounce of shot right? If the velocity is equal shot size doesn't matter. I've never shot a clay round that kicked like buckshot. Never saw anyone shoot at clays with buckshot and hit anything. So his argument is tarded... |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:10:04 AM EDT
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses.
Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:12:57 AM EDT
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I think the over penetration and collateral damage possibilities with a center fire rifle are unacceptable unless your closest neighbor is a half a mile away. This deserves the full animation. http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238408638_superman_drinking_.gif There is so much ignorance on this board. I truly believe most of these half-wits work the gun counter at Cabela's. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:13:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:13:16 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... The part in red has no place in a shotgun vs. AR discussion. If you're trying to defend yourself in close quarters (e.g. the only possible use for a shotgun in self defense) then you need to be discussing unmagnified sights, preferably a red dot or holographic. Of course magnified optics are slower. Duh. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:14:15 AM EDT
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Whatever you are most proficient with is the best choice. Duhhhhh OP Then why not train to become proficient with the most effective weapon available to you? |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:17:26 AM EDT
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You realize an ounce of shot is an ounce of shot right? If the velocity is equal shot size doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say use whatever you want, but the idea that it's too hard to make fast follow up shots with a shotgun is silly. Go shoot double clays. You shoot clays with buckshot? You realize an ounce of shot is an ounce of shot right? If the velocity is equal shot size doesn't matter. Velocities generally aren't equal though. Most buckshot loads have a larger velocity (and thus use a significantly heavier charge) than most loads used for shooting clays. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:22:50 AM EDT
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I think it finally just clicked for me!
Using a far more precise weapon, the shotgunner missed. Which, no harm no foul, I'm not going to say I've never missed a shot before. But I've never wished for less precision. In fact, a lack of precision is far more often the problem. Trying to take squirrels with a BB gun, for example. I've done it, but it sure isn't easy like it is with a rifle. And that's it exactly. The shotgunners truly believe that a lack of precision is a feature, not a flaw. LIGHTBULB! Thanks for explaining it, OP. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:23:16 AM EDT
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But in this thread I thought we are ACTUALLY talking about hunting small animals Just read the posts above you. The portal is WIDE open. I'm worried, Ray. It's getting crowded in there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:24:17 AM EDT
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I'm worried, Ray. It's getting crowded in there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. Tell him about the Twinkie.... |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:24:37 AM EDT
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I think it finally just clicked for me! Using a far more precise weapon, the shotgunner missed. Which, no harm no foul, I'm not going to say I've never missed a shot before. But I've never wished for less precision. In fact, a lack of precision is far more often the problem. Trying to take squirrels with a BB gun, for example. I've done it, but it sure isn't easy like it is with a rifle. And that's it exactly. The shotgunners truly believe that a lack of precision is a feature, not a flaw. LIGHTBULB! Thanks for explaining it, OP. Do you want Super Precision? |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:25:50 AM EDT
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Training or no, a shotgun is better for squirrel hunting than a ar15 |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:27:17 AM EDT
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Training or no, a shotgun is better for squirrel hunting than a ar15 What's squirrel a euphemism for? 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:27:58 AM EDT
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So, we can add squirrels to Geesemen, bears, and birds as acceptable to a shottie against in an HD situation. WTF is a Geesemen? 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:28:05 AM EDT
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Training or no, a shotgun is better for squirrel hunting than a ar15 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Training or no, a shotgun is better for squirrel hunting than a ar15 If things are around that are as small and fast as squirrels and can still kill you... you're fucked anyway.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:36:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:37:16 AM EDT
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If things are around that are as small and fast as squirrels and can still kill you... you're fucked anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that all the shotgun tards are the same tards that poo poo all over attending training courses. Training will help you overcome your deficiencies with your weapon. The fact that many here would choose an inferior weapon over training with a superior weapon speaks of their arrogance. The AR-15 is superior in nearly every way to a shotgun for home defense purposes. Training or no, a shotgun is better for squirrel hunting than a ar15 If things are around that are as small and fast as squirrels and can still kill you... you're fucked anyway. lol, fucking fisher cats |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:38:48 AM EDT
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So, we can add squirrels to Geesemen, bears, and birds as acceptable to a shottie against in an HD situation. Considering Ive lost thousands of dollars of livestock to yotes, minks, and foxes and used shotguns to good effect I think you could add to the list. Ive had to run out the door grabbing a gun hundreds of times to defend my food and property. Ok. But it only counts if they're invading your home. Otherwise it's just "hunting." A coyote in a barn or a mink in the rabbit coup where Im running out the back door is hunting?
