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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:25:56 PM EDT
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P320, although the price of mags pisses me off.
G19 would be a great SHTF gun. Semi-auto rifle trumps all handguns and some rifles or shotguns for SHTF, just for the record. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:27:50 PM EDT
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Stop. Have you fondled a Gen 2 Glock yet without the finger grooves?
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:33:07 PM EDT
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Fixed it for you. You need a metal DA/SA like a beretta 92, sig 226 or a cz75 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will add this though... Polymer + Striker + SHTF = dead In fact it screams Glock...YMMV. Fixed it for you. You need a metal DA/SA like a beretta 92, sig 226 or a cz75 Yeah, too bad none of our Special Forces or MARSOC guys made it home from the wars in the ME. 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:34:40 PM EDT
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Get a shotty.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:35:58 PM EDT
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For the readers who are actually earnest about shooting and not on here to dogmatically pimp their brand loyalty, any modern full-size/full capacity pistol from one of the major manufacturers will run. The gun is the absolute least important part of the equation. This... My gen 3 g19 runs awesome, my Fnx runs awesome, My brothers mk25 runs awesome and so does my wife's m9. Bunch of whiners lol. Just pick something you shoot good with and has a reliable track record. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a shotty. Two blasts. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:40:47 PM EDT
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Why are you running +p+ through it? What do you hope to gain?
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:41:34 PM EDT
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This... My gen 3 g19 runs awesome, my Fnx runs awesome, My brothers mk25 runs awesome and so does my wife's m9. Bunch of whiners lol. Just pick something you shoot good with and has a reliable track record. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the readers who are actually earnest about shooting and not on here to dogmatically pimp their brand loyalty, any modern full-size/full capacity pistol from one of the major manufacturers will run. The gun is the absolute least important part of the equation. This... My gen 3 g19 runs awesome, my Fnx runs awesome, My brothers mk25 runs awesome and so does my wife's m9. Bunch of whiners lol. Just pick something you shoot good with and has a reliable track record. Not a whole lotta difference, even though Im disengaging the safety and shooting a DA first shot 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:42:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:45:46 PM EDT
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PPQ M1 > VP9. I have them both and the PPQ is the better gun.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:46:41 PM EDT
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Not a whole lotta difference, even though Im disengaging the safety and shooting a DA first shot  https://youtu.be/94ECiAVfB44
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For the readers who are actually earnest about shooting and not on here to dogmatically pimp their brand loyalty, any modern full-size/full capacity pistol from one of the major manufacturers will run. The gun is the absolute least important part of the equation. This... My gen 3 g19 runs awesome, my Fnx runs awesome, My brothers mk25 runs awesome and so does my wife's m9. Bunch of whiners lol. Just pick something you shoot good with and has a reliable track record. Not a whole lotta difference, even though Im disengaging the safety and shooting a DA first shot https://youtu.be/94ECiAVfB44
https://youtu.be/oDqdlixNqwEAs long as it goes pew. 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:49:47 PM EDT
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I don't like polymer framed handguns, but if I had to get stuck with one, an HK USP9 Compact, or an HK USP45 would be my option right at this point in time.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:50:51 PM EDT
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The answer is very obvious, first a VP9 and then a P320 if not the VP9. Wish I could answer about the Walther but I don't have any experience with it but I do with Glock and it's not the answer at all so I agree with you there. I've put 14,000+ through my VP9 so I shoot as much or more than you would plan on doing. Good luck. lol |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:51:13 PM EDT
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Jeez, the glock fag fan boys got in a tizzy fast...
Look closer at the PPQ M2 Navy model. It's made for adverse conditions, and has several interesting features such as drain ports and coatings. The ergos are awesome and the trigger is better than a VP9. I was looking in a similar manner to your search and I'm glad I bought the PPQ. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:52:08 PM EDT
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You boys will spend hours online debating the merits of X gun vs. Y and striker vs. DA/SA but won't dry fire for ten minutes a night. But that's none of my business... http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/1079ishot.com/files/2014/06/Lipton_Kermit-630x422.png For the readers who are actually earnest about shooting and not on here to dogmatically pimp their brand loyalty, any modern full-size/full capacity pistol from one of the major manufacturers will run. The gun is the absolute least important part of the equation. What's your dry fire routine? |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat's your dry fire routine? Ensure firearm is safe, pull trigger... Sorry I couldn't help it. 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 5:00:26 PM EDT
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Stop. Have you fondled a Gen 2 Glock yet without the finger grooves? I just picked up a gen 2 G17 and I fucking love it. I've been a staunch 1911 guy for years but I honestly want to get rid of all my pistols and replace them with G17s now. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 5:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's your dry fire routine? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You boys will spend hours online debating the merits of X gun vs. Y and striker vs. DA/SA but won't dry fire for ten minutes a night. But that's none of my business... http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/1079ishot.com/files/2014/06/Lipton_Kermit-630x422.png For the readers who are actually earnest about shooting and not on here to dogmatically pimp their brand loyalty, any modern full-size/full capacity pistol from one of the major manufacturers will run. The gun is the absolute least important part of the equation. What's your dry fire routine? |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 5:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 5:12:56 PM EDT
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They don't have a manual safety. That's it. That is the only reason you don't see more military use of them. A military sources weapons for the lowest common denominator. SHTF conditions would equate to irregular warfare and the groups that do that best often choose Glocks. The regular military uses the M9. You really think that it is the best? It has been fraught with problems throughout it's service life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them I'm talking so stupid that for some of them when they clear their M9's at the chow halls, they rack a round, then drop the mag, and give that surprise face when it goes off 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 5:33:18 PM EDT
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EDIT: For those commenting, yes I realize a rifle is primary, this is just about sidearms. Also forgot to mention 9mm only. Hello, After years of only using all-metal DA/SAs, I'm looking for a new full size poly/striker pistol. Glock is still an option, but the ergos make my hands angry, so it's off to the side for now. At this point it between the main German-made strikers: P320, VP9, AND PPQ M2. This is a gun for "that time": expected to be very reliable, stand up to adverse outdoor conditions where good cleaning/maintenance might not be possible, and be accurate. - I've shot them once each, and the feel was pretty good on all, though I dont have enough trigger time to know if I significantly prefer the ergos of one over the others. - Plan on running it with a can frequently. - Running a good amount of +P/+P+ through it. - Eventually putting on a red dot. So, can anyone can anyone comment on comparative... - Mechanical reliability - Accuracy (assuming best barrels for both/possibly custom match) - Resistance to elements or rough handling/drop - Internal safeties - Trigger: do any get significantly better or worse over time? - Any mag/feed issues. Also, since I doubt the zombies are coming any time soon, its mainly for practice, and I want it to be something I can't shoot for a number of years without have to toss or constantly refurbish (I usually go 150-250 rounds a week) Thanks. an XD would make a great option for you. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:00:24 PM EDT
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They don't have a manual safety. That's it. That is the only reason you don't see more military use of them. A military sources weapons for the lowest common denominator. SHTF conditions would equate to irregular warfare and the groups that do that best often choose Glocks. The regular military uses the M9. You really think that it is the best? It has been fraught with problems throughout it's service life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them I feel very comfortable with an m9. All guns have problems, especially when subjected to the .mils track record if changing springs like never. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:13:51 PM EDT
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Fixed it for you. You need a metal DA/SA like a beretta 92, sig 226 or a cz75 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will add this though... Polymer + Striker + SHTF = dead In fact it screams Glock...YMMV. Fixed it for you. You need a metal DA/SA like a beretta 92, sig 226 or a cz75 Says the guy with XDM in his profile name. 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:19:52 PM EDT
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an XD would make a great option for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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EDIT: For those commenting, yes I realize a rifle is primary, this is just about sidearms. Also forgot to mention 9mm only. Hello, After years of only using all-metal DA/SAs, I'm looking for a new full size poly/striker pistol. Glock is still an option, but the ergos make my hands angry, so it's off to the side for now. At this point it between the main German-made strikers: P320, VP9, AND PPQ M2. This is a gun for "that time": expected to be very reliable, stand up to adverse outdoor conditions where good cleaning/maintenance might not be possible, and be accurate. - I've shot them once each, and the feel was pretty good on all, though I dont have enough trigger time to know if I significantly prefer the ergos of one over the others. - Plan on running it with a can frequently. - Running a good amount of +P/+P+ through it. - Eventually putting on a red dot. So, can anyone can anyone comment on comparative... - Mechanical reliability - Accuracy (assuming best barrels for both/possibly custom match) - Resistance to elements or rough handling/drop - Internal safeties - Trigger: do any get significantly better or worse over time? - Any mag/feed issues. Also, since I doubt the zombies are coming any time soon, its mainly for practice, and I want it to be something I can't shoot for a number of years without have to toss or constantly refurbish (I usually go 150-250 rounds a week) Thanks. an XD would make a great option for you. So you hate Glocks and would never recommend them, but then you go and recommend an XD? 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:21:43 PM EDT
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I have G17 and P320. Both are excellent. P320 is far more accurate though.