If someone was breaking into your shed or car is that hunting or hd? How about someone trying to steal your dig or kidnap you kid playing in the front yard? God damn Partisan Hares https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1zMniBaRP-s/VYSY5yTxOjI/AAAAAAAAEDY/ccBJUH0IOmk/s1600/rabbit-hunting.jpg I had some flemish giants that were big enough to shoot AKs coup... i get it
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:40:37 AM EDT
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I'm worried, Ray. It's getting crowded in there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. Tell him about the Twinkie.... 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:47:48 AM EDT
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Preslicely.  This is what I've been trying to get thru to the "hurr durr AR be bestest fur evurthin!!11!! " crowd. For fast-moving targets (like ghetto rats invading your house), the shotgun reigns supreme. Yes, it tops out @ ~30-odd yards; is this a major problem? Were you planning on shooting perps beyond that? Remember, the longer the range, the harder the "I felt in danger of my life" argument is in front of a jury.
Yes, rifles can be better... FOR SOME SITUATIONS. That's why I keep a loaded AK handy. My go-to heavy, tho, is a plain-Jane, bone-stock Mossy 500 w/ pistol grip. Frankly, I think the myopic obsession some have with ARs comes more from "This is what all the kool kids roll with!!!11!!  " syndrome, rather than an objective, grown-up assessment of the realities of the situation.
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It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. Preslicely. This is what I've been trying to get thru to the "hurr durr AR be bestest fur evurthin!!11!! " crowd. For fast-moving targets (like ghetto rats invading your house), the shotgun reigns supreme. Yes, it tops out @ ~30-odd yards; is this a major problem? Were you planning on shooting perps beyond that? Remember, the longer the range, the harder the "I felt in danger of my life" argument is in front of a jury.
Yes, rifles can be better... FOR SOME SITUATIONS. That's why I keep a loaded AK handy. My go-to heavy, tho, is a plain-Jane, bone-stock Mossy 500 w/ pistol grip. Frankly, I think the myopic obsession some have with ARs comes more from "This is what all the kool kids roll with!!!11!! " syndrome, rather than an objective, grown-up assessment of the realities of the situation.
Of course, YMMV, if you live in the country vs. city, etc. Did you even read the OP? Shotguns are great on small fast moving targets like squirrels and bunnies. Thugs are much larger and slower. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:49:09 AM EDT
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I'm worried, Ray. It's getting crowded in there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. Tell him about the Twinkie.... http://i.imgur.com/EpdVk6Q.jpg Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psycho kinetic energy shotguns posts in the General Discussion area... Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:54:51 AM EDT
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Did you even read the OP? Shotguns are great on small fast moving targets like squirrels and bunnies. Thugs are much larger and slower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. Preslicely. This is what I've been trying to get thru to the "hurr durr AR be bestest fur evurthin!!11!! " crowd. For fast-moving targets (like ghetto rats invading your house), the shotgun reigns supreme. Yes, it tops out @ ~30-odd yards; is this a major problem? Were you planning on shooting perps beyond that? Remember, the longer the range, the harder the "I felt in danger of my life" argument is in front of a jury.
Yes, rifles can be better... FOR SOME SITUATIONS. That's why I keep a loaded AK handy. My go-to heavy, tho, is a plain-Jane, bone-stock Mossy 500 w/ pistol grip. Frankly, I think the myopic obsession some have with ARs comes more from "This is what all the kool kids roll with!!!11!! " syndrome, rather than an objective, grown-up assessment of the realities of the situation.
Of course, YMMV, if you live in the country vs. city, etc. Did you even read the OP? Shotguns are great on small fast moving targets like squirrels and bunnies. Thugs are much larger and slower. No no no. He said ghetto rats. Rats. Which hail from the ghetto. 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:59:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:07:23 AM EDT
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Do they make these for the AR?