I have fired the PPQ and VP9 and like them. Just don't have the need to buy them so I don't own them. Truth be told, ALL of these guns are good enough to meet your requirements. It all comes down to how they fit your hands, your NPOA with them, and access availability - does anyone make a holster that meets your carrying requirements. In SHTF, you have to think of parts and ammo availability. GLOCK parts will be everywhere compared to the others. Everywhere. 9mm will be everywhere. From all my in depth study on zombie terminal ballistics (watching Walking Dead), 9mm will work just fine. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:22:25 PM EDT
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Well, I mainly wanted to go striker-fired, and poly frames seem part and parcel. But, I'm also trying to a feel for the whole lighter gun/simpler parts paradigm that in now, and see how it compares to what I'm used too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you wanting to get away from metal frames, da/sa or both? Well, I mainly wanted to go striker-fired, and poly frames seem part and parcel. But, I'm also trying to a feel for the whole lighter gun/simpler parts paradigm that in now, and see how it compares to what I'm used too. If you really want a striker get a VP9 or an M&P. The Sig 320 is dumb with its high bore axis and the trigger is not is good as people say in my experience. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:24:20 PM EDT
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Without having read a single word in the OP or any responses:
Glock 19 with a Streamlight TLR-1 HL, Trijicon Night Sights, a Glock 17 mag and 2x33 round mags loaded with 124 grain Gold Dot +P's. It's what plants crave.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:28:37 PM EDT
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an XD would make a great option for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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EDIT: For those commenting, yes I realize a rifle is primary, this is just about sidearms. Also forgot to mention 9mm only. Hello, After years of only using all-metal DA/SAs, I'm looking for a new full size poly/striker pistol. Glock is still an option, but the ergos make my hands angry, so it's off to the side for now. At this point it between the main German-made strikers: P320, VP9, AND PPQ M2. This is a gun for "that time": expected to be very reliable, stand up to adverse outdoor conditions where good cleaning/maintenance might not be possible, and be accurate. - I've shot them once each, and the feel was pretty good on all, though I dont have enough trigger time to know if I significantly prefer the ergos of one over the others. - Plan on running it with a can frequently. - Running a good amount of +P/+P+ through it. - Eventually putting on a red dot. So, can anyone can anyone comment on comparative... - Mechanical reliability - Accuracy (assuming best barrels for both/possibly custom match) - Resistance to elements or rough handling/drop - Internal safeties - Trigger: do any get significantly better or worse over time? - Any mag/feed issues. Also, since I doubt the zombies are coming any time soon, its mainly for practice, and I want it to be something I can't shoot for a number of years without have to toss or constantly refurbish (I usually go 150-250 rounds a week) Thanks. an XD would make a great option for you. Never that piece of Croatian shit. Shit bore axis, shit egos, looks like shit and is as expensive as shit that doesn't stink. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:35:07 PM EDT
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Honestly, with your Criteria, get a Glock. They are the simplest of the four listed and will easily last the longest.
From the other three though, I can say that I hate the VP9, am convinced that the PPQ has one of the greatest triggers ever put on a non-1911 pistol, and have yet to shoot a P320. FWIW, my PPQ is my most shot 9mm pistol in the house, My wife and 3 kids love it because it's so easy that it makes you look good. I don't know jack about the durability, but mine has over 20K rounds on it now, and hasn't had a single issue. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:36:57 PM EDT
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G17/19
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:40:14 PM EDT
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Stop. Have you fondled a Gen 2 Glock yet without the finger grooves? You want a WML on a fighting pistol. Gen2 = no rail |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 7:03:37 PM EDT
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GLOVK 19 BRO
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Posted: 8/29/2016 7:19:54 PM EDT
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I will add this though... Polymer + Striker + SHTF = Glock In fact it screams Glock...YMMV. Try a gen4 G17...it seems to have ergos that work much better than the gen3 or 19/26 Converted me from Sigs. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 7:21:12 PM EDT
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They don't have a manual safety. That's it. That is the only reason you don't see more military use of them. A military sources weapons for the lowest common denominator. SHTF conditions would equate to irregular warfare and the groups that do that best often choose Glocks. The regular military uses the M9. You really think that it is the best? It has been fraught with problems throughout it's service life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them Your logic is flawed. Glocks are much cheaper to produce then a beretta. Name problems the beretta has that normal maintenance would not fix? |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 7:52:17 PM EDT
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Your logic is flawed. Glocks are much cheaper to produce then a beretta. Name problems the beretta has that normal maintenance would not fix? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them Your logic is flawed. Glocks are much cheaper to produce then a beretta. Name problems the beretta has that normal maintenance would not fix?  Magazines that would not feed, slides that cracked, slides that broke in half, and the ability to strip the slide from the frame in hand to hand.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:12:34 PM EDT
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Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them Your logic is flawed. Glocks are much cheaper to produce then a beretta. Name problems the beretta has that normal maintenance would not fix? Magazines that would not feed, slides that cracked, slides that broke in half, and the ability to strip the slide from the frame in hand to hand.Original factory mags and slides were crap yes. But newer generations are perfect. Original glocks blew up. And the slide removal thing has never happened in real combat. A lot of herp derp on the Internet and stories but not real credible proof. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:12:56 PM EDT