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:11:50 AM EDT
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OO buck and slugs is my home defense load of choice. Slugs will reach out to 100 yards and they make big holes. I personally see no need for a AR for home defense unless you are preparing for a mass mob attack. I think the over penetration and collateral damage possibilities with a center fire rifle are unacceptable unless your closest neighbor is a half a mile away. 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:13:35 AM EDT
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OO buck and slugs is my home defense load of choice. Slugs will reach out to 100 yards and they make big holes. I personally see no need for a AR for home defense unless you are preparing for a mass mob attack. I think the over penetration and collateral damage possibilities with a center fire rifle are unacceptable unless your closest neighbor is a half a mile away. https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData/WoundProfilesAfterWallBarrier.jpg Get your facts out of this thread. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:16:17 AM EDT
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practice, practice, practice...........whatever it is, experience will make the weapon you use the best weapon to use. Whatever you use will be better than no firearm at all.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:18:05 AM EDT
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I like shotguns way more than ar's What the problem is? Some people on here apparently have houses longer than 30 yards. most likely the ones with super model wives, 14" dicks, a Bentley in the drive, and 5m in ready cash. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:20:47 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... Squirrel dog and a bolt action Ruger M77 Mach2 |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:22:51 AM EDT
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The shotgun is so deadly, they have to give them names like Wingmaster and Clay Pigeon. Because when they have the name STREETSWEEPER they are basically megadeth devices.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:25:59 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... Squirrel dog and a bolt action Ruger M77 Mach2 Whenever I bring a .22 squirrel hunting we flush a ton of birds 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:27:48 AM EDT
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OO buck and slugs is my home defense load of choice. Slugs will reach out to 100 yards and they make big holes. I personally see no need for a AR for home defense unless you are preparing for a mass mob attack. I think the over penetration and collateral damage possibilities with a center fire rifle are unacceptable unless your closest neighbor is a half a mile away. https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData/WoundProfilesAfterWallBarrier.jpg I consider that a feature
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:28:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:30:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:31:33 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... If three men break into your house, you are absolutely nuts if you choose a shotgun over an AR with a 30 round mag. I would take an AR over my Benelli that will hold 12 +1 rounds of 00 buckshot. Men aren't squirrels. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:32:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:34:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:35:05 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... One of the earliest uses of the scatter gun was for bird hunting.
But I totally agree on home defense. Theres nothing better than a carbine. Shotguns are fun as hell to shoot, but not great fighting tools. As a general purpose survival tool they are very useful. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:36:06 AM EDT
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If three men break into your house, you are absolutely nuts if you choose a shotgun over an AR with a 30 round mag. I would take an AR over my Benelli that will hold 12 +1 rounds of 00 buckshot. Men aren't squirrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... If three men break into your house, you are absolutely nuts if you choose a shotgun over an AR with a 30 round mag. I would take an AR over my Benelli that will hold 12 +1 rounds of 00 buckshot. Men aren't squirrels.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:36:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryWhy do you guys hate happy hunting dog threads? 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:38:30 AM EDT
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Get Both: <a href="http://s657.photobucket.com/user/tankdawg0057/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2878981E-48AA-4983-83FD-85339A75D180_zps8dbdv5kl.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu300/tankdawg0057/Mobile%20Uploads/2878981E-48AA-4983-83FD-85339A75D180_zps8dbdv5kl.jpg</a> I want one !! |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:40:37 AM EDT
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6 years ago I would have debated to the death that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. After messing around with AR's for some time, I do recognize that they are easier to shoot, less recoil, easier to reload.....so now an AR is my go to. But I have still had this nagging loyalty to the shotgun. I have a couple stashed around the house, camp, and farm, and wouldn't feel unarmed should I have to use them. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to shoot a shotgun. Last night I was squirrel hunting. I was using a super accurate 10/22 International, with a 2-7x Leupold. It is my favorite squirrel set up. 3 grays came scampering down this huge oak, all at once. I didn't kill any of them. I choked on the first one, and then could not get a shot on the other 3. My first thought was had I been shooting a shotgun, I very well may have killed all 3. LIGHTBULB. It was then I realized where my loyalty to the shotgun comes from. Over 40 years of quick shooting at multiple targets, successfully. Whereas rifle shooting has been "crosshairs, shoulder, squeeze".....much more accurate, slow, and precise. So it is natural to at first think that should I need to quickly fight off one or more, the shotgun is best....thats my lifelong "training", right? Except that it doesn't apply to gun fighting, at least it is not a perfect overlay. Recoil, ease of reloading, ability to reach out beyond 30 yards precisely....AR wins. I know this is nothing earth shattering to many (most) of you. But it was to me. I actually said "oh shit" in my head. Off to shoot those 3 squirrels I missed out on last night..... Keep in mind a small game animal is the size of a larger something far away. The shotgun works at hitting small stuff close because you have a foot or more spread. being precise with a rifle on small game in some ways translates to being able to hit bigger targets further away. Squirrel hunting with a rifle is about the best way ther is to get good at hitting stuff up close or further away IMO. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:40:56 AM EDT
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