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Glock duh. Best track record, mag availability, parts availability, many people could probably fashion spare parts with paper clips and chewing gum if necessary Best track record?? L-O-L. There is a reason no major military uses them Your logic is flawed. Glocks are much cheaper to produce then a beretta. Name problems the beretta has that normal maintenance would not fix? Magazines that would not feed, slides that cracked, slides that broke in half, and the ability to strip the slide from the frame in hand to hand.Now he will just claim that a new gun should be bought after 5000 rounds are fired and the old one thrown in the trash with the AKs. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:14:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:18:49 PM EDT
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Original factory mags and slides were crap yes. But newer generations are perfect. Original glocks blew up. And the slide removal thing has never happened in real combat. A lot of herp derp on the Internet and stories but not real credible proof. Other than sentimental attachment because you used to shoot one when you were n the army, I can't think of any reason why someone would choose the Beretta 92 as a defensive pistol. They are not cheap. They have a DA/SA trigger system designed by bureaucrats which has long been obsolete. They have a retarded safety located on the slide which is very difficult to manipulate. The grip is huge by any standard. They are not known for their reliability. The only possible advantage I can think of is that is has a weak extractor designed such that you can shoot it without a magazine by dropping rounds in the chamber one at a time. Almost any other pistol mentioned in this thread would be a better choice. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:18:52 PM EDT
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I like my M&P pro core with RMR. It's by far my favorite pistol to shoot. It's been 100% reliable with everything from cheap reloads to +p.
If I take a new shooter to the range it's always their favorite too. My dad is 60 and not a big gun fan but he always asks me to bring the pistol that fancy sight on it. The VP9 I shot was nice and I'd like to shoot a PPQ one day. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:20:43 PM EDT
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If you grabbed from the top it was very easy to separate the slide.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:22:44 PM EDT
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Glock 17/19.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:26:43 PM EDT
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Other than sentimental attachment because you used to shoot one when you were n the army, I can't think of any reason why someone would choose the Beretta 92 as a defensive pistol. They are not cheap. They have a DA/SA trigger system designed by bureaucrats which has long been obsolete. They have a retarded safety located on the slide which is very difficult to manipulate. The grip is huge by any standard. They are not known for their reliability. The only possible advantage I can think of is that is has a weak extractor designed such that you can shoot it without a magazine by dropping rounds in the chamber one at a time. Almost any other pistol mentioned in this thread would be a better choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Original factory mags and slides were crap yes. But newer generations are perfect. Original glocks blew up. And the slide removal thing has never happened in real combat. A lot of herp derp on the Internet and stories but not real credible proof. Other than sentimental attachment because you used to shoot one when you were n the army, I can't think of any reason why someone would choose the Beretta 92 as a defensive pistol. They are not cheap. They have a DA/SA trigger system designed by bureaucrats which has long been obsolete. They have a retarded safety located on the slide which is very difficult to manipulate. The grip is huge by any standard. They are not known for their reliability. The only possible advantage I can think of is that is has a weak extractor designed such that you can shoot it without a magazine by dropping rounds in the chamber one at a time. Almost any other pistol mentioned in this thread would be a better choice. One mans opinion. They fit my hand perfect. I grew up with 1911 style safety's and prefer the beretta's. I use decocker only. Double action first plus single after. Single action pull is better then any glock trigger. I trust my life to them and the lives of my family. I have shoot over 40,000 rounds out of beretta's. Here is my babies.  </a>Untitled by 1911xmd, on Flickr" />
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:29:41 PM EDT
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If you grabbed from the top it was very easy to separate the slide. The factory in MD was opened because of the other problems with the M9. I didn't mention the frames cracking because it wasn't a safety factor to the Army. Name of time it actually happened. This stupid movie does not count. Rigged from the start as the gun would not even fire in this state. 
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:33:37 PM EDT
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Since you don't favor Glocks...... FNH FNS-9 |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:34:21 PM EDT
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I would make myself like the Glock. But if you insist, then I think you'll like the VP9. I like mine a lot and it has never missed a beat yet. But I still prefer to carry a Glock over it though because the Glock feels like an old friend.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I mainly wanted to go striker-fired, and poly frames seem part and parcel. But, I'm also trying to a feel for the whole lighter gun/simpler parts paradigm that in now, and see how it compares to what I'm used too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you wanting to get away from metal frames, da/sa or both? Well, I mainly wanted to go striker-fired, and poly frames seem part and parcel. But, I'm also trying to a feel for the whole lighter gun/simpler parts paradigm that in now, and see how it compares to what I'm used too. Have you considered a CZ P-09? Good price, DA/SA so there is some familiarity to you and polymer that holds a lot of bullets (19). Might be a good middle road. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:38:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:38:17 PM EDT
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First post.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:43:47 PM EDT
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Sig 226/228
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